Trevor Bauer on Monday wins in court, he wins on the field why

[3dender]

So things only happen if they are a crime and the person gets arrested or charged? Is that really your threshold for knowing whether something happened or not? Cause if so I feel like you may be missing out on a lot of knowledge.

So, you can prove that things you stated as facts are indeed facts?

Photo evidence of a beating + other allegations of similar behavior + Bauer never denying he beats women to get off... that math adds up to a fact in my mind.

The only thing Bauer ever denied was the issue of consent... he never denied beating women to get off.

You’ve referenced repeatedly additional allegations. Why haven’t you acknowledged those allegations as fraudulent?

I’m curious as to why you won’t answer that.

You've repeatedly referenced one set of allegations that was fraudulent in the sense that it wasn't proved to be consensual, even though the beating did actually happen.

Are you saying all the other allegations have been found fraudulent as well? I'd love to see those reports if you can share.

Honestly, how is it possible that you don’t know about this?! Blows my mind how willfully ignorant people choose to be.

https://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/399 ... ud-arizona

Has it occurred to you that people don't care about this as much as you do, and don't want to spend that much time thinking about it? It is a very weird hill to die on.

Just to be clear... since you won't be...

This is you acknowledging that you didn't know about this.
This is you acknowledging that you've been arguing from a position of ignorance.
This is you insulting me instead of showing any accountability.

Maybe say thanks for the information instead of doubling down on dooooochery?

Just a thought. It's not my fault that you've chosen to not know what you're talking about.

That's one way to put it.

Another way to put it is that there's a lot of evidence that Bauer not only gets off on beating women but is also a general a-hole, and you have spent a remarkable amount of time and energy defending him.

You keep arguing as if one aspect of the allegations being fraudulent means that none of it happened whatsoever. You're not being objective about this and I can only wonder why.

[An Old Friend]

So things only happen if they are a crime and the person gets arrested or charged? Is that really your threshold for knowing whether something happened or not? Cause if so I feel like you may be missing out on a lot of knowledge.

So, you can prove that things you stated as facts are indeed facts?

Photo evidence of a beating + other allegations of similar behavior + Bauer never denying he beats women to get off... that math adds up to a fact in my mind.

The only thing Bauer ever denied was the issue of consent... he never denied beating women to get off.

You’ve referenced repeatedly additional allegations. Why haven’t you acknowledged those allegations as fraudulent?

I’m curious as to why you won’t answer that.

You've repeatedly referenced one set of allegations that was fraudulent in the sense that it wasn't proved to be consensual, even though the beating did actually happen.

Are you saying all the other allegations have been found fraudulent as well? I'd love to see those reports if you can share.

Honestly, how is it possible that you don’t know about this?! Blows my mind how willfully ignorant people choose to be.

https://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/399 ... ud-arizona

Has it occurred to you that people don't care about this as much as you do, and don't want to spend that much time thinking about it? It is a very weird hill to die on.

Just to be clear... since you won't be...

This is you acknowledging that you didn't know about this.
This is you acknowledging that you've been arguing from a position of ignorance.
This is you insulting me instead of showing any accountability.

Maybe say thanks for the information instead of doubling down on dooooochery?

Just a thought. It's not my fault that you've chosen to not know what you're talking about.

That's one way to put it.

Another way to put it is that there's a lot of evidence that Bauer not only gets off on beating women but is also a general a-hole, and you have spent a remarkable amount of time and energy defending him.

You keep arguing as if one aspect of the allegations being fraudulent means that none of it happened whatsoever. You're not being objective about this and I can only wonder why.

I’ve not ever argued that. That’s what people like you will tell yourself to absolve yourself of not knowing what you’re talking about.

He got a raw deal. Crazy (donkey) Lindsey Hill set out to destroy him and get paid. Then Molly Knight reported that Hill had a fractured skull and everyone believed it. At that point, the damage was done. Even though they revised the story to correct for that, people had already formed their opinions.

Want to talk about being objective? It’s impossible to be objective if you don’t know the facts. Between you and I, only one of us knows them, and it isn’t you.

[3dender]

I’ve not ever argued that. That’s what people like you will tell yourself to absolve yourself of not knowing what you’re talking about.

He got a raw deal. Crazy (donkey) Lindsey Hill set out to destroy him and get paid. Then Molly Knight reported that Hill had a fractured skull and everyone believed it. At that point, the damage was done. Even though they revised the story to correct for that, people had already formed their opinions.

