janb526 wrote: ↑09 Jun 2025 22:20 pm
I didn't care for the Gorman pinch hitting situation but far worse was removing Herrera from behind the plate after his homerun with only a one run lead. I was thinking of the possibility of the Jays tying the game and his spot coming up later in the game. Nothing like taking out your best hitter in a one run game!
Removing Herrera for better defense was no issue fir me.
He hit the homer with 2 outs. Only one player batted after him . The lineup had to go thru 7 more batters for chance to have him come up again. With 1 inning left, odds slim even if Jays tie his spot comes up again.
If the homer came in 7th , , he stays in game but in 8th where only one Cardinal batted after him far different.
Thought the move was alright.
No way I am removing Herrera's bat from the lineup in a 1 run game. We act as if Herrera is the worst defensive catcher in the history of baseball. He is inadequate in the throwing department... that's it! Pages has struggled blocking balls lately; he is not perfect at all. It didn't come back to matter because Herrera never came back up, but if the bottom of the 10th had been managed properly, he could have.
I have no issue with the move as it was a strategic effort to forward think to stop the running game as needed.
Plus it was a lead. Plus one inning to go. Plus he was 7 hitters away from hitting again.
It wasn’t supposed to get back around to his at bat.
sikeston bulldog2 wrote: ↑10 Jun 2025 07:53 am
I have no issue with the move as it was a strategic effort to forward think to stop the running game as needed.
Against a team that runs that's sound thinking BDog.
BUT
Oli showing once again he doesn't know the situation or team as the Jays have stolen the 6th fewest bases in MLB, only 5 SB's in their last 14 games on only 6 ATTEMPTS!
sikeston bulldog2 wrote: ↑10 Jun 2025 07:53 am
I have no issue with the move as it was a strategic effort to forward think to stop the running game as needed.
Against a team that runs that's sound thinking BDog.
BUT
Oli showing once again he doesn't know the situation or team as the Jays have stolen the 6th fewest bases in MLB, only 5 SB's in their last 14 games on only 6 ATTEMPTS!
They DON"T run.
More poor situational awareness by Oli.
Those are strong stats. Can’t argue. He must of thought given the situation they would try one of their few attempts to run.
But again it’s a moot point because it’s the eighth and 7 batters to the spot. Game should be over before we as the home team hit eight batters in one inning.
sikeston bulldog2 wrote: ↑10 Jun 2025 07:53 am
I have no issue with the move as it was a strategic effort to forward think to stop the running game as needed.
Against a team that runs that's sound thinking BDog.
BUT
Oli showing once again he doesn't know the situation or team as the Jays have stolen the 6th fewest bases in MLB, only 5 SB's in their last 14 games on only 6 ATTEMPTS!
They DON"T run.
More poor situational awareness by Oli.
Those are strong stats. Can’t argue. He must of thought given the situation they would try one of their few attempts to run.
But again it’s a moot point because it’s the eighth and 7 batters to the spot. Game should be over before we as the home team hit eight batters in one inning.
I think Oli is a push-button Manager, not a strategic Manager.
When things fall right and he can just push the same buttons like he does managing the pen' and making out a lineup card after a win (sure seems to be the same lineup), then he's fine.
But removing Hererra for fear the opponent might steal w/o knowing your opponent wasn't justified.
There are maybe 20 or so games a year where a manager is integral in winning or losing the game. I feel that Marmol loses many more of those than he wins.
I fear that this team wins 85+ games and people think that Oli is a driving force to their winning season, thus bringing him back. We can do so much better at manager both from a strategic perspective and a leadership perspective.
Basil Shabazz wrote: ↑10 Jun 2025 09:08 am
There are maybe 20 or so games a year where a manager is integral in winning or losing the game. I feel that Marmol loses many more of those than he wins.
I fear that this team wins 85+ games and people think that Oli is a driving force to their winning season, thus bringing him back. We can do so much better at manager both from a strategic perspective and a leadership perspective.
!00 % oli's moves were all bad very constant with this. Bad moves multiply, Gorman's head was not done any favors. Oli's got a twisted way of getting his
way done.
Baseball Savant wrote: ↑09 Jun 2025 21:46 pm
The Vilade substitution was fireable
No it wasn't. I didnt agree with it and I wouldn't have done it but it's not fireable. But then everything he does is fireable to the anti Oli cult.
Ol Bobby boy running to oli's defense again.
That's because the anti Oli cult blames every single thibg thst goes wrong on him. Its stupid. I finslly got tired of you guys spamming tgr board with your juvenile nonsense.
I dont agree with every move he makes. I could care a less if Bloom replaces him. But the constant attacks on him are personal and very limited in thought.
Baseball Savant wrote: ↑09 Jun 2025 21:46 pm
The Vilade substitution was fireable
No it wasn't. I didnt agree with it and I wouldn't have done it but it's not fireable. But then everything he does is fireable to the anti Oli cult.
Ol Bobby boy running to oli's defense again.
That's because the anti Oli cult blames every single thibg thst goes wrong on him. Its stupid. I finslly got tired of you guys spamming tgr board with your juvenile nonsense.
I dont agree with every move he makes. I could care a less if Bloom replaces him. But the constant attacks on him are personal and very limited in thought.
Baseball Savant wrote: ↑09 Jun 2025 21:46 pm
The Vilade substitution was fireable
No it wasn't. I didnt agree with it and I wouldn't have done it but it's not fireable. But then everything he does is fireable to the anti Oli cult.
Ol Bobby boy running to oli's defense again.
That's because the anti Oli cult blames every single thibg thst goes wrong on him. Its stupid. I finslly got tired of you guys spamming tgr board with your juvenile nonsense.
