60 games in. No longer a small sample.

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Re: 60 games in. No longer a small sample.

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sikeston bulldog2 wrote: 12 Jun 2025 06:40 am Any more assessments.
Reality. Rears it's head
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Re: 60 games in. No longer a small sample.

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scoutyjones2 wrote: 12 Jun 2025 07:04 am
sikeston bulldog2 wrote: 12 Jun 2025 06:40 am Any more assessments.
Reality. Rears it's head
Man you’re up early. I hope it’s not reality. I hope it’s just the kids tiring a bit. The holes in the lineup are becoming clearer.
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Re: 60 games in. No longer a small sample.

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My quick math says on pace to win 91.5 games. For comparison in LaRussa's first 5 seasons in St Louis the Cards only won 90 games once. In his last 5 seasons in Oakland the A's only won 90 games once.

1/3 of the way into the season this is a pretty good ballclub. Lots of baseball left.
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Re: 60 games in. No longer a small sample.

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ScotchMIrish wrote: 12 Jun 2025 07:26 am My quick math says on pace to win 91.5 games. For comparison in LaRussa's first 5 seasons in St Louis the Cards only won 90 games once. In his last 5 seasons in Oakland the A's only won 90 games once.

1/3 of the way into the season this is a pretty good ballclub. Lots of baseball left.
Nope. Not in the playoffs if they end today. This is a middling team with maybe 2 starters that will post an 800 OPS. A weak bully, nothing of significance to bring up from the minors to enhance any of it
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Re: 60 games in. No longer a small sample.

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sikeston bulldog2 wrote: 05 Jun 2025 10:05 am Good morning.

No longer a small sample size. 3/8 in, 38ish percent. And Scouty said no assessment could happen till 60 games in. Here we are.

Pitching- solid rotation. About 3-4 runs per game.
Defense- one of leagues best.
Offense. Middle of road. Can’t carry pitching. Not without Walker and Herrera.
Pen. Need 7/8 inning guy other than Matz. For competition purposes only.

Great position based on a perceived reset. Allows us to watch the young development and see winning baseball.

I look at the standings. We are a top 15 team in baseball. At this stage of reset. In a year or two, I see a power.

The alternative is a reset with losing baseball. I’ll take the former.

Enjoy.
Very fair assessment.
Key takeaways at this point.
Starting staff is showing signs of wear and tear - which reflects a couple of highly questionable decisions made by Super Slo Mo and The Marmot when spring training ended.
Starting to pay the price for that.
Outfield is the disaster I warned about - and again, it could have been much better if the M&M Boys had made smarter decisions about who played and where.
Bench, other than Pozo, is non-existent. STL either has guys sitting who should be starting - or starting who should be sitting. There are not any truly identified bench players.
Contreras move to 1B was smart, Donovan is the star I alone first predicted, Winn is the answer at SS, Pages seized the catcher job as I said he would, Herrera's bat is his only ticket to playing time, Scott has potential, Gorman and Walker will be fine provided they are left alone and get a lot of playing time.
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Re: 60 games in. No longer a small sample.

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Melville wrote: 12 Jun 2025 07:49 am
sikeston bulldog2 wrote: 05 Jun 2025 10:05 am Good morning.

No longer a small sample size. 3/8 in, 38ish percent. And Scouty said no assessment could happen till 60 games in. Here we are.

Pitching- solid rotation. About 3-4 runs per game.
Defense- one of leagues best.
Offense. Middle of road. Can’t carry pitching. Not without Walker and Herrera.
Pen. Need 7/8 inning guy other than Matz. For competition purposes only.

Great position based on a perceived reset. Allows us to watch the young development and see winning baseball.

I look at the standings. We are a top 15 team in baseball. At this stage of reset. In a year or two, I see a power.

The alternative is a reset with losing baseball. I’ll take the former.

Enjoy.
Very fair assessment.
Key takeaways at this point.
Starting staff is showing signs of wear and tear - which reflects a couple of highly questionable decisions made by Super Slo Mo and The Marmot when spring training ended.
Starting to pay the price for that.
Outfield is the disaster I warned about - and again, it could have been much better if the M&M Boys had made smarter decisions about who played and where.
Bench, other than Pozo, is non-existent. STL either has guys sitting who should be starting - or starting who should be sitting. There are not any truly identified bench players.
Contreras move to 1B was smart, Donovan is the star I alone first predicted, Winn is the answer at SS, Pages seized the catcher job as I said he would, Herrera's bat is his only ticket to playing time, Scott has potential, Gorman and Walker will be fine provided they are left alone and get a lot of playing time.
Nice. The pen. You missed the pen.
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Re: 60 games in. No longer a small sample.