Want to talk about being objective? It’s impossible to be objective if you don’t know the facts. Between you and I, only one of us knows them, and it isn’t you.

People get raw deals every day. A lot rawer deals than this one too. A lot better people than this guy too. People in a lot worse circumstances than a famous millionaire too.

But this is the one you're fighting for. It's strange is all I'm saying.

[Ozziesfan41]

I’ve not ever argued that. That’s what people like you will tell yourself to absolve yourself of not knowing what you’re talking about.

He got a raw deal. Crazy (donkey) Lindsey Hill set out to destroy him and get paid. Then Molly Knight reported that Hill had a fractured skull and everyone believed it. At that point, the damage was done. Even though they revised the story to correct for that, people had already formed their opinions.

Want to talk about being objective? It’s impossible to be objective if you don’t know the facts. Between you and I, only one of us knows them, and it isn’t you.

People get raw deals every day. A lot rawer deals than this one too. A lot better people than this guy too. People in a lot worse circumstances than a famous millionaire too.

But this is the one you're fighting for. It's strange is all I'm saying.

especially when his situation is self inflicted. If he wasnt an idiot his entire career and had problems on every team he ever played for if he was known as a good teammate he would be in the majors right now

[An Old Friend]

I’ve not ever argued that. That’s what people like you will tell yourself to absolve yourself of not knowing what you’re talking about.

He got a raw deal. Crazy (donkey) Lindsey Hill set out to destroy him and get paid. Then Molly Knight reported that Hill had a fractured skull and everyone believed it. At that point, the damage was done. Even though they revised the story to correct for that, people had already formed their opinions.

Want to talk about being objective? It’s impossible to be objective if you don’t know the facts. Between you and I, only one of us knows them, and it isn’t you.

People get raw deals every day. A lot rawer deals than this one too. A lot better people than this guy too. People in a lot worse circumstances than a famous millionaire too.

But this is the one you're fighting for. It's strange is all I'm saying.

And I think it’s strange that you’re totally comfortable talking out of your backside about a story you clearly don’t know, then have the audacity to criticize someone who does know what they’re talking about.

Surely you get that, right?!

It’s literally not about Bauer at this point. I’m calling out people who are way too comfortable basing their opinions on fake news… who can’t come to grips with that and show some accountability.

Willful ignorance is really aggravating and your posture here is exhibit 1A. There are so many people that face injustices because of thinking like yours. Your acceptance of made up narratives and follow up of “tough [shirt], happens to a lot of people” should never be something people are comfortable with. It’s arguments like these that keep the Curtis Flowers and Walter McMillians of the world down when they did nothing to deserve it.

It’s gross.

[3dender]

I’ve not ever argued that. That’s what people like you will tell yourself to absolve yourself of not knowing what you’re talking about.

He got a raw deal. Crazy (donkey) Lindsey Hill set out to destroy him and get paid. Then Molly Knight reported that Hill had a fractured skull and everyone believed it. At that point, the damage was done. Even though they revised the story to correct for that, people had already formed their opinions.

Want to talk about being objective? It’s impossible to be objective if you don’t know the facts. Between you and I, only one of us knows them, and it isn’t you.

People get raw deals every day. A lot rawer deals than this one too. A lot better people than this guy too. People in a lot worse circumstances than a famous millionaire too.

But this is the one you're fighting for. It's strange is all I'm saying.

And I think it’s strange that you’re totally comfortable talking out of your backside about a story you clearly don’t know, then have the audacity to criticize someone who does know what they’re talking about.

Surely you get that, right?!

It’s literally not about Bauer at this point. I’m calling out people who are way too comfortable basing their opinions on fake news… who can’t come to grips with that and show some accountability.

Willful ignorance is really aggravating and your posture here is exhibit 1A. There are so many people that face injustices because of thinking like yours. Your acceptance of made up narratives and follow up of “tough [shirt], happens to a lot of people” should never be something people are comfortable with. It’s arguments like these that keep the Curtis Flowers and Walter McMillians of the world down when they did nothing to deserve it.

It’s gross.

Lol comparing a rich white ahole who lost his ability to earn tens of millions more dollars, to two poor black guys who were literally imprisoned for decades due to our racist justice system.

2/3 of those are worth getting upset about...You're proving my point for me

[An Old Friend]

I’ve not ever argued that. That’s what people like you will tell yourself to absolve yourself of not knowing what you’re talking about.

