Organizational Depth

[BluesDom]

We talked about needing a center--yet we have prospects who can fill that role soon: Stenberg-may be a winger--but drafted as center, Kaskimaki, Peterson, Alexandrov, Dvorsky etc; Jecko, Mrsic, and Stancl--drafted as center. We know we could use a center short-term. Longer term--we seem ok.
Left D--forward prospects--A-OK. Goalie after Binner, Hofer, Ellis--a tad thin. But ok for now, We probably draft a goalie this year to add depth. Cranley and Zherenko are not NHL'ers imo.

The one area we are weakest==Right D Weakest on big club and throughout organization.
On big club we have Parayko Faulk and Kessel
Then we have Adam Jiricek and Will McIssac--both drafted last year. Thats it.

Logic says we will see a trade of left d and centers/wing prospects to fill this need.
Trading Faulk isnt logical. Is Kessel a full time NHL player? Doesnt seem like it.

What Right D targets are out there? Are Any around age 24-27

[STL fan in MN]

We talked about needing a center--yet we have prospects who can fill that role soon: Stenberg-may be a winger--but drafted as center, Kaskimaki, Peterson, Alexandrov, Dvorsky etc; Jecho, Mrsic, and Stancl--drafted as center. We know we could use a center short-term. Longer term--we seem ok.
Left D--forward prospects--A-OK. Goalie after Binner, Hofer, Ellis--a tad thin. But ok for now, We probably draft a goalie this year to add depth. Cranley and Zherenko are not NHL'ers imo.

The one area we are weakest==Right D Weakest on big club and throughout organization.
On big club we have Parayko Faulk and Kessel
Then we have Adam Jiricek and Will McIssac--both drafted last year. Thats it.

Logic says we will see a trade of left d and centers/wing prospects to fill this need.
Trading Faulk isnt logical. Is Kessel a full time NHL player? Doesnt seem like it.

What Right D targets are out there? Are Any around age 24-27

Bolded the wingers for you. The only one that might be able to stick at C would be Stancl. And Peterson and Jecho are the only righties. All the rest are lefties.

Agree though that RD is the biggest organizational need. As for who might be available, there’s a few.

Dante Fabbro turns 27 later this month and should be a prime UFA. He was put on waivers earlier this season but if someone like Matt Roy can get 6 years x $5.75M, then Fabbro can too. He’s better than Roy IMO. Any team will likely have to overpay to get him, assuming he doesn’t re-sign with CBJ first.

Nick Perbix also turns 27 later this month and would be a good 3RD option IMO.

Henri Jokiharju is only 25 but already reached UFA status. He’d also be a solid 3RD option too.

Older options would be Ekblad, Burns, Hamonic and Ceci (please God no to Ceci). Ekblad would obviously be the most expensive.

The trade route is hard to predict as you just don’t know what all players are truly available and for what.

But the 2 main young guys that come to mind are Simon Nemec and Brandt Clarke. Nemec’s been in some trade rumors but I see no reason why LA would consider trading Clarke.

I’ve heard Filip Hronek’s name out there. He’d be great to have but would cost a lot.

Others I can think of: Damon Severeon, Jordan Spence, Alexandre Carrier, Connor Murphy, Rasmus Ristolainen, Ryan Pulock, Adam Larsson etc.

But just about all teams covet their RDs so most of these guys would likely not truly be available IMO. But those would be the types of players I’d be inquiring about if I was Army. Kick the tires and see if someone is unexpectedly available.

[seattleblue]

Let's say the Blues took Blake Fiddler and several of us are wrong and he starts developing / has a great D+1 etc. He's a big RHD. He doesn't fit the front end of the contending timeline but a year or two from now a developing prospect at the same position can be offered with a 1st for the established player at the position and then you re-sign that player. It doesn't have to be the same position (eg 1st + Bokk for Fualk) but it helps to sell the other team that they're still getting value at that position just delaying the window of it in order to benefit in another way (get a 1st round pick typically). Forward development timeline is a little faster than defenseman timeline, maybe they draft Carbonneau on RW and look to trade one of their other RWs later for that RD piece, etc.

[Pierre McGuire]

Let's say the Blues took Blake Fiddler and several of us are wrong and he starts developing / has a great D+1 etc. He's a big RHD. He doesn't fit the front end of the contending timeline but a year or two from now a developing prospect at the same position can be offered with a 1st for the established player at the position and then you re-sign that player. It doesn't have to be the same position (eg 1st + Bokk for Fualk) but it helps to sell the other team that they're still getting value at that position just delaying the window of it in order to benefit in another way (get a 1st round pick typically). Forward development timeline is a little faster than defenseman timeline, maybe they draft Carbonneau on RW and look to trade one of their other RWs later for that RD piece, etc.

lol...why is it always Blake Fiddler?

