Burleson looked like a pig on ice skates last night

[sikeston bulldog2]

It is getting really difficult to watch him in the field. He covers no ground and takes terrible routes. His play cost several extra bases last night.
I know injuries sort of forced this, but brutal

Yes it was Burleson's fault that Grey's meatballs were getting hammered by the light hitting Brewers

That makes no sense. Because Gray (spelled with an A Shady not an E) was getting lit up means that Burleson should play a horrendous outfield?

+1 I guess its just in blow outs he plays defense in close games he plays all star caliber defense lol. Its a bad spot they need his bat in the line up with so many others struggling but he is awful on defense

Why not DH him with Herrera. Or trade him.

I support your strategy, Dog. Burly is an OK to OK+ MLB hitter with very little defensive value. I want more than that in our corner outfield spots. Walker's injury is shining a light on the Cards dearth of corner OF talent. Burly is a DH, Donovan is a 2B, Noot is a solid 4th OF. And all three are LH.

Just a thought. Would Walker in these last 11 games have made a defensive difference in any one of them. I say yes, several times, maybe just enough to win two more games.

That’s huge.

[ecleme22]

I’m not a fan of Burly’s defense at all, but there’s no one on this team I would rather have at the plate against a right handed pitcher with runners in scoring position.

His OPS with RISP in 2025: .684

[Adam2]

I’m not a fan of Burly’s defense at all, but there’s no one on this team I would rather have at the plate against a right handed pitcher with runners in scoring position.

I would agree with this. It just makes my brain hurt watching him in the field. When the ball is headed his direction i get the tight cheeks

[rockondlouie]

He has NO BUSINESS being the RF

He's a stumble bum out there w/one of the weakest arms I've ever seen from someone in RF.

The bat plays vs RHP, the fielder should never go past 1st base if WillyC needs a day off from the field.

[Cranny]

I’m not a fan of Burly’s defense at all, but there’s no one on this team I would rather have at the plate against a right handed pitcher with runners in scoring position.

His OPS with RISP in 2025: .684

Including against LHP?

[ecleme22]

I’m not a fan of Burly’s defense at all, but there’s no one on this team I would rather have at the plate against a right handed pitcher with runners in scoring position.

His OPS with RISP in 2025: .684

Including against LHP?

Yes, but he's barely played vs LHP this year.

[Monsieur De Treville]

It is getting really difficult to watch him in the field. He covers no ground and takes terrible routes. His play cost several extra bases last night.
I know injuries sort of forced this, but brutal

Not the biggest problem on this team, by any means.

What does that even mean?

He’s hitting .292. Wish all the starters were hitting in the .290s.

With all due respect, it's a weak .292.
He doesn't run well, so he isn't good at going first to third or second to home.
His .416 SLG% is mediocre at best.
Only 13 XBHs in 199 PA's is not good.
Only 20 RBI all season. On pace for less than 50 RBI on the season.

Yeah, .292 is great. But it's also weak. Last night he had a Burly special...a bloop hit that once again did no damage.
Now...should we talk about how bad an outfielder he is or how slow he is?

[Monsieur De Treville]

I’m not a fan of Burly’s defense at all, but there’s no one on this team I would rather have at the plate against a right handed pitcher with runners in scoring position.

Can you provide any quality data to back up your statement?

[craviduce]

I’m not a fan of Burly’s defense at all, but there’s no one on this team I would rather have at the plate against a right handed pitcher with runners in scoring position.

Burly batting .250, .684 with RISP this year.

work on that imagination, Cranny. He's not the worst on the team, but he's not the best.

vs. RHP, if there's no one on base, he hits better than most on the team. I think we should make him the lead off hitter.

[Monsieur De Treville]

I’m not a fan of Burly’s defense at all, but there’s no one on this team I would rather have at the plate against a right handed pitcher with runners in scoring position.

Burly batting .250, .684 with RISP this year.

work on that imagination, Cranny. He's not the worst on the team, but he's not the best.

vs. RHP, if there's no one on base, he hits better than most on the team. I think we should make him the lead off hitter.

And if we dive a little deeper.

His BAbip is .322 which is over 40 points higher than his career average. What happens when that number regresses to the mean?

[Shady]

It is getting really difficult to watch him in the field. He covers no ground and takes terrible routes. His play cost several extra bases last night.
I know injuries sort of forced this, but brutal

Yes it was Burleson's fault that Grey's meatballs were getting hammered by the light hitting Brewers

Jeesh...despite all the supporting data you've been shown and despite watching Burly turn singles into doubles and doubles into triples, you still defend him as an outfielder?

Here's a clue for you Shady...Burly can suck defensively AND a pitcher can suck. The two are most definitely NOT mutually exclusive!

You are lost, again. But, I'm sure you were impressed by Contreras' base running last night, though. Wouldn't that qualify as a "suck"?

[JDW]

Although some don't like WAR, especially when it doesn't fit their agenda, it's spot on with Burly this year.
He's also showing so far this year that going by BA is a poor hollow measure to use when looking at just hitting with a player.
AB's current batting line would be very good if he played defense well at a key position like SS, CF or C, but he doesn't/can't/never will.
In addition to being poor defensively in the OF, he also can clog the bases and is vulnerable to the gidp.
Imo he's highly over rated on here, and maybe to a lesser degree still over valued slightly by the league.
Good trade candidate before this year's deadline in my view, and he's lost about 1'/sec. in sprint speed since last year. He's pretty young to already be losing speed, or better said to already becoming even more slow.
Kinda funny, but Ricky commented the other day during a broadcast how Burly wasn't as slow as some people think. Wonder if he was referring to forums like this one, but yeah Ricky, it's a shame measured sprint speed metrics have a conspiracy against Burleson.
Fake sprint speed data Ricky, you'd be the perfect dupe to endorse that idea.