He got a raw deal. Crazy (donkey) Lindsey Hill set out to destroy him and get paid. Then Molly Knight reported that Hill had a fractured skull and everyone believed it. At that point, the damage was done. Even though they revised the story to correct for that, people had already formed their opinions.

Want to talk about being objective? It’s impossible to be objective if you don’t know the facts. Between you and I, only one of us knows them, and it isn’t you.

People get raw deals every day. A lot rawer deals than this one too. A lot better people than this guy too. People in a lot worse circumstances than a famous millionaire too.

But this is the one you're fighting for. It's strange is all I'm saying.

And I think it’s strange that you’re totally comfortable talking out of your backside about a story you clearly don’t know, then have the audacity to criticize someone who does know what they’re talking about.

Surely you get that, right?!

It’s literally not about Bauer at this point. I’m calling out people who are way too comfortable basing their opinions on fake news… who can’t come to grips with that and show some accountability.

Willful ignorance is really aggravating and your posture here is exhibit 1A. There are so many people that face injustices because of thinking like yours. Your acceptance of made up narratives and follow up of “tough [shirt], happens to a lot of people” should never be something people are comfortable with. It’s arguments like these that keep the Curtis Flowers and Walter McMillians of the world down when they did nothing to deserve it.

It’s gross.

Lol comparing a rich white ahole who lost his ability to earn tens of millions more dollars, to two poor black guys who were literally imprisoned for decades due to our racist justice system.

2/3 of those are worth getting upset about...You're proving my point for me

You literally just said people get raw deals and that’s the breaks. Now you’re already pivoting. Which is it? You like truth and justice? Or you’re ok with people suffering consequences because those in power don’t care about the truth?

Cause you’re arguing both

[Absolut]

Cory booker meet Cory booker

[Melville]

The libel and sanctimony on this board is abundant.

People would do a lot better just dealing with known facts. Just because you read someone else's opinion on a news publication doesn't make it fact. It makes it their opinion.

Correct.
Political correctness and personal dislike for a player not known by a single person here trumps facts.
It is the world in which we live.

[Gob]

What has this country come to when employers and colleagues can JUST decide not to associate with a disgusting and reprehensible human being? SAD.

[icon]

The lack of knowledge on this subject is astounding.
In many employment contracts, and baseball’s CBA, the employee agrees to many policies and terms on discipline - regardless of related criminal or civil proceedings.

Under the Collective Bargaining Agreement to which he was subject to regarding his baseball rights, the league found that he violated the Domestic Violence policy - with reference to more than one woman. Bauer appealed but lost, as a three member arbitration panel found that Bauer violated the Domestic Violence and Sexual Assault policy, albeit with a “reduced sentence.” He did not appeal that - so the league’s decision that he violated the policy is final. Over. He can’t challenge the finding of a violation for MLB purposes. All other proceedings are between him and the women, civil or criminal - not MLB related.

The Domestic Violence Policy provides:
“Domestic violence is a pattern of abusive behavior in any intimate relationship that is used by one partner to gain or maintain power and control over another intimate partner.”
Notwithstanding the “pattern” requirement - “a single incident of abusive behavior in any intimate relationship … may subject a Player to discipline under this Policy.”

Yeah, it's just that the league and panel made those decisions under the assumption that the information they'd been provided was legit. The Arizona woman was indicted for felony fraud and extortion in 2024. Her testimony (known now to be completely fabricated) significantly influenced the league and panel's decisions.

They had approx 20 witnesses. You don’t get do-overs after appeals are exhausted. He’s the one who did not appeal the reduction decision.
The long You Tube on him as a player - HS to college to MLB - shows how hated he is by players and management. Who wants such a person? Trick question: we know it’s no one in MLB.
https://youtu.be/Kcne0vP4NNE?si=NDVLFYgwkZ2S41xz

Yeah, his decision not to appeal should be enough for any rational person assessing this. He's a scumbag.

[An Old Friend]

The lack of knowledge on this subject is astounding.
In many employment contracts, and baseball’s CBA, the employee agrees to many policies and terms on discipline - regardless of related criminal or civil proceedings.