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sikeston bulldog2 wrote: 12 Jun 2025 07:51 am
Melville wrote: 12 Jun 2025 07:49 am
sikeston bulldog2 wrote: 05 Jun 2025 10:05 am Good morning.

No longer a small sample size. 3/8 in, 38ish percent. And Scouty said no assessment could happen till 60 games in. Here we are.

Pitching- solid rotation. About 3-4 runs per game.
Defense- one of leagues best.
Offense. Middle of road. Can’t carry pitching. Not without Walker and Herrera.
Pen. Need 7/8 inning guy other than Matz. For competition purposes only.

Great position based on a perceived reset. Allows us to watch the young development and see winning baseball.

I look at the standings. We are a top 15 team in baseball. At this stage of reset. In a year or two, I see a power.

The alternative is a reset with losing baseball. I’ll take the former.

Enjoy.
Very fair assessment.
Key takeaways at this point.
Starting staff is showing signs of wear and tear - which reflects a couple of highly questionable decisions made by Super Slo Mo and The Marmot when spring training ended.
Starting to pay the price for that.
Outfield is the disaster I warned about - and again, it could have been much better if the M&M Boys had made smarter decisions about who played and where.
Bench, other than Pozo, is non-existent. STL either has guys sitting who should be starting - or starting who should be sitting. There are not any truly identified bench players.
Contreras move to 1B was smart, Donovan is the star I alone first predicted, Winn is the answer at SS, Pages seized the catcher job as I said he would, Herrera's bat is his only ticket to playing time, Scott has potential, Gorman and Walker will be fine provided they are left alone and get a lot of playing time.
Nice. The pen. You missed the pen.
Fair enough.
The pen has been adequate.
Helsley, Maton, Romero, and Matz - along with a bunch of nondescript pieces being jig-sawed from day to day.
A picture very similar to most teams.
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Re: 60 games in. No longer a small sample.

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Melville wrote: 12 Jun 2025 08:07 am
sikeston bulldog2 wrote: 12 Jun 2025 07:51 am
Melville wrote: 12 Jun 2025 07:49 am
sikeston bulldog2 wrote: 05 Jun 2025 10:05 am Good morning.

No longer a small sample size. 3/8 in, 38ish percent. And Scouty said no assessment could happen till 60 games in. Here we are.

Pitching- solid rotation. About 3-4 runs per game.
Defense- one of leagues best.
Offense. Middle of road. Can’t carry pitching. Not without Walker and Herrera.
Pen. Need 7/8 inning guy other than Matz. For competition purposes only.

Great position based on a perceived reset. Allows us to watch the young development and see winning baseball.

I look at the standings. We are a top 15 team in baseball. At this stage of reset. In a year or two, I see a power.

The alternative is a reset with losing baseball. I’ll take the former.

Enjoy.
Very fair assessment.
Key takeaways at this point.
Starting staff is showing signs of wear and tear - which reflects a couple of highly questionable decisions made by Super Slo Mo and The Marmot when spring training ended.
Starting to pay the price for that.
Outfield is the disaster I warned about - and again, it could have been much better if the M&M Boys had made smarter decisions about who played and where.
Bench, other than Pozo, is non-existent. STL either has guys sitting who should be starting - or starting who should be sitting. There are not any truly identified bench players.
Contreras move to 1B was smart, Donovan is the star I alone first predicted, Winn is the answer at SS, Pages seized the catcher job as I said he would, Herrera's bat is his only ticket to playing time, Scott has potential, Gorman and Walker will be fine provided they are left alone and get a lot of playing time.
Nice. The pen. You missed the pen.
Fair enough.
The pen has been adequate.
Helsley, Maton, Romero, and Matz - along with a bunch of nondescript pieces being jig-sawed from day to day.
A picture very similar to most teams.
I’d think the pen to have the biggest leaks. Of all facets of the team. I like their fight back ability.

One serious issue I note. With noot K to start game, we don’t score much early, thus putting us at the disadvantage of playing from behind often.

That alone is a stressor our staff don’t need.
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Re: 60 games in. No longer a small sample.

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Melville wrote: 12 Jun 2025 08:07 am Fair enough.
The pen has been adequate.
Helsley, Maton, Romero, and Matz - along with a bunch of nondescript pieces being jig-sawed from day to day.
A picture very similar to most teams.
Carlos Estevez would’ve fit in well with that bunch.
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Re: 60 games in. No longer a small sample.

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sikeston bulldog2 wrote: 12 Jun 2025 08:10 am
Melville wrote: 12 Jun 2025 08:07 am
sikeston bulldog2 wrote: 12 Jun 2025 07:51 am
Melville wrote: 12 Jun 2025 07:49 am
sikeston bulldog2 wrote: 05 Jun 2025 10:05 am Good morning.

