When the collective bargaining agreement ends after 2026

[ScotchMIrish]

NL owners need to get rid of the DH. The experiment has failed. Attendance is down. TV deal collapsing due to viewership.

I doubt they are smart enough to do it or tough enough to stand up to the unions.

[rbirules]

You think that is all, or at least primarily, due to the existence of the NL adopting the DH? I think they have much bigger fish to fry than the DH, starting with competitive balance.

[An Old Friend]

NL owners need to get rid of the DH. The experiment has failed. Attendance is down. TV deal collapsing due to viewership.

I doubt they are smart enough to do it or tough enough to stand up to the unions.

Not happening. Pitchers don’t want to hit. Owners don’t want their pitchers to hit. Majority of fans don’t want to see pitchers hitting. TV deal and viewership has nothing to do with the DH.

You need a different hill.

[greyhawk]

the biggest issue is not having a salary cap similar to the other pro sports leagues --- when the dodgers (and others) can buy everyone they want and gladly pay the luxury tax there is a huge problem.

[ramfandan]

That ship has sailed. DH stays. As mentioned earlier, today’s young/middle age do not want to see pitchers bat.
From players side , The DH means 15 good salaried players. They are not agreeing to eliminating those $$$.

[cardinalsfever44]

I was somewhat against the DH coming to the NL, but now that we've had it for awhile, I'm fine with it. Watching pitchers bat was never fun.

[AZ_Cardsfan]

There will be only one - issue. Competitive balance. They MUST figure out a way for smaller market teams to at least pretend they can build a team and win a WS title on occasion. As it stands there is no reason for a 5 year old boy in Pittsburgh to dream of his favorite Pirates player allstar and expect him to be on the team for life and lead them to a title.

Prediction - there WILL be a work stoppage. There WILL be major moves to make it more competitive. It WILL fall short of where it needs to go.

As for DH no one cares.

[ScotchMIrish]

You think that is all, or at least primarily, due to the existence of the NL adopting the DH? I think they have much bigger fish to fry than the DH, starting with competitive balance.

It's a big part of it.

[ScotchMIrish]

There will be only one - issue. Competitive balance. They MUST figure out a way for smaller market teams to at least pretend they can build a team and win a WS title on occasion. As it stands there is no reason for a 5 year old boy in Pittsburgh to dream of his favorite Pirates player allstar and expect him to be on the team for life and lead them to a title.

Prediction - there WILL be a work stoppage. There WILL be major moves to make it more competitive. It WILL fall short of where it needs to go.

As for DH no one cares.

There has never been a salary cap in MLB. Attendance isn't down due to that. National League is playing American League baseball. Boring. Static. Repetitive.

[cardinalsfever44]

There will be only one - issue. Competitive balance. They MUST figure out a way for smaller market teams to at least pretend they can build a team and win a WS title on occasion. As it stands there is no reason for a 5 year old boy in Pittsburgh to dream of his favorite Pirates player allstar and expect him to be on the team for life and lead them to a title.

Prediction - there WILL be a work stoppage. There WILL be major moves to make it more competitive. It WILL fall short of where it needs to go.

As for DH no one cares.

There has never been a salary cap in MLB. Attendance isn't down due to that. National League is playing American League baseball. Boring. Static. Repetitive.

You really think people aren't watching baseball because pitchers aren't batting? Wow.

[greyhawk]

There will be only one - issue. Competitive balance. They MUST figure out a way for smaller market teams to at least pretend they can build a team and win a WS title on occasion. As it stands there is no reason for a 5 year old boy in Pittsburgh to dream of his favorite Pirates player allstar and expect him to be on the team for life and lead them to a title.

Prediction - there WILL be a work stoppage. There WILL be major moves to make it more competitive. It WILL fall short of where it needs to go.

As for DH no one cares.

There has never been a salary cap in MLB. Attendance isn't down due to that. National League is playing American League baseball. Boring. Static. Repetitive.

You really think people aren't watching baseball because pitchers aren't batting? Wow.

i agree with you --- but you know what is great about this country is we are all allowed our opinion and the right to share it.

[An Old Friend]

There will be only one - issue. Competitive balance. They MUST figure out a way for smaller market teams to at least pretend they can build a team and win a WS title on occasion. As it stands there is no reason for a 5 year old boy in Pittsburgh to dream of his favorite Pirates player allstar and expect him to be on the team for life and lead them to a title.

Prediction - there WILL be a work stoppage. There WILL be major moves to make it more competitive. It WILL fall short of where it needs to go.

As for DH no one cares.

There has never been a salary cap in MLB. Attendance isn't down due to that. National League is playing American League baseball. Boring. Static. Repetitive.

I get that you’re being serious… you’re basically dead wrong about the problems baseball has.

If you don’t understand that the economics of baseball is the absolute biggest threat to the sport, there’s no helping you. You don’t want to listen.

[3dender]

Salary floor is way more important than a salary cap... why should we be more worried about the Dodgers and Mets spending so much money than we are about Marlins, Nats, Pirates and A's owners pocketing tens of millions per year?

[imadangman]

The problem is teams like Miami, the A's, and many others have financial problems to where they cannot afford to make an honest attempt at contention. The DH has nothing to do with that.

Just imagine the revenue differences for big/small market teams.

Imagine a typical Marlins home game. What's the ticket price 10 bucks? What about a Yankee game. Probably 100 bucks a ticket. And then you're talking about a sellout crowd vs <10,000. For 81 games. And then think about the additional money the fans are spending on food/bev, merch/jerseys etc at the game.

The revenue differences between the two teams must be just massive.

This is what has to be looked at in the next CBA. I don't know what they're gonna do. The fact that two teams are playing in minor league stadiums right now with no plan in site for 2026+ is a black eye on the league.

[Ozziesfan41]

lol letting pitchers hit isn’t the solution to making it less boring lol watching pitchers hit was boring even the good ones still sucked

[3dender]

The problem is teams like Miami, the A's, and many others have financial problems to where they cannot afford to make an honest attempt at contention. The DH has nothing to do with that.

Just imagine the revenue differences for big/small market teams.

Imagine a typical Marlins home game. What's the ticket price 10 bucks? What about a Yankee game. Probably 100 bucks a ticket. And then you're talking about a sellout crowd vs <10,000. For 81 games. And then think about the additional money the fans are spending on food/bev, merch/jerseys etc at the game.

The revenue differences between the two teams must be just massive.

This is what has to be looked at in the next CBA. I don't know what they're gonna do. The fact that two teams are playing in minor league stadiums right now with no plan in site for 2026+ is a black eye on the league.

They can afford it the owners just pocket the revenue.