Schenn

[BluesDom]

Stat guru's: how many second line centers have better numbers than our captain? Can somebody pick some or all the #2 centers in the league and see where Schenn shakes out:
I did a spreadsheet and figured the following. Here is the data:
Career average: 20 1/2 goals per season; Averages 51 pts per year.
His last season was just slightly off his career average. So for arguments sake--how many second line center average 20 goals and 50+ points per year?
The guy brings good playoff numbers for the most part; He brings a well-rounded game and lots of hits--
I feel like he will score 20 and put up 51 points next year again--Is this enough for us to be happy with him as our#2 center? He isn't aging like we insinuate. His numbers are still good. His effort is clearly there. Why do we need to trade for or overpay a #2 center when we have one for at least this year.

He may dip below his mean#'s after next season as he hits 35.
Dvorsky will be fine on or 3rd line imo. or look at a vet for 1 year.

https://puckpedia.com/depth-charts
One example of a comp: Quinton Byfield
I know Byfield is younger--but honestly I'm only looking at next year. Both NHL players. Age is just a number.
Byfield may score 22 and put up 54 points based on his last two years. Help me find the numbers to back up the argument for Schenn as center#2 for one more year.

I may be wrong: Wyatt Johnson, Nico Hishier are better.

[STL fan in MN]

You’re correct in that not a ton of teams have a 2C scoring 50 pts/year. Quite a few have a 3C hitting more than 20 pts/year though.

So IMO, 3C is truly where we need to upgrade. Love Sunny but he’s not able to fill that role anymore.

A rich man’s solution would be to bring in a 2C and push Schenn to 3C.

A more reasonable man’s solution would be to bring in a 3C to push Sunny down the lineup.

A poor man’s solution would be to do nothing and hope Sunny can do better or hope Dvorsky can be ready sooner.

I think we’re hoping for the rich man’s solution but I’d be fine with the middle option. It’s more reasonable.

[Harry York 37]

You’re correct in that not a ton of teams have a 2C scoring 50 pts/year. Quite a few have a 3C hitting more than 20 pts/year though.

So IMO, 3C is truly where we need to upgrade. Love Sunny but he’s not able to fill that role anymore.

A rich man’s solution would be to bring in a 2C and push Schenn to 3C.

A more reasonable man’s solution would be to bring in a 3C to push Sunny down the lineup.

A poor man’s solution would be to do nothing and hope Sunny can do better or hope Dvorsky can be ready sooner.

I think we’re hoping for the rich man’s solution but I’d be fine with the middle option. It’s more reasonable.

The Bozak Experience. Having strength deep down the middle is good. Very good.

[BluesDom]

Brock Nelson and Anthony Cirelli are similar--slight upgrades.

Sam Bennett very similar to Schenn but younger.(age smage)

NJ-Zacha--Schenn slightly better than.

Marco Kasper detroit--edge to Schenn.

Marco Rossi 60 point guy 24 goals--hes again what we hope Dalibor will become.

Lots of teams im finding have low end 2nd centers. Then there is Edmonton who has Draisatl-
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Rangers have Trochek-- upgrade over Schenn. Similar intangibles. 59 pts last year 77 the year before. 64 in 23.

[callitwhatyouwant]

You’re correct in that not a ton of teams have a 2C scoring 50 pts/year. Quite a few have a 3C hitting more than 20 pts/year though.

So IMO, 3C is truly where we need to upgrade. Love Sunny but he’s not able to fill that role anymore.

A rich man’s solution would be to bring in a 2C and push Schenn to 3C.

A more reasonable man’s solution would be to bring in a 3C to push Sunny down the lineup.

A poor man’s solution would be to do nothing and hope Sunny can do better or hope Dvorsky can be ready sooner.

I think we’re hoping for the rich man’s solution but I’d be fine with the middle option. It’s more reasonable.