Under the Collective Bargaining Agreement to which he was subject to regarding his baseball rights, the league found that he violated the Domestic Violence policy - with reference to more than one woman. Bauer appealed but lost, as a three member arbitration panel found that Bauer violated the Domestic Violence and Sexual Assault policy, albeit with a “reduced sentence.” He did not appeal that - so the league’s decision that he violated the policy is final. Over. He can’t challenge the finding of a violation for MLB purposes. All other proceedings are between him and the women, civil or criminal - not MLB related.

The Domestic Violence Policy provides:
“Domestic violence is a pattern of abusive behavior in any intimate relationship that is used by one partner to gain or maintain power and control over another intimate partner.”
Notwithstanding the “pattern” requirement - “a single incident of abusive behavior in any intimate relationship … may subject a Player to discipline under this Policy.”

Yeah, it's just that the league and panel made those decisions under the assumption that the information they'd been provided was legit. The Arizona woman was indicted for felony fraud and extortion in 2024. Her testimony (known now to be completely fabricated) significantly influenced the league and panel's decisions.

They had approx 20 witnesses. You don’t get do-overs after appeals are exhausted. He’s the one who did not appeal the reduction decision.
The long You Tube on him as a player - HS to college to MLB - shows how hated he is by players and management. Who wants such a person? Trick question: we know it’s no one in MLB.
https://youtu.be/Kcne0vP4NNE?si=NDVLFYgwkZ2S41xz

Yeah, his decision not to appeal should be enough for any rational person assessing this. He's a scumbag.

He did appeal. The arbitrator then reduced the length of his suspension and he was reinstated immediately.

He was suspended 324 games, he appealed, and it was shortened to 194 games.

Why is it that you believe he did not appeal? How'd his suspension get reduced if he didn't appeal?

Good grief, people.

[ClassicO]

The lack of knowledge on this subject is astounding.
In many employment contracts, and baseball’s CBA, the employee agrees to many policies and terms on discipline - regardless of related criminal or civil proceedings.

Under the Collective Bargaining Agreement to which he was subject to regarding his baseball rights, the league found that he violated the Domestic Violence policy - with reference to more than one woman. Bauer appealed but lost, as a three member arbitration panel found that Bauer violated the Domestic Violence and Sexual Assault policy, albeit with a “reduced sentence.” He did not appeal that - so the league’s decision that he violated the policy is final. Over. He can’t challenge the finding of a violation for MLB purposes. All other proceedings are between him and the women, civil or criminal - not MLB related.

The Domestic Violence Policy provides:
“Domestic violence is a pattern of abusive behavior in any intimate relationship that is used by one partner to gain or maintain power and control over another intimate partner.”
Notwithstanding the “pattern” requirement - “a single incident of abusive behavior in any intimate relationship … may subject a Player to discipline under this Policy.”

Yeah, it's just that the league and panel made those decisions under the assumption that the information they'd been provided was legit. The Arizona woman was indicted for felony fraud and extortion in 2024. Her testimony (known now to be completely fabricated) significantly influenced the league and panel's decisions.

They had approx 20 witnesses. You don’t get do-overs after appeals are exhausted. He’s the one who did not appeal the reduction decision.
The long You Tube on him as a player - HS to college to MLB - shows how hated he is by players and management. Who wants such a person? Trick question: we know it’s no one in MLB.
https://youtu.be/Kcne0vP4NNE?si=NDVLFYgwkZ2S41xz

Yeah, his decision not to appeal should be enough for any rational person assessing this. He's a scumbag.

He did appeal. The arbitrator then reduced the length of his suspension and he was reinstated immediately.

He was suspended 324 games, he appealed, and it was shortened to 194 games.

Why is it that you believe he did not appeal? How'd his suspension get reduced if he didn't appeal?

Good grief, people.

He appealed the ruling that he violated the Domestic Violence Policy, but, if you looked at the independent arbitrator’s ruling, Martin Scheiman upheld the violation of the policy as well as the loss of pay for 144 games in 2022 and 50 games in 2023.
Those rulings on the violation and the loss of pay could have been further appealed to a federal district court, albeit only for limited grounds. Nonetheless, if Bauer truly felt the proceedings violated fundamental fairness in the process, he could have appealed.

[An Old Friend]

He did appeal. The arbitrator then reduced the length of his suspension and he was reinstated immediately.

He was suspended 324 games, he appealed, and it was shortened to 194 games.

Why is it that you believe he did not appeal? How'd his suspension get reduced if he didn't appeal?

Good grief, people.