Really hope the Cards retain Contreras for the balance of his contract. He's already a good defensive 1B that has the consistent ability to post +.800 OPS's for a season.

[Cranny]

Although some don't like WAR, especially when it doesn't fit their agenda, it's spot on with Burly this year.
He's also showing so far this year that going by BA is a poor hollow measure to use when looking at just hitting with a player.
AB's current batting line would be very good if he played defense well at a key position like SS, CF or C, but he doesn't/can't/never will.
In addition to being poor defensively in the OF, he also can clog the bases and is vulnerable to the gidp.
Imo he's highly over rated on here, and maybe to a lesser degree still over valued slightly by the league.
Good trade candidate before this year's deadline in my view, and he's lost about 1'/sec. in sprint speed since last year. He's pretty young to already be losing speed, or better said to already becoming even more slow.
Kinda funny, but Ricky commented the other day during a broadcast how Burly wasn't as slow as some people think. Wonder if he was referring to forums like this one, but yeah Ricky, it's a shame measured sprint speed metrics have a conspiracy against Burleson.
Fake sprint speed data Ricky, you'd be the perfect dupe to endorse that idea.

Really hope the Cards retain Contreras for the balance of his contract. He's already a good defensive 1B that has the consistent ability to post +.800 OPS's for a season.

He has a .782 OPS against RHP. That plays.

[ecleme22]

Although some don't like WAR, especially when it doesn't fit their agenda, it's spot on with Burly this year.
He's also showing so far this year that going by BA is a poor hollow measure to use when looking at just hitting with a player.
AB's current batting line would be very good if he played defense well at a key position like SS, CF or C, but he doesn't/can't/never will.
In addition to being poor defensively in the OF, he also can clog the bases and is vulnerable to the gidp.
Imo he's highly over rated on here, and maybe to a lesser degree still over valued slightly by the league.
Good trade candidate before this year's deadline in my view, and he's lost about 1'/sec. in sprint speed since last year. He's pretty young to already be losing speed, or better said to already becoming even more slow.
Kinda funny, but Ricky commented the other day during a broadcast how Burly wasn't as slow as some people think. Wonder if he was referring to forums like this one, but yeah Ricky, it's a shame measured sprint speed metrics have a conspiracy against Burleson.
Fake sprint speed data Ricky, you'd be the perfect dupe to endorse that idea.

Really hope the Cards retain Contreras for the balance of his contract. He's already a good defensive 1B that has the consistent ability to post +.800 OPS's for a season.

He has a .782 OPS against RHP. That plays.

For someone who is slow and plays spotty defense, a .782 OPS 'plays,' but it doesn't necessarily play everyday.

[Cranny]

Although some don't like WAR, especially when it doesn't fit their agenda, it's spot on with Burly this year.
He's also showing so far this year that going by BA is a poor hollow measure to use when looking at just hitting with a player.
AB's current batting line would be very good if he played defense well at a key position like SS, CF or C, but he doesn't/can't/never will.
In addition to being poor defensively in the OF, he also can clog the bases and is vulnerable to the gidp.
Imo he's highly over rated on here, and maybe to a lesser degree still over valued slightly by the league.
Good trade candidate before this year's deadline in my view, and he's lost about 1'/sec. in sprint speed since last year. He's pretty young to already be losing speed, or better said to already becoming even more slow.
Kinda funny, but Ricky commented the other day during a broadcast how Burly wasn't as slow as some people think. Wonder if he was referring to forums like this one, but yeah Ricky, it's a shame measured sprint speed metrics have a conspiracy against Burleson.
Fake sprint speed data Ricky, you'd be the perfect dupe to endorse that idea.

Really hope the Cards retain Contreras for the balance of his contract. He's already a good defensive 1B that has the consistent ability to post +.800 OPS's for a season.

He has a .782 OPS against RHP. That plays.

For someone who is slow and plays spotty defense, a .782 OPS 'plays,' but it doesn't necessarily play everyday.

Agree. He’s a platoon type player.

[ecleme22]

Although some don't like WAR, especially when it doesn't fit their agenda, it's spot on with Burly this year.
He's also showing so far this year that going by BA is a poor hollow measure to use when looking at just hitting with a player.
AB's current batting line would be very good if he played defense well at a key position like SS, CF or C, but he doesn't/can't/never will.
In addition to being poor defensively in the OF, he also can clog the bases and is vulnerable to the gidp.
Imo he's highly over rated on here, and maybe to a lesser degree still over valued slightly by the league.
Good trade candidate before this year's deadline in my view, and he's lost about 1'/sec. in sprint speed since last year. He's pretty young to already be losing speed, or better said to already becoming even more slow.
Kinda funny, but Ricky commented the other day during a broadcast how Burly wasn't as slow as some people think. Wonder if he was referring to forums like this one, but yeah Ricky, it's a shame measured sprint speed metrics have a conspiracy against Burleson.
Fake sprint speed data Ricky, you'd be the perfect dupe to endorse that idea.

Really hope the Cards retain Contreras for the balance of his contract. He's already a good defensive 1B that has the consistent ability to post +.800 OPS's for a season.

He has a .782 OPS against RHP. That plays.

For someone who is slow and plays spotty defense, a .782 OPS 'plays,' but it doesn't necessarily play everyday.

Agree. He’s a platoon type player.

Yes, but not a straight platoon.