No longer a small sample size. 3/8 in, 38ish percent. And Scouty said no assessment could happen till 60 games in. Here we are.

Pitching- solid rotation. About 3-4 runs per game.
Defense- one of leagues best.
Offense. Middle of road. Can’t carry pitching. Not without Walker and Herrera.
Pen. Need 7/8 inning guy other than Matz. For competition purposes only.

Great position based on a perceived reset. Allows us to watch the young development and see winning baseball.

I look at the standings. We are a top 15 team in baseball. At this stage of reset. In a year or two, I see a power.

The alternative is a reset with losing baseball. I’ll take the former.

Enjoy.
Very fair assessment.
Key takeaways at this point.
Starting staff is showing signs of wear and tear - which reflects a couple of highly questionable decisions made by Super Slo Mo and The Marmot when spring training ended.
Starting to pay the price for that.
Outfield is the disaster I warned about - and again, it could have been much better if the M&M Boys had made smarter decisions about who played and where.
Bench, other than Pozo, is non-existent. STL either has guys sitting who should be starting - or starting who should be sitting. There are not any truly identified bench players.
Contreras move to 1B was smart, Donovan is the star I alone first predicted, Winn is the answer at SS, Pages seized the catcher job as I said he would, Herrera's bat is his only ticket to playing time, Scott has potential, Gorman and Walker will be fine provided they are left alone and get a lot of playing time.
Nice. The pen. You missed the pen.
Fair enough.
The pen has been adequate.
Helsley, Maton, Romero, and Matz - along with a bunch of nondescript pieces being jig-sawed from day to day.
A picture very similar to most teams.
I’d think the pen to have the biggest leaks. Of all facets of the team. I like their fight back ability.

One serious issue I note. With noot K to start game, we don’t score much early, thus putting us at the disadvantage of playing from behind often.

That alone is a stressor our staff don’t need.
Spot on.
Though most won't or can't see it, Moot is a huge liability - there is a reason the team is in the bottom 3 in MLB first inning runs.
And failing to seize the lead early put massive pressure on the pitching staff (and, in fairness, on the manager).
The team does fight back as you say, but that is not a sustainable strategy.
On a completley different note, one glaring omission on my part.
The presence of N/A is a big problem - he truly is negatively impacting several positions on the field and is blocking the implementation of what was originally a solid plan for this season.
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Re: 60 games in. No longer a small sample.

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Melville wrote: 12 Jun 2025 08:23 am
sikeston bulldog2 wrote: 12 Jun 2025 08:10 am
Melville wrote: 12 Jun 2025 08:07 am
sikeston bulldog2 wrote: 12 Jun 2025 07:51 am
Melville wrote: 12 Jun 2025 07:49 am
sikeston bulldog2 wrote: 05 Jun 2025 10:05 am Good morning.

No longer a small sample size. 3/8 in, 38ish percent. And Scouty said no assessment could happen till 60 games in. Here we are.

Pitching- solid rotation. About 3-4 runs per game.
Defense- one of leagues best.
Offense. Middle of road. Can’t carry pitching. Not without Walker and Herrera.
Pen. Need 7/8 inning guy other than Matz. For competition purposes only.

Great position based on a perceived reset. Allows us to watch the young development and see winning baseball.

I look at the standings. We are a top 15 team in baseball. At this stage of reset. In a year or two, I see a power.

The alternative is a reset with losing baseball. I’ll take the former.

Enjoy.
Very fair assessment.
Key takeaways at this point.
Starting staff is showing signs of wear and tear - which reflects a couple of highly questionable decisions made by Super Slo Mo and The Marmot when spring training ended.
Starting to pay the price for that.
Outfield is the disaster I warned about - and again, it could have been much better if the M&M Boys had made smarter decisions about who played and where.
Bench, other than Pozo, is non-existent. STL either has guys sitting who should be starting - or starting who should be sitting. There are not any truly identified bench players.
Contreras move to 1B was smart, Donovan is the star I alone first predicted, Winn is the answer at SS, Pages seized the catcher job as I said he would, Herrera's bat is his only ticket to playing time, Scott has potential, Gorman and Walker will be fine provided they are left alone and get a lot of playing time.
Nice. The pen. You missed the pen.
Fair enough.
The pen has been adequate.
Helsley, Maton, Romero, and Matz - along with a bunch of nondescript pieces being jig-sawed from day to day.
A picture very similar to most teams.
I’d think the pen to have the biggest leaks. Of all facets of the team. I like their fight back ability.

One serious issue I note. With noot K to start game, we don’t score much early, thus putting us at the disadvantage of playing from behind often.

