Trevor Bauer on Monday wins in court, he wins on the field why

[An Old Friend]

I wonder if things will get even more interesting come July when Julio Urias second domestic violence suspension is up? Is he going to receive the same treatment? The league is already employing a few well known domestic violence abusers.

Another thought, I wonder if Bauer had an agent, and that agent could sue claiming financial harm as well?

Maybe a team that already employs a domestic violence abuser will sign them both and add a great 1 2 knockout punch. Seems like the price will be right.

Urias was arrested, charged, and convicted.

[passthebuck]

I wonder if things will get even more interesting come July when Julio Urias second domestic violence suspension is up? Is he going to receive the same treatment? The league is already employing a few well known domestic violence abusers.

Another thought, I wonder if Bauer had an agent, and that agent could sue claiming financial harm as well?

Maybe a team that already employs a domestic violence abuser will sign them both and add a great 1 2 knockout punch. Seems like the price will be right.

Urias was arrested, charged, and convicted.

Exactly. If he is offered a contract, then what?

[3dender]

So things only happen if they are a crime and the person gets arrested or charged? Is that really your threshold for knowing whether something happened or not? Cause if so I feel like you may be missing out on a lot of knowledge.

So, you can prove that things you stated as facts are indeed facts?

Photo evidence of a beating + other allegations of similar behavior + Bauer never denying he beats women to get off... that math adds up to a fact in my mind.

The only thing Bauer ever denied was the issue of consent... he never denied beating women to get off.

[An Old Friend]

So things only happen if they are a crime and the person gets arrested or charged? Is that really your threshold for knowing whether something happened or not? Cause if so I feel like you may be missing out on a lot of knowledge.

So, you can prove that things you stated as facts are indeed facts?

Photo evidence of a beating + other allegations of similar behavior + Bauer never denying he beats women to get off... that math adds up to a fact in my mind.

The only thing Bauer ever denied was the issue of consent... he never denied beating women to get off.

You’ve referenced repeatedly additional allegations. Why haven’t you acknowledged those allegations as fraudulent?

I’m curious as to why you won’t answer that.

[Ozziesfan41]

The bottom line is MLB can’t force a team to sign a player and no one else can force a team to sign a player. The woman lied and it was a bogus claim but it doenst change the fact that Bauer has caused problems for every team he’s ever played for and no team wants to touch him because of it and if Barry bonds who had a much better case for collusion lost his case no chance Bauer would win

[3dender]

So things only happen if they are a crime and the person gets arrested or charged? Is that really your threshold for knowing whether something happened or not? Cause if so I feel like you may be missing out on a lot of knowledge.

So, you can prove that things you stated as facts are indeed facts?

Photo evidence of a beating + other allegations of similar behavior + Bauer never denying he beats women to get off... that math adds up to a fact in my mind.

The only thing Bauer ever denied was the issue of consent... he never denied beating women to get off.

You’ve referenced repeatedly additional allegations. Why haven’t you acknowledged those allegations as fraudulent?

I’m curious as to why you won’t answer that.

You've repeatedly referenced one set of allegations that was fraudulent in the sense that it wasn't proved to be consensual, even though the beating did actually happen.

Are you saying all the other allegations have been found fraudulent as well? I'd love to see those reports if you can share.

[An Old Friend]

So things only happen if they are a crime and the person gets arrested or charged? Is that really your threshold for knowing whether something happened or not? Cause if so I feel like you may be missing out on a lot of knowledge.

So, you can prove that things you stated as facts are indeed facts?

Photo evidence of a beating + other allegations of similar behavior + Bauer never denying he beats women to get off... that math adds up to a fact in my mind.

The only thing Bauer ever denied was the issue of consent... he never denied beating women to get off.

You’ve referenced repeatedly additional allegations. Why haven’t you acknowledged those allegations as fraudulent?

I’m curious as to why you won’t answer that.

You've repeatedly referenced one set of allegations that was fraudulent in the sense that it wasn't proved to be consensual, even though the beating did actually happen.

Are you saying all the other allegations have been found fraudulent as well? I'd love to see those reports if you can share.

Honestly, how is it possible that you don’t know about this?! Blows my mind how willfully ignorant people choose to be.

https://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/399 ... ud-arizona

[3dender]

So things only happen if they are a crime and the person gets arrested or charged? Is that really your threshold for knowing whether something happened or not? Cause if so I feel like you may be missing out on a lot of knowledge.

So, you can prove that things you stated as facts are indeed facts?

Photo evidence of a beating + other allegations of similar behavior + Bauer never denying he beats women to get off... that math adds up to a fact in my mind.

The only thing Bauer ever denied was the issue of consent... he never denied beating women to get off.

You’ve referenced repeatedly additional allegations. Why haven’t you acknowledged those allegations as fraudulent?

