Cardinals are in the Same Position as Last Year

[gpeeps22]

It feels like the team is a lot better in 2025 than they were in 2024

However on June 10, 2024, cardinals were 31-33 and 6 games out of first

This year, 36-31 and 5 games out of first.

Made no progress

[ClassicO]

It feels like the team is a lot better in 2025 than they were in 2024

However on June 10, 2024, cardinals were 31-33 and 6 games out of first

This year, 36-31 and 5 games out of first.

Made no progress

Wrong.
They said they’d reset this year, which is progress.
And they have reset in many ways by playing the kids even when the long runway has been painful with Walker, Gorman, Scott and Libby.
They have starters they knew were likely a problem but hopefully they will make the trades that must happen (Miles, Matz, Fedde and Helsley).
The offense is much better than last year and you can fix pitching via the minors and FA.
The promise with all the people that had their hopes up when they should not have.

[Futuregm2]

It feels like the team is a lot better in 2025 than they were in 2024

However on June 10, 2024, cardinals were 31-33 and 6 games out of first

This year, 36-31 and 5 games out of first.

Made no progress

A) That record is better so they have made progress.

B) They are a better team than last year.

C) They’ve done well against good teams, I don’t remember that being the case last year.

[Handsomebachelor]

There record is better lmao and this dude says they didn't improve because the team above them is playing better

[rockondlouie]

It feels like the team is a lot better in 2025 than they were in 2024

However on June 10, 2024, cardinals were 31-33 and 6 games out of first

This year, 36-31 and 5 games out of first.

Made no progress

A) That record is better so they have made progress.

B) They are a better team than last year.

C) They’ve done well against good teams, I don’t remember that being the case last year.

+1

Scrubbies due for a BIG regression to the mean from a lot of their hitters who have been hitting home runs at rates that are simply NOT sustainable.

Adding a stud like K. Tucker didn't hurt either.....dah.

2025 Cardinals are a much better team.

Aside from what you listed above (I'd add improved defense too) there's an intangible this team has that the 2024 team didn't, they simply don't QUIT...they're fighters!

[Honky Tonk Man]

It feels like the team is a lot better in 2025 than they were in 2024

However on June 10, 2024, cardinals were 31-33 and 6 games out of first

This year, 36-31 and 5 games out of first.

Made no progress

A) That record is better so they have made progress.

B) They are a better team than last year.

C) They’ve done well against good teams, I don’t remember that being the case last year.

+1

Scrubbies due for a BIG regression to the mean from a lot of their hitters who have been hitting home runs at rates that are simply NOT sustainable.

Adding a stud like K. Tucker didn't hurt either.....dah.

2025 Cardinals are a much better team.

Aside from what you listed above (I'd add improved defense too) there's an intangible this team has that the 2024 team didn't, they simply don't QUIT...they're fighters!

They have C. Bloom's fingerprints all over them

[sikeston bulldog2]

It feels like the team is a lot better in 2025 than they were in 2024

However on June 10, 2024, cardinals were 31-33 and 6 games out of first

This year, 36-31 and 5 games out of first.

Made no progress

Wrong.
They said they’d reset this year, which is progress.
And they have reset in many ways by playing the kids even when the long runway has been painful with Walker, Gorman, Scott and Libby.
They have starters they knew were likely a problem but hopefully they will make the trades that must happen (Miles, Matz, Fedde and Helsley).
The offense is much better than last year and you can fix pitching via the minors and FA.
The promise with all the people that had their hopes up when they should not have.

You saved me a write. Good summary.

[rockondlouie]

It feels like the team is a lot better in 2025 than they were in 2024

However on June 10, 2024, cardinals were 31-33 and 6 games out of first

This year, 36-31 and 5 games out of first.

Made no progress

A) That record is better so they have made progress.

B) They are a better team than last year.

C) They’ve done well against good teams, I don’t remember that being the case last year.

+1

Scrubbies due for a BIG regression to the mean from a lot of their hitters who have been hitting home runs at rates that are simply NOT sustainable.

Adding a stud like K. Tucker didn't hurt either.....dah.

2025 Cardinals are a much better team.

Aside from what you listed above (I'd add improved defense too) there's an intangible this team has that the 2024 team didn't, they simply don't QUIT...they're fighters!

They have C. Bloom's fingerprints all over them

I've heard he's been pulling more strings behind the scene than is being let on.

[Bob Kunush]

I have to give the original poster kudos for finding a new way to write a negative post about the team. Its ridiculous in its narrow scope but that is the beauty of it. You really have to reach to find a way to say this years team has not played better than last years team.

[Absolut]

It feels like the team is a lot better in 2025 than they were in 2024

However on June 10, 2024, cardinals were 31-33 and 6 games out of first

This year, 36-31 and 5 games out of first.

Made no progress

[Futuregm2]

Then and Now

Through 67 games 2024
Winn: 1.7 fWAR .302/.350/.434
Contreras: 1.3 fWAR .280/.398/.551
Arenado: 1.1 fWAR .260/.315/.380
Donovan: 0.9 fWAR .248/.325/.380
Gorman: 0.8 fWAR .215/.297/.463
Herrera: 0.8 fWAR .272/.331/.361
Nootbaar: 0.7 fWAR .234/.337/.404
Burleson: 0.3 fWAR .273/.307/.439
Pages: -0.2 fWAR .107/.229/.143
Walker: -0.5 fWAR .155/.239/.259
Scott: -0.7 fWAR .085/.138/.136