If the rumors are true where the Blues are one of 5 teams that are apparently willing to throw some dough at Sam Bennett, I think that pushes SunnyD down to the 4th line and Faksa would be a goner. I personally would still like to see us find to make a trade for a center whether that is a 3C or 2C that has a little time left that allows us to be more nimble in 2-3 years. Let Dvorsky come up and play on the wing and let Sunny play out his contract. The dream scenario is being able to get SunnyD into a rotation where he is playing like 55-60 games, Walker is playing 55-60 games and Faksa stays 4th line and plays 65-70 games. If you can find a way to get more gas in the tank for Sunny and we can make a playoff run, he will be way more valuable.

As monty said, Sunny is always in the right spot. He has some of the highest hockey IQ he has coached. You don't want to yank those guys around, but he's a 4th liner thru and thru. But Faksa crushed him on the dot this year. So if we lose Faksa, someone has to compete there and fill that role.

[STL fan in MN]

You’re correct in that not a ton of teams have a 2C scoring 50 pts/year. Quite a few have a 3C hitting more than 20 pts/year though.

So IMO, 3C is truly where we need to upgrade. Love Sunny but he’s not able to fill that role anymore.

A rich man’s solution would be to bring in a 2C and push Schenn to 3C.

A more reasonable man’s solution would be to bring in a 3C to push Sunny down the lineup.

A poor man’s solution would be to do nothing and hope Sunny can do better or hope Dvorsky can be ready sooner.

I think we’re hoping for the rich man’s solution but I’d be fine with the middle option. It’s more reasonable.

If the rumors are true where the Blues are one of 5 teams that are apparently willing to throw some dough at Sam Bennett, I think that pushes SunnyD down to the 4th line and Faksa would be a goner. I personally would still like to see us find to make a trade for a center whether that is a 3C or 2C that has a little time left that allows us to be more nimble in 2-3 years. Let Dvorsky come up and play on the wing and let Sunny play out his contract. The dream scenario is being able to get SunnyD into a rotation where he is playing like 55-60 games, Walker is playing 55-60 games and Faksa stays 4th line and plays 65-70 games. If you can find a way to get more gas in the tank for Sunny and we can make a playoff run, he will be way more valuable.

As monty said, Sunny is always in the right spot. He has some of the highest hockey IQ he has coached. You don't want to yank those guys around, but he's a 4th liner thru and thru. But Faksa crushed him on the dot this year. So if we lose Faksa, someone has to compete there and fill that role.

Where are you seeing that the Blues are one of 5 teams willing to throw a lot of money at Bennett?

[callitwhatyouwant]

You’re correct in that not a ton of teams have a 2C scoring 50 pts/year. Quite a few have a 3C hitting more than 20 pts/year though.

So IMO, 3C is truly where we need to upgrade. Love Sunny but he’s not able to fill that role anymore.

A rich man’s solution would be to bring in a 2C and push Schenn to 3C.

A more reasonable man’s solution would be to bring in a 3C to push Sunny down the lineup.

A poor man’s solution would be to do nothing and hope Sunny can do better or hope Dvorsky can be ready sooner.

I think we’re hoping for the rich man’s solution but I’d be fine with the middle option. It’s more reasonable.

If the rumors are true where the Blues are one of 5 teams that are apparently willing to throw some dough at Sam Bennett, I think that pushes SunnyD down to the 4th line and Faksa would be a goner. I personally would still like to see us find to make a trade for a center whether that is a 3C or 2C that has a little time left that allows us to be more nimble in 2-3 years. Let Dvorsky come up and play on the wing and let Sunny play out his contract. The dream scenario is being able to get SunnyD into a rotation where he is playing like 55-60 games, Walker is playing 55-60 games and Faksa stays 4th line and plays 65-70 games. If you can find a way to get more gas in the tank for Sunny and we can make a playoff run, he will be way more valuable.

As monty said, Sunny is always in the right spot. He has some of the highest hockey IQ he has coached. You don't want to yank those guys around, but he's a 4th liner thru and thru. But Faksa crushed him on the dot this year. So if we lose Faksa, someone has to compete there and fill that role.

Where are you seeing that the Blues are one of 5 teams willing to throw a lot of money at Bennett?

