Can Gorman turn it around?

[JDW]

I'm optimistic he can turn it around, and also frustrated he's not getting more AB's.

[IndCard75]

Personally I think playing time should be more spread around to get Gorman more at bats. For example
One day a week start Noot CF and sit Scott.
Two days a week sit Arenado.
One day a week sit Noot.
I just don’t see the necessity to play those three almost every day.

[AtillaTheBlue1]

No, bad backs+big builds are a bad combo

Anyone who's played or watched sports knows this.

[Melville]

Last 10 starts: .273/.359/.424

39 PA
9 for 33
0 2B
1 3B
1 HR
3 RBI
4 runs
5 BB-11 K

Chase rate- 23.6% (career low)
Zone Contact%- 86.8% (career high)
Contact%- 74.5% (career high)
Swinging Strike% - 11.5% (career low)
Opposite field%- 26.9% (career high)
K%- 27.7% (career low)
BB%- 12.5% (career high)

Excellent work - good post.
I have been saying for weeks that nearly all of the underlying metrics are improved and that all he needs is consistent playing time.

[Melville]

I'm optimistic he can turn it around, and also frustrated he's not getting more AB's.

Correct on both counts!

[renostl]

Gorman has to force them to get him more at bats. I love all the improvements in all his peripheral numbers. But hits are what's going to get him playing time. Last night was a good start.

The good news is it seems like the hits are starting to come. He has hits in 7 of his last 9 starts. 5 of those 9 were multiple times on base starts as well.

Hope he can continue it and make it really interesting with him and Walker perking up a little bit.

I have an issue with "has to force them to get him more ABs"... as you show he's been hitting more yet has only gotten 6 starts since May 10th.

Also, even regular players doing well, and even proven players have 0fer games, sometimes a couple a week. Yet when Gorman does he can be pretty sure he'll not get another start for 4 or 5 days at least. It takes a really special player to be able to perform under those conditions, and there are plenty of good-to-great players in the history of the league who could never do that.

The Cards seem to be in the process of proving to themselves the former (he's not a really special player) but then interpreting it as the latter (he's not great or even good).

I Gorman wil get his opportunity. I don't think there's any kind of conspiracy against him. If he played right field instead of the infield, he already would be getting more pt.

I don't think nor did I mean to imply there was a conspiracy.

I just don't think enough people are recognizing the ridiculously high pressure situation he is being forced to perform in, and those people are also making sweeping conclusions about his long-term ability based on his performance in that high pressure situation.

Even Walker, who was in a similar situation at the beginning of the season, has had a far longer leash to fail this season so far. Gorman has been outperforming him by both WAR and OPS basically the entire season, yet he has received only 65% as many PAs.

We are in agreement and you make good points. Gorman, and to a lesser extent Saggesse, are the guys whose developement has suffered because of the Cardinals inability to move Arenado. Let's hope he is moved at the deadline.

Seems like an injury would need to happen for NA to be wanted by some team.

[Melville]

Gorman has to force them to get him more at bats. I love all the improvements in all his peripheral numbers. But hits are what's going to get him playing time. Last night was a good start.

The good news is it seems like the hits are starting to come. He has hits in 7 of his last 9 starts. 5 of those 9 were multiple times on base starts as well.

Hope he can continue it and make it really interesting with him and Walker perking up a little bit.

I have an issue with "has to force them to get him more ABs"... as you show he's been hitting more yet has only gotten 6 starts since May 10th.

Also, even regular players doing well, and even proven players have 0fer games, sometimes a couple a week. Yet when Gorman does he can be pretty sure he'll not get another start for 4 or 5 days at least. It takes a really special player to be able to perform under those conditions, and there are plenty of good-to-great players in the history of the league who could never do that.

The Cards seem to be in the process of proving to themselves the former (he's not a really special player) but then interpreting it as the latter (he's not great or even good).

I Gorman wil get his opportunity. I don't think there's any kind of conspiracy against him. If he played right field instead of the infield, he already would be getting more pt.