I dont agree with every move he makes. I could care a less if Bloom replaces him. But the constant attacks on him are personal and very limited in thought.
Baseball Savant wrote: ↑09 Jun 2025 21:46 pm
The Vilade substitution was fireable
No it wasn't. I didnt agree with it and I wouldn't have done it but it's not fireable. But then everything he does is fireable to the anti Oli cult.
Ol Bobby boy running to oli's defense again.
That's because the anti Oli cult blames every single thibg thst goes wrong on him. Its stupid. I finslly got tired of you guys spamming tgr board with your juvenile nonsense.
I dont agree with every move he makes. I could care a less if Bloom replaces him. But the constant attacks on him are personal and very limited in thought.
Bobby II is a front office (donkey) kisser.
The typical reply of the simple minded. I simply defend people against the emotional and childish attacks of the complainers club members.
I am not a fan of the current edition of Mo and I am glad he is going. I certainly don't agree with every move Marmol makes but I have been on this forum long enough to know there were similar complainer clubs in place all the way back to LaRussa.
A great illustration of this is the game day thread. If the Cardinals are losing or have a bad gane there are pages and pages of threads there. If they have a good game it is usually a much shorter thread. Complainers are emotional knee jerkers.
Baseball Savant wrote: ↑09 Jun 2025 21:46 pm
The Vilade substitution was fireable
No it wasn't. I didnt agree with it and I wouldn't have done it but it's not fireable. But then everything he does is fireable to the anti Oli cult.
Ol Bobby boy running to oli's defense again.
That's because the anti Oli cult blames every single thibg thst goes wrong on him. Its stupid. I finslly got tired of you guys spamming tgr board with your juvenile nonsense.
I dont agree with every move he makes. I could care a less if Bloom replaces him. But the constant attacks on him are personal and very limited in thought.
Bobby II is a front office (donkey) kisser.
The typical reply of the simple minded. I simply defend people against the emotional and childish attacks of the complainers club members.
I am not a fan of the current edition of Mo and I am glad he is going. I certainly don't agree with every move Marmol makes but I have been on this forum long enough to know there were similar complainer clubs in place all the way back to LaRussa.
A great illustration of this is the game day thread. If the Cardinals are losing or have a bad gane there are pages and pages of threads there. If they have a good game it is usually a much shorter thread. Complainers are emotional knee jerkers.
Baseball Savant wrote: ↑09 Jun 2025 21:46 pm
The Vilade substitution was fireable
No it wasn't. I didnt agree with it and I wouldn't have done it but it's not fireable. But then everything he does is fireable to the anti Oli cult.
Ol Bobby boy running to oli's defense again.
That's because the anti Oli cult blames every single thibg thst goes wrong on him. Its stupid. I finslly got tired of you guys spamming tgr board with your juvenile nonsense.
I dont agree with every move he makes. I could care a less if Bloom replaces him. But the constant attacks on him are personal and very limited in thought.
Questioning and criticizing a manager's job performance isn't a personal attack. Good grief. Calm down on your anger typing. The mistyped words are a mess.
Baseball Savant wrote: ↑09 Jun 2025 21:46 pm
The Vilade substitution was fireable
No it wasn't. I didnt agree with it and I wouldn't have done it but it's not fireable. But then everything he does is fireable to the anti Oli cult.
Ol Bobby boy running to oli's defense again.
That's because the anti Oli cult blames every single thibg thst goes wrong on him. Its stupid. I finslly got tired of you guys spamming tgr board with your juvenile nonsense.
I dont agree with every move he makes. I could care a less if Bloom replaces him. But the constant attacks on him are personal and very limited in thought.
Bobby II is a front office (donkey) kisser.
The typical reply of the simple minded. I simply defend people against the emotional and childish attacks of the complainers club members.
I am not a fan of the current edition of Mo and I am glad he is going. I certainly don't agree with every move Marmol makes but I have been on this forum long enough to know there were similar complainer clubs in place all the way back to LaRussa.
A great illustration of this is the game day thread. If the Cardinals are losing or have a bad gane there are pages and pages of threads there. If they have a good game it is usually a much shorter thread. Complainers are emotional knee jerkers.
Solid post
Your points are well taken.
To be fair, I agree with you guys on the lifting of Gorman last night. I didnt like it when it happened and my wife can vouch for that! I would have let him hit to have his bat later in a close game. But if I had lifted him it would have been for Pozo instead of Vilade. Vilade has shown nothing and had two embarrassing non competitive at bats. He should be either released or back in Memphis. If that was Olis call it was a bad one.
I would have bunted Nootbar but he has never shown he is any good at it so I understand why thry didnt. I dont think I would have sent Scott there because he was still in scoring position with 1 out and there would have been a lot of complaints if he had been thrown out to make the 2nd out.
We lost the game primarily due to our closer being in a major funk and Nootbar not be8ng able to make contact.
The Cardinals have a real issue with their outfield.
Baseball Savant wrote: ↑09 Jun 2025 21:46 pm
The Vilade substitution was fireable
No it wasn't. I didnt agree with it and I wouldn't have done it but it's not fireable. But then everything he does is fireable to the anti Oli cult.
Ol Bobby boy running to oli's defense again.
That's because the anti Oli cult blames every single thibg thst goes wrong on him. Its stupid. I finslly got tired of you guys spamming tgr board with your juvenile nonsense.
I dont agree with every move he makes. I could care a less if Bloom replaces him. But the constant attacks on him are personal and very limited in thought.
Questioning and criticizing a manager's job performance isn't a personal attack. Good grief. Calm down on your anger typing. The mistyped words are a mess.
I'm guessing Bob II is a day drinker and a front office (donkey) kisser.