[seattleblue]

Let's say the Blues took Blake Fiddler and several of us are wrong and he starts developing / has a great D+1 etc. He's a big RHD. He doesn't fit the front end of the contending timeline but a year or two from now a developing prospect at the same position can be offered with a 1st for the established player at the position and then you re-sign that player. It doesn't have to be the same position (eg 1st + Bokk for Fualk) but it helps to sell the other team that they're still getting value at that position just delaying the window of it in order to benefit in another way (get a 1st round pick typically). Forward development timeline is a little faster than defenseman timeline, maybe they draft Carbonneau on RW and look to trade one of their other RWs later for that RD piece, etc.

lol...why is it always Blake Fiddler?

you've undoubtedly see kimzey trash him and MN say he doesn't like him ... why is it me who has the "hate"?

but in this case the answer is because he is RD in the area we are picking to go with the point about using RD prospect to acquire later prime age RD, would you rather I used Brzustevich in the hypothetical? I tried to acknowledge the possibility that indeed we could be wrong and you could be right. That seems like balance to me.

[Pierre McGuire]

Let's say the Blues took Blake Fiddler and several of us are wrong and he starts developing / has a great D+1 etc. He's a big RHD. He doesn't fit the front end of the contending timeline but a year or two from now a developing prospect at the same position can be offered with a 1st for the established player at the position and then you re-sign that player. It doesn't have to be the same position (eg 1st + Bokk for Fualk) but it helps to sell the other team that they're still getting value at that position just delaying the window of it in order to benefit in another way (get a 1st round pick typically). Forward development timeline is a little faster than defenseman timeline, maybe they draft Carbonneau on RW and look to trade one of their other RWs later for that RD piece, etc.

lol...why is it always Blake Fiddler?

you've undoubtedly see kimzey trash him and MN say he doesn't like him ... why is it me who has the "hate"?

You tell me?

[seattleblue]

Let's say the Blues took Blake Fiddler and several of us are wrong and he starts developing / has a great D+1 etc. He's a big RHD. He doesn't fit the front end of the contending timeline but a year or two from now a developing prospect at the same position can be offered with a 1st for the established player at the position and then you re-sign that player. It doesn't have to be the same position (eg 1st + Bokk for Fualk) but it helps to sell the other team that they're still getting value at that position just delaying the window of it in order to benefit in another way (get a 1st round pick typically). Forward development timeline is a little faster than defenseman timeline, maybe they draft Carbonneau on RW and look to trade one of their other RWs later for that RD piece, etc.

lol...why is it always Blake Fiddler?

you've undoubtedly see kimzey trash him and MN say he doesn't like him ... why is it me who has the "hate"?

You tell me?

Ok, I don't have "the hate" I just dislike him and have substantiated why.
You are clearly using selectivity to complain about my opinion of Fiddler so now your turn, you tell me.

[Pierre McGuire]

Let's say the Blues took Blake Fiddler and several of us are wrong and he starts developing / has a great D+1 etc. He's a big RHD. He doesn't fit the front end of the contending timeline but a year or two from now a developing prospect at the same position can be offered with a 1st for the established player at the position and then you re-sign that player. It doesn't have to be the same position (eg 1st + Bokk for Fualk) but it helps to sell the other team that they're still getting value at that position just delaying the window of it in order to benefit in another way (get a 1st round pick typically). Forward development timeline is a little faster than defenseman timeline, maybe they draft Carbonneau on RW and look to trade one of their other RWs later for that RD piece, etc.

lol...why is it always Blake Fiddler?

you've undoubtedly see kimzey trash him and MN say he doesn't like him ... why is it me who has the "hate"?

You tell me?

Ok, I don't have "the hate" I just dislike him and have substantiated why.
You are clearly using selectivity to complain about my opinion of Fiddler so now your turn, you tell me.

You seem to mention him a lot for a player you don't care for. You worried the Blues are gonna take him at #19?

[seattleblue]

Let's say the Blues took Blake Fiddler and several of us are wrong and he starts developing / has a great D+1 etc. He's a big RHD. He doesn't fit the front end of the contending timeline but a year or two from now a developing prospect at the same position can be offered with a 1st for the established player at the position and then you re-sign that player. It doesn't have to be the same position (eg 1st + Bokk for Fualk) but it helps to sell the other team that they're still getting value at that position just delaying the window of it in order to benefit in another way (get a 1st round pick typically). Forward development timeline is a little faster than defenseman timeline, maybe they draft Carbonneau on RW and look to trade one of their other RWs later for that RD piece, etc.

lol...why is it always Blake Fiddler?

you've undoubtedly see kimzey trash him and MN say he doesn't like him ... why is it me who has the "hate"?