It might have just been noise from Biz but it was on the latest chiklits pod. They were recapping the first 3 games and then talking about how Bennett should be paid because of his playoff production but teams always want to pay off of regular season money. They were saying that Biz heard there were 5 places that were willing to go to that 10m number and he listed them and Blues were one of them. He might have just been relaying stuff he heard where teams have the money and position need but he did say it. I don't see the Blues paying him more than Thomas because he's not a better player than Thomas. Even tho the market is different, he's not worth 10. He's worth 7-8 and someone is going to overpay. Hopefully it's not us. If it is us, we have 2 schenns on the same team and teams will probably hate us for it.

[dhsux]

You’re correct in that not a ton of teams have a 2C scoring 50 pts/year. Quite a few have a 3C hitting more than 20 pts/year though.

So IMO, 3C is truly where we need to upgrade. Love Sunny but he’s not able to fill that role anymore.

A rich man’s solution would be to bring in a 2C and push Schenn to 3C.

A more reasonable man’s solution would be to bring in a 3C to push Sunny down the lineup.

A poor man’s solution would be to do nothing and hope Sunny can do better or hope Dvorsky can be ready sooner.

I think we’re hoping for the rich man’s solution but I’d be fine with the middle option. It’s more reasonable.

I'm not sure I'm for the rich mans solution (without seeing what Blues give up) but nevertheless.....well said.

[bluetunehead]

You’re correct in that not a ton of teams have a 2C scoring 50 pts/year. Quite a few have a 3C hitting more than 20 pts/year though.

So IMO, 3C is truly where we need to upgrade. Love Sunny but he’s not able to fill that role anymore.

A rich man’s solution would be to bring in a 2C and push Schenn to 3C.

A more reasonable man’s solution would be to bring in a 3C to push Sunny down the lineup.

A poor man’s solution would be to do nothing and hope Sunny can do better or hope Dvorsky can be ready sooner.

I think we’re hoping for the rich man’s solution but I’d be fine with the middle option. It’s more reasonable.

If the rumors are true where the Blues are one of 5 teams that are apparently willing to throw some dough at Sam Bennett, I think that pushes SunnyD down to the 4th line and Faksa would be a goner. I personally would still like to see us find to make a trade for a center whether that is a 3C or 2C that has a little time left that allows us to be more nimble in 2-3 years. Let Dvorsky come up and play on the wing and let Sunny play out his contract. The dream scenario is being able to get SunnyD into a rotation where he is playing like 55-60 games, Walker is playing 55-60 games and Faksa stays 4th line and plays 65-70 games. If you can find a way to get more gas in the tank for Sunny and we can make a playoff run, he will be way more valuable.

As monty said, Sunny is always in the right spot. He has some of the highest hockey IQ he has coached. You don't want to yank those guys around, but he's a 4th liner thru and thru. But Faksa crushed him on the dot this year. So if we lose Faksa, someone has to compete there and fill that role.

Where are you seeing that the Blues are one of 5 teams willing to throw a lot of money at Bennett?

It might have just been noise from Biz but it was on the latest chiklits pod. They were recapping the first 3 games and then talking about how Bennett should be paid because of his playoff production but teams always want to pay off of regular season money. They were saying that Biz heard there were 5 places that were willing to go to that 10m number and he listed them and Blues were one of them. He might have just been relaying stuff he heard where teams have the money and position need but he did say it. I don't see the Blues paying him more than Thomas because he's not a better player than Thomas. Even tho the market is different, he's not worth 10. He's worth 7-8 and someone is going to overpay. Hopefully it's not us. If it is us, we have 2 schenns on the same team and teams will probably hate us for it.

I’d be shocked if the Blues offered up that kind of money for Bennett. It would also require a cap dump of some kind, even with the Krug LTIR space.

[STL fan in MN]

You’re correct in that not a ton of teams have a 2C scoring 50 pts/year. Quite a few have a 3C hitting more than 20 pts/year though.

So IMO, 3C is truly where we need to upgrade. Love Sunny but he’s not able to fill that role anymore.

A rich man’s solution would be to bring in a 2C and push Schenn to 3C.

A more reasonable man’s solution would be to bring in a 3C to push Sunny down the lineup.