He appealed the ruling that he violated the Domestic Violence Policy, but, if you looked at the independent arbitrator’s ruling, Martin Scheiman upheld the violation of the policy as well as the loss of pay for 144 games in 2022 and 50 games in 2023.
Those rulings on the violation and the loss of pay could have been further appealed to a federal district court, albeit only for limited grounds. Nonetheless, if Bauer truly felt the proceedings violated fundamental fairness in the process, he could have appealed.

Yeah... at what cost and potential benefit, though? His appeal got him about $22MM back. IIRC, he was the first player to ever appeal a DV suspension and having it reduced with immediate reinstatement was a 'win'.

[ClassicO]

He did appeal. The arbitrator then reduced the length of his suspension and he was reinstated immediately.

He was suspended 324 games, he appealed, and it was shortened to 194 games.

Why is it that you believe he did not appeal? How'd his suspension get reduced if he didn't appeal?

Good grief, people.

He appealed the ruling that he violated the Domestic Violence Policy, but, if you looked at the independent arbitrator’s ruling, Martin Scheiman upheld the violation of the policy as well as the loss of pay for 144 games in 2022 and 50 games in 2023.
Those rulings on the violation and the loss of pay could have been further appealed to a federal district court, albeit only for limited grounds. Nonetheless, if Bauer truly felt the proceedings violated fundamental fairness in the process, he could have appealed.

Yeah... at what cost and potential benefit, though? His appeal got him about $22MM back. IIRC, he was the first player to ever appeal a DV suspension and having it reduced with immediate reinstatement was a 'win'.

It’s still by far the longest suspension in MLB history. It confirmed the violation and cost him many millions. How is that a “win?!” It set him up to never play in MLB again.

Look, I have no idea what really happened with any of these women, and I don’t think anybody does. My only point was to clarify that this was a CBA matter, and the criminal and civil forums don’t matter except between him and the women. He has also been deemed even more of a pariah as a teammate. Example: “Hey honey, I’m going out with Trevor tonight so I’ll be out late!”
Why would any major league player want to have that conversation with his wife?

[An Old Friend]

He did appeal. The arbitrator then reduced the length of his suspension and he was reinstated immediately.

He was suspended 324 games, he appealed, and it was shortened to 194 games.

Why is it that you believe he did not appeal? How'd his suspension get reduced if he didn't appeal?

Good grief, people.

He appealed the ruling that he violated the Domestic Violence Policy, but, if you looked at the independent arbitrator’s ruling, Martin Scheiman upheld the violation of the policy as well as the loss of pay for 144 games in 2022 and 50 games in 2023.
Those rulings on the violation and the loss of pay could have been further appealed to a federal district court, albeit only for limited grounds. Nonetheless, if Bauer truly felt the proceedings violated fundamental fairness in the process, he could have appealed.

Yeah... at what cost and potential benefit, though? His appeal got him about $22MM back. IIRC, he was the first player to ever appeal a DV suspension and having it reduced with immediate reinstatement was a 'win'.

It’s still by far the longest suspension in MLB history. It confirmed the violation and cost him many millions. How is that a “win?!” It set him up to never play in MLB again.

Look, I have no idea what really happened with any of these women, and I don’t think anybody does.

Well, we do know what happened because the transcripts are available.

We know he banged Darcy Esemonu. We know Esemonu then faked a pregnancy and lied about having an abortion in order to extort money from Bauer. When that didn't work, she doubled down... which is why she was indicted on charges for felony fraud and extortion.

We know that Lindsey Hill got bounced from the Pad Squad for hooking up with both Fernando Tatis Jr and Mike Clevinger, and she learned from Clevinger that Bauer had some kink. She then set out to sabotage Bauer and the Dodgers, get paid, and get herself back in the good graces of the Pad Squad. None of that really worked out for her other than sabotaging Bauer.

One of the girls in Ohio showed up to Bauer's house inebriated and hit him because he'd cut things off. He called the police and she was arrested. Once Bauer was in the spotlight, she alleged misdeeds but then backtracked and faded into the darkness.

My only point was to clarify that this was a CBA matter, and the criminal and civil forums don’t matter except between him and the women. He has also been deemed even more of a pariah as a teammate. Example: “Hey honey, I’m going out with Trevor tonight so I’ll be out late!”
Why would any major league player want to have that conversation with his wife?

Yeah, I get it. Bauer has always been a social outcast. I've never suggested otherwise - I just get a little fired up when I see people basing their arguments and opinions on complete falsehoods.