You tell me?

Ok, I don't have "the hate" I just dislike him and have substantiated why.
You are clearly using selectivity to complain about my opinion of Fiddler so now your turn, you tell me.

You seem to mention him a lot for a player you don't care for. You worried the Blues are gonna take him at #19?

Answer my question please I answered yours. They also rip Lakovic up and down.

[Pierre McGuire]

Let's say the Blues took Blake Fiddler and several of us are wrong and he starts developing / has a great D+1 etc. He's a big RHD. He doesn't fit the front end of the contending timeline but a year or two from now a developing prospect at the same position can be offered with a 1st for the established player at the position and then you re-sign that player. It doesn't have to be the same position (eg 1st + Bokk for Fualk) but it helps to sell the other team that they're still getting value at that position just delaying the window of it in order to benefit in another way (get a 1st round pick typically). Forward development timeline is a little faster than defenseman timeline, maybe they draft Carbonneau on RW and look to trade one of their other RWs later for that RD piece, etc.

lol...why is it always Blake Fiddler?

you've undoubtedly see kimzey trash him and MN say he doesn't like him ... why is it me who has the "hate"?

You tell me?

Ok, I don't have "the hate" I just dislike him and have substantiated why.
You are clearly using selectivity to complain about my opinion of Fiddler so now your turn, you tell me.

You seem to mention him a lot for a player you don't care for. You worried the Blues are gonna take him at #19?

Answer my question please I answered yours. They also rip Lakovic up and down.

I just answered it, and I don't care what they say about Lakovic, I know he's a very good player and should easily go somewhere between 10-20, thats coming from people that do this for a living....thats not coming from me. However he continues to be my guy with 3 weeks to go. I don't see that changing.

[seattleblue]

Let's say the Blues took Blake Fiddler and several of us are wrong and he starts developing / has a great D+1 etc. He's a big RHD. He doesn't fit the front end of the contending timeline but a year or two from now a developing prospect at the same position can be offered with a 1st for the established player at the position and then you re-sign that player. It doesn't have to be the same position (eg 1st + Bokk for Fualk) but it helps to sell the other team that they're still getting value at that position just delaying the window of it in order to benefit in another way (get a 1st round pick typically). Forward development timeline is a little faster than defenseman timeline, maybe they draft Carbonneau on RW and look to trade one of their other RWs later for that RD piece, etc.

lol...why is it always Blake Fiddler?

you've undoubtedly see kimzey trash him and MN say he doesn't like him ... why is it me who has the "hate"?

You tell me?

Ok, I don't have "the hate" I just dislike him and have substantiated why.
You are clearly using selectivity to complain about my opinion of Fiddler so now your turn, you tell me.

You seem to mention him a lot for a player you don't care for. You worried the Blues are gonna take him at #19?

Answer my question please I answered yours. They also rip Lakovic up and down.

I just answered it, and I don't care what they say about Lakovic, I know he's a very good player and should easily go somewhere between 10-20, thats coming from people that do this for a living....thats not coming from me. However he continues to be my guy with 3 weeks to go. I don't see that changing.

The title of this thread is organizational depth, I am following on a thought expressed in the immediate brief thread about RHD. In order to make my point I decided to pick one of the three potential RHDs (not a different position! it's one of three possibles.) available near where the Blues pick. I could have chosen Hensler or Brzustevich but instead I mention Fiddler and explicitly allow that we could be wrong, in order to further allow grace into the conversation, and you find a way to interpret as "worried we'll get Fiddler or obsessed with Fiddler." I want to know why you steered your boat there and I think in the context that two hours ago in the Simon Wang conversation you heard me express the idea of humility, since you know your viewings are easily as incomplete as mine are, I deserve that answer.

[Pierre McGuire]

Let's say the Blues took Blake Fiddler and several of us are wrong and he starts developing / has a great D+1 etc. He's a big RHD. He doesn't fit the front end of the contending timeline but a year or two from now a developing prospect at the same position can be offered with a 1st for the established player at the position and then you re-sign that player. It doesn't have to be the same position (eg 1st + Bokk for Fualk) but it helps to sell the other team that they're still getting value at that position just delaying the window of it in order to benefit in another way (get a 1st round pick typically). Forward development timeline is a little faster than defenseman timeline, maybe they draft Carbonneau on RW and look to trade one of their other RWs later for that RD piece, etc.

lol...why is it always Blake Fiddler?

you've undoubtedly see kimzey trash him and MN say he doesn't like him ... why is it me who has the "hate"?