I don't think nor did I mean to imply there was a conspiracy.

I just don't think enough people are recognizing the ridiculously high pressure situation he is being forced to perform in, and those people are also making sweeping conclusions about his long-term ability based on his performance in that high pressure situation.

Even Walker, who was in a similar situation at the beginning of the season, has had a far longer leash to fail this season so far. Gorman has been outperforming him by both WAR and OPS basically the entire season, yet he has received only 65% as many PAs.

We are in agreement and you make good points. Gorman, and to a lesser extent Saggesse, are the guys whose developement has suffered because of the Cardinals inability to move Arenado. Let's hope he is moved at the deadline.

Seems like an injury would need to happen for NA to be wanted by some team.

An injury - or DeWitt gagging on enough money to make a move happen.

[Melville]

Last 10 starts: .273/.359/.424

39 PA
9 for 33
0 2B
1 3B
1 HR
3 RBI
4 runs
5 BB-11 K

Chase rate- 23.6% (career low)
Zone Contact%- 86.8% (career high)
Contact%- 74.5% (career high)
Swinging Strike% - 11.5% (career low)
Opposite field%- 26.9% (career high)
K%- 27.7% (career low)
BB%- 12.5% (career high)

Excellent work - good post.
I have been saying for weeks that nearly all of the underlying metrics are improved and that all he needs is consistent playing time.

Keep reading.
Keep learning.

[illiniriles]

Seems like he has. Kind of clogs the base paths, though, doesn't he?

[AtillaTheBlue1]

rather than listen, morons continue to argue over stats.

BAD BACKS + BIG BUILDS= BAD NOW, BAD FOR FUTURE

[Aday96]

He needs to be in the lineup 80% of the time even against lefties. His bat is such a plus to this lineup especially when he gets in a rhythm like he has the last week.

But when Walker is back I'm sure he'll be back on the bench mainly.

[Monsieur De Treville]

I think he has...

Last 15 games.....343/.395/.600/.995
For the season his OPS is now at .707.

So many want a power bat in this team. Gorman may just be that bat IF given a consistent opportunity. He just turned 25 in May and already has 63 career homers. Let him play.

[Honky Tonk Man]

I think he has...

Last 15 games.....343/.395/.600/.995
For the season his OPS is now at .707.

So many want a power bat in this team. Gorman may just be that bat IF given a consistent opportunity. He just turned 25 in May and already has 63 career homers. Let him play.

Better sign him to a 10 year extension, with numbers like that he is cooperstown bound.

[Monsieur De Treville]

I think he has...

Last 15 games.....343/.395/.600/.995
For the season his OPS is now at .707.

So many want a power bat in this team. Gorman may just be that bat IF given a consistent opportunity. He just turned 25 in May and already has 63 career homers. Let him play.

Better sign him to a 10 year extension, with numbers like that he is cooperstown bound.

Whatever you say Marshall!

[Alex Reyes Cy Young]

He’s succeeding because they are using him properly. His production would fall off a cliff if you played him everyday. He would end us hurting the team but bringing him in against certain profiled pitchers and limiting his PAs is the best thing they can do for him.

This way if they decide to move on his stock has rallied and they should be able to get something solid back. If not oh well he’s a part time power bat capable of doing damage and helping this team.

[3dender]

He’s succeeding because they are using him properly. His production would fall off a cliff if you played him everyday. He would end us hurting the team but bringing him in against certain profiled pitchers and limiting his PAs is the best thing they can do for him.

This way if they decide to move on his stock has rallied and they should be able to get something solid back. If not oh well he’s a part time power bat capable of doing damage and helping this team.

Convenient and unfalsifiable position.

I have just as much proof that if Oli would have given him more starts sooner that he would have already been hitting homeruns. Instead he was given 6 starts in almost 4 weeks from May 8th to June 2nd. And all that while getting at least 1 hit in 13 of the 14 games started since May 5th.