I’m curious as to why you won’t answer that.

You've repeatedly referenced one set of allegations that was fraudulent in the sense that it wasn't proved to be consensual, even though the beating did actually happen.

Are you saying all the other allegations have been found fraudulent as well? I'd love to see those reports if you can share.

Honestly, how is it possible that you don’t know about this?! Blows my mind how willfully ignorant people choose to be.

https://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/399 ... ud-arizona

Has it occurred to you that people don't care about this as much as you do, and don't want to spend that much time thinking about it? It is a very weird hill to die on.

[Absolut]

[desertrat23]

So things only happen if they are a crime and the person gets arrested or charged? Is that really your threshold for knowing whether something happened or not? Cause if so I feel like you may be missing out on a lot of knowledge.

So, you can prove that things you stated as facts are indeed facts?

Photo evidence of a beating + other allegations of similar behavior + Bauer never denying he beats women to get off... that math adds up to a fact in my mind.

The only thing Bauer ever denied was the issue of consent... he never denied beating women to get off.

You’ve referenced repeatedly additional allegations. Why haven’t you acknowledged those allegations as fraudulent?

I’m curious as to why you won’t answer that.

You've repeatedly referenced one set of allegations that was fraudulent in the sense that it wasn't proved to be consensual, even though the beating did actually happen.

Are you saying all the other allegations have been found fraudulent as well? I'd love to see those reports if you can share.

Honestly, how is it possible that you don’t know about this?! Blows my mind how willfully ignorant people choose to be.

https://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/399 ... ud-arizona

Has it occurred to you that people don't care about this as much as you do, and don't want to spend that much time thinking about it? It is a very weird hill to die on.

It's amazing that anyone would care about this. One less jackass in baseball. We'll live.

[An Old Friend]

So things only happen if they are a crime and the person gets arrested or charged? Is that really your threshold for knowing whether something happened or not? Cause if so I feel like you may be missing out on a lot of knowledge.

So, you can prove that things you stated as facts are indeed facts?

Photo evidence of a beating + other allegations of similar behavior + Bauer never denying he beats women to get off... that math adds up to a fact in my mind.

The only thing Bauer ever denied was the issue of consent... he never denied beating women to get off.

You’ve referenced repeatedly additional allegations. Why haven’t you acknowledged those allegations as fraudulent?

I’m curious as to why you won’t answer that.

You've repeatedly referenced one set of allegations that was fraudulent in the sense that it wasn't proved to be consensual, even though the beating did actually happen.

Are you saying all the other allegations have been found fraudulent as well? I'd love to see those reports if you can share.

Honestly, how is it possible that you don’t know about this?! Blows my mind how willfully ignorant people choose to be.

https://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/399 ... ud-arizona

Has it occurred to you that people don't care about this as much as you do, and don't want to spend that much time thinking about it? It is a very weird hill to die on.

Just to be clear... since you won't be...

This is you acknowledging that you didn't know about this.
This is you acknowledging that you've been arguing from a position of ignorance.
This is you insulting me instead of showing any accountability.

Maybe say thanks for the information instead of doubling down on dooooochery?

Just a thought. It's not my fault that you've chosen to not know what you're talking about.

[ClassicO]

The lack of knowledge on this subject is astounding.
In many employment contracts, and baseball’s CBA, the employee agrees to many policies and terms on discipline - regardless of related criminal or civil proceedings.

Under the Collective Bargaining Agreement to which he was subject to regarding his baseball rights, the league found that he violated the Domestic Violence policy - with reference to more than one woman. Bauer appealed but lost, as a three member arbitration panel found that Bauer violated the Domestic Violence and Sexual Assault policy, albeit with a “reduced sentence.” He did not appeal that - so the league’s decision that he violated the policy is final. Over. He can’t challenge the finding of a violation for MLB purposes. All other proceedings are between him and the women, civil or criminal - not MLB related.

The Domestic Violence Policy provides:
“Domestic violence is a pattern of abusive behavior in any intimate relationship that is used by one partner to gain or maintain power and control over another intimate partner.”
Notwithstanding the “pattern” requirement - “a single incident of abusive behavior in any intimate relationship … may subject a Player to discipline under this Policy.”

[An Old Friend]

The lack of knowledge on this subject is astounding.
In many employment contracts, and baseball’s CBA, the employee agrees to many policies and terms on discipline - regardless of related criminal or civil proceedings.

Under the Collective Bargaining Agreement to which he was subject to regarding his baseball rights, the league found that he violated the Domestic Violence policy - with reference to more than one woman. Bauer appealed but lost, as a three member arbitration panel found that Bauer violated the Domestic Violence and Sexual Assault policy, albeit with a “reduced sentence.” He did not appeal that - so the league’s decision that he violated the policy is final. Over. He can’t challenge the finding of a violation for MLB purposes. All other proceedings are between him and the women, civil or criminal - not MLB related.

