Respect for Mozeliak

[Cranny]

The “knee jerk”, “what have you done for me lately” crowd is all over this thread. They turn their back on the fact that the Cards have had only two losing seasons this century, and have won 90 or more games in 3 out of the last 5 full seasons. And in two of those three 90 or more win seasons won the Central.

[Adam2]

The “knee jerk”, “what have you done for me lately” crowd is all over this thread. They turn their back on the fact that the Cards have had only two losing seasons this century, and have won 90 or more games in 3 out of the last 5 full seasons. And in two of those three 90 or more win seasons won the Central.

This is an anonymous internet forum, it is made for knee jerkers

[WLTFE]

Mo is rather pompous and underperforming for last 10 years

+1,000,000

he has a really nice family

That's what I've been told!

We'll be hearing from the front office (donkey) kissers very soon..they can't help themselves!

[Cranny]

The “knee jerk”, “what have you done for me lately” crowd is all over this thread. They turn their back on the fact that the Cards have had only two losing seasons this century, and have won 90 or more games in 3 out of the last 5 full seasons. And in two of those three 90 or more win seasons won the Central.

This is an anonymous internet forum, it is made for knee jerkers

LOL. Good point.

[2ninr]

The “knee jerk”, “what have you done for me lately” crowd is all over this thread. They turn their back on the fact that the Cards have had only two losing seasons this century, and have won 90 or more games in 3 out of the last 5 full seasons. And in two of those three 90 or more win seasons won the Central.

You are right about his regular season record. How about his playoff record the last 10 years? I always maintained you could do a lot worse than Mo. But his ego and arrogance grew and he decided he didn't need guys like LaRussa telling him what to do about player personnel. And apparently that was probably the case with Mike Schildt. And we haven't seen playoff success since. Now we can do a lot better. JFTR I don't put it all on Mo. DeWitt has a role in it as well. Either way, look at the present attendance. That's not going to change without some playoff success.

[Talkin' Baseball]

The “knee jerk”, “what have you done for me lately” crowd is all over this thread. They turn their back on the fact that the Cards have had only two losing seasons this century, and have won 90 or more games in 3 out of the last 5 full seasons. And in two of those three 90 or more win seasons won the Central.

Cranny have you ever seen "This Is Spinal Tap"? We've seen a downward spiral for at least 10 years. Not good at his job for 10 years. 10 years he has been bad at his job. The point of this thread, and the question is- which would you respect more as Mozeliak leaves- a playoff birth, or a better (I'm suggesting top 5) farm system. For those of you out there who feel like he has done a good, to great, job- the question will be very confusing and hard to respond to. Hence the responses.

[Cranny]

The “knee jerk”, “what have you done for me lately” crowd is all over this thread. They turn their back on the fact that the Cards have had only two losing seasons this century, and have won 90 or more games in 3 out of the last 5 full seasons. And in two of those three 90 or more win seasons won the Central.

You are right about his regular season record. How about his playoff record the last 10 years? I always maintained you could do a lot worse than Mo. But his ego and arrogance grew and he decided he didn't need guys like LaRussa telling him what to do about player personnel. And apparently that was probably the case with Mike Schildt. And we haven't seen playoff success since. Now we can do a lot better. JFTR I don't put it all on Mo. DeWitt has a role in it as well. Either way, look at the present attendance. That's not going to change without some playoff success.

You put a team on the field that wins 90 or more games over 6 months, and then the playoffs start. It's up to the players to win playoff games, just like they performed in the regular season.

[Futuregm2]

The “knee jerk”, “what have you done for me lately” crowd is all over this thread. They turn their back on the fact that the Cards have had only two losing seasons this century, and have won 90 or more games in 3 out of the last 5 full seasons. And in two of those three 90 or more win seasons won the Central.

You are right about his regular season record. How about his playoff record the last 10 years? I always maintained you could do a lot worse than Mo. But his ego and arrogance grew and he decided he didn't need guys like LaRussa telling him what to do about player personnel. And apparently that was probably the case with Mike Schildt. And we haven't seen playoff success since. Now we can do a lot better. JFTR I don't put it all on Mo. DeWitt has a role in it as well. Either way, look at the present attendance. That's not going to change without some playoff success.

You put a team on the field that wins 90 or more games over 6 months, and then the playoffs start. It's up to the players to win playoff games, just like they performed in the regular season.