Through 67 games 2025
Donovan: 2.2 fWAR .310/.379/.440
Winn: 2.0 fWAR .271/.340/.410
Herrera: 1.5 fWAR .325/.397/.561
Scott: 1.1 fWAR .237/.321/.320
Arenado: 1.0 fWAR .242/.304/.394
Contreras: 1.0 fWAR .25/.328/.410
Nootbaar: 1.0 fWAR .237/.341/.379
Pages: 0.7 fWAR .217/.264/.368
Burleson: 0.5 fWAR .298/.340/.427
Gorman: 0.3 fWAR .229/.317/.390
Walker: -0.5 fWAR .215/.273/.310

[sikeston bulldog2]

Then and Now

Through 67 games 2024
Winn: 1.7 fWAR .302/.350/.434
Contreras: 1.3 fWAR .280/.398/.551
Arenado: 1.1 fWAR .260/.315/.380
Donovan: 0.9 fWAR .248/.325/.380
Gorman: 0.8 fWAR .215/.297/.463
Herrera: 0.8 fWAR .272/.331/.361
Nootbaar: 0.7 fWAR .234/.337/.404
Burleson: 0.3 fWAR .273/.307/.439
Pages: -0.2 fWAR .107/.229/.143
Walker: -0.5 fWAR .155/.239/.259
Scott: -0.7 fWAR .085/.138/.136


Through 67 games 2025
Donovan: 2.2 fWAR .310/.379/.440
Winn: 2.0 fWAR .271/.340/.410
Herrera: 1.5 fWAR .325/.397/.561
Scott: 1.1 fWAR .237/.321/.320
Arenado: 1.0 fWAR .242/.304/.394
Contreras: 1.0 fWAR .25/.328/.410
Nootbaar: 1.0 fWAR .237/.341/.379
Pages: 0.7 fWAR .217/.264/.368
Burleson: 0.5 fWAR .298/.340/.427
Gorman: 0.3 fWAR .229/.317/.390
Walker: -0.5 fWAR .215/.273/.310

From starters Walker has the only negative war. Isn’t that a good thing.

[Futuregm2]

Then and Now

Through 67 games 2024
Winn: 1.7 fWAR .302/.350/.434
Contreras: 1.3 fWAR .280/.398/.551
Arenado: 1.1 fWAR .260/.315/.380
Donovan: 0.9 fWAR .248/.325/.380
Gorman: 0.8 fWAR .215/.297/.463
Herrera: 0.8 fWAR .272/.331/.361
Nootbaar: 0.7 fWAR .234/.337/.404
Burleson: 0.3 fWAR .273/.307/.439
Pages: -0.2 fWAR .107/.229/.143
Walker: -0.5 fWAR .155/.239/.259
Scott: -0.7 fWAR .085/.138/.136


Through 67 games 2025
Donovan: 2.2 fWAR .310/.379/.440
Winn: 2.0 fWAR .271/.340/.410
Herrera: 1.5 fWAR .325/.397/.561
Scott: 1.1 fWAR .237/.321/.320
Arenado: 1.0 fWAR .242/.304/.394
Contreras: 1.0 fWAR .25/.328/.410
Nootbaar: 1.0 fWAR .237/.341/.379
Pages: 0.7 fWAR .217/.264/.368
Burleson: 0.5 fWAR .298/.340/.427
Gorman: 0.3 fWAR .229/.317/.390
Walker: -0.5 fWAR .215/.273/.310

From starters Walker has the only negative war. Isn’t that a good thing.

Yep and going from 3 1+ fWAR players to 7 plus going from 0 2+ fWAR players to 2 of them. All good progress.

[Talkin' Baseball]

Respectfully disagree. This is a much better team than a year ago. They are rarely ever out of a game. They do well against good teams and good pitchers. They are entertaining to watch. Oli has improved his management this year. He leaves starters in longer and sticks with lineups more often. They are receiving coaching, and you actually see improvements along the way. Looking forward, it is more realistic to view them with a higher ceiling than a year ago. I don't think it is unrealistic to think they will challenge to win the division next year.

And those are just the changes on the field. There are new departments, thought processes, and people from outside the organization that have already benefited the team, and the effect will grow as time goes on.

Regardless of how the standings go this year, this is a team on the rise. You couldn't say that a year ago.

[rockondlouie]

Then and Now

Through 67 games 2024
Winn: 1.7 fWAR .302/.350/.434
Contreras: 1.3 fWAR .280/.398/.551
Arenado: 1.1 fWAR .260/.315/.380
Donovan: 0.9 fWAR .248/.325/.380
Gorman: 0.8 fWAR .215/.297/.463
Herrera: 0.8 fWAR .272/.331/.361
Nootbaar: 0.7 fWAR .234/.337/.404
Burleson: 0.3 fWAR .273/.307/.439
Pages: -0.2 fWAR .107/.229/.143
Walker: -0.5 fWAR .155/.239/.259
Scott: -0.7 fWAR .085/.138/.136


Through 67 games 2025
Donovan: 2.2 fWAR .310/.379/.440
Winn: 2.0 fWAR .271/.340/.410
Herrera: 1.5 fWAR .325/.397/.561
Scott: 1.1 fWAR .237/.321/.320
Arenado: 1.0 fWAR .242/.304/.394
Contreras: 1.0 fWAR .25/.328/.410
Nootbaar: 1.0 fWAR .237/.341/.379
Pages: 0.7 fWAR .217/.264/.368
Burleson: 0.5 fWAR .298/.340/.427
Gorman: 0.3 fWAR .229/.317/.390
Walker: -0.5 fWAR .215/.273/.310

Nice legwork, Thx

[rockondlouie]

2024 Cardinals on 6/10/24'

254 Runs scored
294 Runs against

-40 Diff

11 - 15 vs teams > .500

2025 Cardinals on 6/10/25'

314 Runs scored (+60 more runs than they scored in 2024)
288 Runs against (-6 less runs given up vs 2024)

+26 Diff (an improvement of +66)

21 -19 vs teams > .500