The Domestic Violence Policy provides:
“Domestic violence is a pattern of abusive behavior in any intimate relationship that is used by one partner to gain or maintain power and control over another intimate partner.”
Notwithstanding the “pattern” requirement - “a single incident of abusive behavior in any intimate relationship … may subject a Player to discipline under this Policy.”

Yeah, it's just that the league and panel made those decisions under the assumption that the information they'd been provided was legit. The Arizona woman was indicted for felony fraud and extortion in 2024. Her testimony (known now to be completely fabricated) significantly influenced the league and panel's decisions.

[ICCFIM2]

So things only happen if they are a crime and the person gets arrested or charged? Is that really your threshold for knowing whether something happened or not? Cause if so I feel like you may be missing out on a lot of knowledge.

So, you can prove that things you stated as facts are indeed facts?

Photo evidence of a beating + other allegations of similar behavior + Bauer never denying he beats women to get off... that math adds up to a fact in my mind.

The only thing Bauer ever denied was the issue of consent... he never denied beating women to get off.

You’ve referenced repeatedly additional allegations. Why haven’t you acknowledged those allegations as fraudulent?

I’m curious as to why you won’t answer that.

You've repeatedly referenced one set of allegations that was fraudulent in the sense that it wasn't proved to be consensual, even though the beating did actually happen.

Are you saying all the other allegations have been found fraudulent as well? I'd love to see those reports if you can share.

Honestly, how is it possible that you don’t know about this?! Blows my mind how willfully ignorant people choose to be.

https://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/399 ... ud-arizona

Sorry to butt into this late. But, how do you know for certain these things? I have been on the boards of two different organizations that ended up in public scandals. When you read the public comments on these types of scandals as well as the news articles you realize how factually far off base most of the public information is. Having said that, even after having access to depositions, evidence and other information not publicly available, you also realize at best you know a fraction of the real truth even though you have access to 1000 times more information than the public.

Convictions are hard to get in these types of cases for a variety of reasons we don't need to go into here. But in most of these cases, it is clear the activities of the perpetrator are not actions that organizations want to be associated with, convicted or not. That is the first reason why Trevor Bauer is not being signed, not guilty does not mean nothing happened. Second, if you do sign him and something happens, the person responsible for signing him is going to lose their job and the organization will be raked over the coals for doing so. The fallout would be massive. Given how long he has been out of MLB, his potential upside is murky at best. The downside is enormous. If you are a team, an executive, etc., why would you take the risk of signing him? You just don't sign him because the risk reward ratio does not allow for it.

While it is unfortunate for Trevor Bauer, it was also his own actions that got him in this situation. Given all the training given on harassment, contract clauses on good behavior etc., you just have to know better. If you don't, there are consequences to bad behavior. Some types of bad behavior are never forgiven such as this because the fallout if it happens again is just too great for the employer to go down that road. I don't think this situation is more complicated than that.

[Cusecards]

1) I admit to NOT having researched the Bauer situation(s).
2) Have ZERO idea as to his guilt or innocence?

What amazes me? Why is he still a hot topic on this forum???
SMH

[ClassicO]

The lack of knowledge on this subject is astounding.
In many employment contracts, and baseball’s CBA, the employee agrees to many policies and terms on discipline - regardless of related criminal or civil proceedings.

Under the Collective Bargaining Agreement to which he was subject to regarding his baseball rights, the league found that he violated the Domestic Violence policy - with reference to more than one woman. Bauer appealed but lost, as a three member arbitration panel found that Bauer violated the Domestic Violence and Sexual Assault policy, albeit with a “reduced sentence.” He did not appeal that - so the league’s decision that he violated the policy is final. Over. He can’t challenge the finding of a violation for MLB purposes. All other proceedings are between him and the women, civil or criminal - not MLB related.

The Domestic Violence Policy provides:
“Domestic violence is a pattern of abusive behavior in any intimate relationship that is used by one partner to gain or maintain power and control over another intimate partner.”
Notwithstanding the “pattern” requirement - “a single incident of abusive behavior in any intimate relationship … may subject a Player to discipline under this Policy.”

Yeah, it's just that the league and panel made those decisions under the assumption that the information they'd been provided was legit. The Arizona woman was indicted for felony fraud and extortion in 2024. Her testimony (known now to be completely fabricated) significantly influenced the league and panel's decisions.

They had approx 20 witnesses. You don’t get do-overs after appeals are exhausted. He’s the one who did not appeal the reduction decision.
The long You Tube on him as a player - HS to college to MLB - shows how hated he is by players and management. Who wants such a person? Trick question: we know it’s no one in MLB.
https://youtu.be/Kcne0vP4NNE?si=NDVLFYgwkZ2S41xz