And managers impact that, too. Oli isn’t a good manager, Shildt wasn’t a good manager. We saw that with the recent poll where both of them were 2 of the top 3 in votes getting for who you wouldn’t want as a manager. And both were hired by Mo.

[rockondlouie]

And managers impact that, too. Oli isn’t a good manager, Shildt wasn’t a good manager. We saw that with the recent poll where both of them were 2 of the top 3 in votes getting for who you wouldn’t want as a manager. And both were hired by Mo.

BINGO!

[NYCardsFan]

“We don’t pay for past performance.”

“You know, some places winning is just a winning record or even .500 is acceptable. Players have a nice season, go home and get back to their families and so forth but not in this city. Not with this franchise. Not with this history and not with our great fans."

—Bill DeWitt, Jr., member of the “knee jerk,” “what have you done for me lately” crowd.

[Cranny]

And managers impact that, too. Oli isn’t a good manager, Shildt wasn’t a good manager. We saw that with the recent poll where both of them were 2 of the top 3 in votes getting for who you wouldn’t want as a manager. And both were hired by Mo.

BINGO!

Shildt wasn't a good manager? LOL. Didn't he have some sort of a long winning streak? Like one of the longest in
Cardinal history? And by the way, how's he doing with the Padres right now?

[WLTFE]

“We don’t pay for past performance.”

“You know, some places winning is just a winning record or even .500 is acceptable. Players have a nice season, go home and get back to their families and so forth but not in this city. Not with this franchise. Not with this history and not with our great fans."

—Bill DeWitt, Jr., member of the “knee jerk,” “what have you done for me lately” crowd.

+1...DeTwit and Mo-ran...members of the "knee jerk" crowd and supported by a few ",jerk-offs" on CT.

[Talkin' Baseball]

And managers impact that, too. Oli isn’t a good manager, Shildt wasn’t a good manager. We saw that with the recent poll where both of them were 2 of the top 3 in votes getting for who you wouldn’t want as a manager. And both were hired by Mo.

BINGO!

Shildt wasn't a good manager? LOL. Didn't he have some sort of a long winning streak? Like one of the longest in
Cardinal history? And by the way, how's he doing with the Padres right now?

You've left the thread. The thread was started to see if making the playoffs, or setting the farm system up really well would change in any way the way you view John Mozeliak's legacy. I don't want to put words in your mouth, but it seems like for you the answer is no. It seems like your mind is firmly made up about how you view Mozeliak and what he has done. It's okay to feel that way, You aren't the only one who thinks he has done well. I'm wondering if there are others who could still adjust their view, even if only incrementally. If I have unfairly characterized your thoughts on the subject, feel free to fix that. If you have views on other topics start another thread. I always enjoy reading your comments on baseball topics.

[rockondlouie]

And managers impact that, too. Oli isn’t a good manager, Shildt wasn’t a good manager. We saw that with the recent poll where both of them were 2 of the top 3 in votes getting for who you wouldn’t want as a manager. And both were hired by Mo.

BINGO!

Shildt wasn't a good manager? LOL. Didn't he have some sort of a long winning streak? Like one of the longest in
Cardinal history? And by the way, how's he doing with the Padres right now?

Nope

You confuse having great players (re: D. Roberts/Dodgers) w/being a good manager.

Shildt had many flaws, just compared to Oli he looks like the second coming of TLR which he certainly was not.

[Rojo Johnson]

The “knee jerk”, “what have you done for me lately” crowd is all over this thread. They turn their back on the fact that the Cards have had only two losing seasons this century, and have won 90 or more games in 3 out of the last 5 full seasons. And in two of those three 90 or more win seasons won the Central.

We’re spoiled. Deal with it, just like we have to deal all the bootlicking from some on here. Even those making up garbage about supporting the players when you/they really mean to put money in your favorite guy’s pockets. That was about as see thru as it comes. And you know it.

[Cranny]

The “knee jerk”, “what have you done for me lately” crowd is all over this thread. They turn their back on the fact that the Cards have had only two losing seasons this century, and have won 90 or more games in 3 out of the last 5 full seasons. And in two of those three 90 or more win seasons won the Central.

We’re spoiled. Deal with it, just like we have to deal all the bootlicking from some on here. Even those making up garbage about supporting the players when you/they really mean to put money in your favorite guy’s pockets. That was about as see thru as it comes. And you know it.

Rojo - Why don't you read some of the quotes from the players about how important support is from the hometown crowd.