A poor man’s solution would be to do nothing and hope Sunny can do better or hope Dvorsky can be ready sooner.

I think we’re hoping for the rich man’s solution but I’d be fine with the middle option. It’s more reasonable.

If the rumors are true where the Blues are one of 5 teams that are apparently willing to throw some dough at Sam Bennett, I think that pushes SunnyD down to the 4th line and Faksa would be a goner. I personally would still like to see us find to make a trade for a center whether that is a 3C or 2C that has a little time left that allows us to be more nimble in 2-3 years. Let Dvorsky come up and play on the wing and let Sunny play out his contract. The dream scenario is being able to get SunnyD into a rotation where he is playing like 55-60 games, Walker is playing 55-60 games and Faksa stays 4th line and plays 65-70 games. If you can find a way to get more gas in the tank for Sunny and we can make a playoff run, he will be way more valuable.

As monty said, Sunny is always in the right spot. He has some of the highest hockey IQ he has coached. You don't want to yank those guys around, but he's a 4th liner thru and thru. But Faksa crushed him on the dot this year. So if we lose Faksa, someone has to compete there and fill that role.

Where are you seeing that the Blues are one of 5 teams willing to throw a lot of money at Bennett?

It might have just been noise from Biz but it was on the latest chiklits pod. They were recapping the first 3 games and then talking about how Bennett should be paid because of his playoff production but teams always want to pay off of regular season money. They were saying that Biz heard there were 5 places that were willing to go to that 10m number and he listed them and Blues were one of them. He might have just been relaying stuff he heard where teams have the money and position need but he did say it. I don't see the Blues paying him more than Thomas because he's not a better player than Thomas. Even tho the market is different, he's not worth 10. He's worth 7-8 and someone is going to overpay. Hopefully it's not us. If it is us, we have 2 schenns on the same team and teams will probably hate us for it.

I don’t recall seeing that from Biz but I don’t take anything he says seriously anyway.

I just don’t see the Blues being willing to commit $10M to Bennett. No way they can justify paying the guy more than Thomas. And he’s just not worth that anyway. And the Blues can’t really even afford to pay him that. I doubt any team pays him that much in fact. Even if he wins the Conn Smythe.

[WilliamWestcliffe]

I think you need to mostly ignore the goal totals if you’re looking for a 2C fit for this team.

The blues 2C should be:

1) great at faceoffs
2) an elite distributor
3) above average speed and quickness
4) 200ft player

Goals from that slot are a bonus but I’d rather have the assists, faceoffs and speed from a guy I’m going to slide between Kyrou and Holloway.

[a smell of green grass]

I think you need to mostly ignore the goal totals if you’re looking for a 2C fit for this team.

The blues 2C should be:

1) great at faceoffs
2) an elite distributor
3) above average speed and quickness
4) 200ft player

Goals from that slot are a bonus but I’d rather have the assists, faceoffs and speed from a guy I’m going to slide between Kyrou and Holloway.

I'm curious. Do you think that Thomas matches your 2C description?

[BluesDom]

I think you need to mostly ignore the goal totals if you’re looking for a 2C fit for this team.

The blues 2C should be:

1) great at faceoffs
2) an elite distributor
3) above average speed and quickness
4) 200ft player

Goals from that slot are a bonus but I’d rather have the assists, faceoffs and speed from a guy I’m going to slide between Kyrou and Holloway.

I'm curious. Do you think that Thomas matches your 2C description?

No. He has top center numbers. Seconds line centers are mid 50s more or less Quite A few exceptions.Draisaitl

[skilles]

Well I think when you look at our roster we have far better 3rd line wingers than even the top teams but they have a better top line. To make that work we could for sure use two #2 centers and for sure have the wingers to accommodate it and it is much easier than matching their top lines.

[DawgDad]

Well I think when you look at our roster we have far better 3rd line wingers than even the top teams but they have a better top line. To make that work we could for sure use two #2 centers and for sure have the wingers to accommodate it and it is much easier than matching their top lines.

And it should become an even more pronounced advantage.