You tell me?

Ok, I don't have "the hate" I just dislike him and have substantiated why.
You are clearly using selectivity to complain about my opinion of Fiddler so now your turn, you tell me.

You seem to mention him a lot for a player you don't care for. You worried the Blues are gonna take him at #19?

Answer my question please I answered yours. They also rip Lakovic up and down.

I just answered it, and I don't care what they say about Lakovic, I know he's a very good player and should easily go somewhere between 10-20, thats coming from people that do this for a living....thats not coming from me. However he continues to be my guy with 3 weeks to go. I don't see that changing.

The title of this thread is organizational depth, I am following on a thought expressed in the immediate brief thread about RHD. In order to make my point I decided to pick one of the three potential RHDs (not a different position! it's one of three possibles.) available near where the Blues pick. I could have chosen Hensler or Brzustevich but instead I mention Fiddler and explicitly allow that we could be wrong, in order to further allow grace into the conversation, and you find a way to interpret as "worried we'll get Fiddler or obsessed with Fiddler." I want to know why you steered your boat there and I think in the context that two hours ago in the Simon Wang conversation you heard me express the idea of humility, since you know your viewings are easily as incomplete as mine are, I deserve that answer.

That was a legit question regarding if you might be worried that the Blues draft Fiddler....nothing more than that.

[seattleblue]

Let's say the Blues took Blake Fiddler and several of us are wrong and he starts developing / has a great D+1 etc. He's a big RHD. He doesn't fit the front end of the contending timeline but a year or two from now a developing prospect at the same position can be offered with a 1st for the established player at the position and then you re-sign that player. It doesn't have to be the same position (eg 1st + Bokk for Fualk) but it helps to sell the other team that they're still getting value at that position just delaying the window of it in order to benefit in another way (get a 1st round pick typically). Forward development timeline is a little faster than defenseman timeline, maybe they draft Carbonneau on RW and look to trade one of their other RWs later for that RD piece, etc.

lol...why is it always Blake Fiddler?

you've undoubtedly see kimzey trash him and MN say he doesn't like him ... why is it me who has the "hate"?

You tell me?

Ok, I don't have "the hate" I just dislike him and have substantiated why.
You are clearly using selectivity to complain about my opinion of Fiddler so now your turn, you tell me.

You seem to mention him a lot for a player you don't care for. You worried the Blues are gonna take him at #19?

Answer my question please I answered yours. They also rip Lakovic up and down.

I just answered it, and I don't care what they say about Lakovic, I know he's a very good player and should easily go somewhere between 10-20, thats coming from people that do this for a living....thats not coming from me. However he continues to be my guy with 3 weeks to go. I don't see that changing.

The title of this thread is organizational depth, I am following on a thought expressed in the immediate brief thread about RHD. In order to make my point I decided to pick one of the three potential RHDs (not a different position! it's one of three possibles.) available near where the Blues pick. I could have chosen Hensler or Brzustevich but instead I mention Fiddler and explicitly allow that we could be wrong, in order to further allow grace into the conversation, and you find a way to interpret as "worried we'll get Fiddler or obsessed with Fiddler." I want to know why you steered your boat there and I think in the context that two hours ago in the Simon Wang conversation you heard me express the idea of humility, since you know your viewings are easily as incomplete as mine are, I deserve that answer.

That was a legit question regarding if you might be worried that the Blues draft Fiddler....nothing more than that.

I was not optimistic I was going to get a "oh yeah, I see how he was picking from a very limited pool of players to make his point, that must have gotten past me and I jumped. my bad!"

[BalotelliMassive]

you've undoubtedly see kimzey trash him and MN say he doesn't like him ... why is it me who has the "hate"?

Well...you did call him a bum and said you would be very angry if the Blues did select him...

[Pierre McGuire]

but in this case the answer is because he is RD in the area we are picking to go with the point about using RD prospect to acquire later prime age RD, would you rather I used Brzustevich in the hypothetical? I tried to acknowledge the possibility that indeed we could be wrong and you could be right. That seems like balance to me.

I wanted to go back on this one here. There is no right or wrong. Fiddler is a player that's going to be drafted by someone and is going to play in the NHL eventually. I personally feel he is definitely a player that our current Blues management team and scouts would be very interested in for numerous reasons.

[Harry S Deals]

As far as i know the only organizational center options in order are Dean, Alexandrov, Dvorsky, Peterson, Stancl. I think we may see one of or a combo of Dean, Alexandrov and Peterson in the NHL soon and i can see Dvorsky getting another look at some point next season but probably not right out of camp.