That alone is a stressor our staff don’t need.
Spot on.
Though most won't or can't see it, Moot is a huge liability - there is a reason the team is in the bottom 3 in MLB first inning runs.
And failing to seize the lead early put massive pressure on the pitching staff (and, in fairness, on the manager).
The team does fight back as you say, but that is not a sustainable strategy.
On a completley different note, one glaring omission on my part.
The presence of N/A is a big problem - he truly is negatively impacting several positions on the field and is blocking the implementation of what was originally a solid plan for this season.
Presence. Could affect several systems. On field. Clubhouse. Future Operations.

His defense alone no longer justifies a Presence?
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Re: 60 games in. No longer a small sample.

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sikeston bulldog2 wrote: 12 Jun 2025 08:27 am
Melville wrote: 12 Jun 2025 08:23 am
sikeston bulldog2 wrote: 12 Jun 2025 08:10 am
Melville wrote: 12 Jun 2025 08:07 am
sikeston bulldog2 wrote: 12 Jun 2025 07:51 am
Melville wrote: 12 Jun 2025 07:49 am
sikeston bulldog2 wrote: 05 Jun 2025 10:05 am Good morning.

No longer a small sample size. 3/8 in, 38ish percent. And Scouty said no assessment could happen till 60 games in. Here we are.

Pitching- solid rotation. About 3-4 runs per game.
Defense- one of leagues best.
Offense. Middle of road. Can’t carry pitching. Not without Walker and Herrera.
Pen. Need 7/8 inning guy other than Matz. For competition purposes only.

Great position based on a perceived reset. Allows us to watch the young development and see winning baseball.

I look at the standings. We are a top 15 team in baseball. At this stage of reset. In a year or two, I see a power.

The alternative is a reset with losing baseball. I’ll take the former.

Enjoy.
Very fair assessment.
Key takeaways at this point.
Starting staff is showing signs of wear and tear - which reflects a couple of highly questionable decisions made by Super Slo Mo and The Marmot when spring training ended.
Starting to pay the price for that.
Outfield is the disaster I warned about - and again, it could have been much better if the M&M Boys had made smarter decisions about who played and where.
Bench, other than Pozo, is non-existent. STL either has guys sitting who should be starting - or starting who should be sitting. There are not any truly identified bench players.
Contreras move to 1B was smart, Donovan is the star I alone first predicted, Winn is the answer at SS, Pages seized the catcher job as I said he would, Herrera's bat is his only ticket to playing time, Scott has potential, Gorman and Walker will be fine provided they are left alone and get a lot of playing time.
Nice. The pen. You missed the pen.
Fair enough.
The pen has been adequate.
Helsley, Maton, Romero, and Matz - along with a bunch of nondescript pieces being jig-sawed from day to day.
A picture very similar to most teams.
I’d think the pen to have the biggest leaks. Of all facets of the team. I like their fight back ability.

One serious issue I note. With noot K to start game, we don’t score much early, thus putting us at the disadvantage of playing from behind often.

That alone is a stressor our staff don’t need.
Spot on.
Though most won't or can't see it, Moot is a huge liability - there is a reason the team is in the bottom 3 in MLB first inning runs.
And failing to seize the lead early put massive pressure on the pitching staff (and, in fairness, on the manager).
The team does fight back as you say, but that is not a sustainable strategy.
On a completley different note, one glaring omission on my part.
The presence of N/A is a big problem - he truly is negatively impacting several positions on the field and is blocking the implementation of what was originally a solid plan for this season.
Presence. Could affect several systems. On field. Clubhouse. Future Operations.

His defense alone no longer justifies a Presence?
Not when he is impeding the wheels of progress.
There are other teams where is presence fits far better than in STL.
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Re: 60 games in. No longer a small sample.

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ScotchMIrish wrote: 12 Jun 2025 07:26 am My quick math says on pace to win 91.5 games. For comparison in LaRussa's first 5 seasons in St Louis the Cards only won 90 games once. In his last 5 seasons in Oakland the A's only won 90 games once.

1/3 of the way into the season this is a pretty good ballclub. Lots of baseball left.
86-76 is the current pace in 2025. Better than I expected but also this team has been almost injury free.
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Re: 60 games in. No longer a small sample.

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cardstatman wrote: 12 Jun 2025 19:16 pm
ScotchMIrish wrote: 12 Jun 2025 07:26 am My quick math says on pace to win 91.5 games. For comparison in LaRussa's first 5 seasons in St Louis the Cards only won 90 games once. In his last 5 seasons in Oakland the A's only won 90 games once.

1/3 of the way into the season this is a pretty good ballclub. Lots of baseball left.
86-76 is the current pace in 2025. Better than I expected but also this team has been almost injury free.
85.7 depending on the outcome of tonight's game.
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I predicted 76-86. I hope that I am wrong.
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