HorseTrader wrote: ↑27 May 2025 07:40 am
Ok sorry this deal is causing problems. Fact is when I was making the offer something came up that distracted me. As a result I ask for Cade Smith instead of a different pitcher. However I made the mistake, far as Im concerned the deal stands as is. It's not a bad deal. I needed a better starting pitcher worse then I needed a relief guy.
In my opinion it's a more even trade then some that have been proposed to me. Matt if you want to cancel the trade, no hard feelings but I'm fine with it as i
If it gets vetoed by anyone, again no hard feelings. This is a better deal then some that have been sent to me.
update- Munoz for Cade, with what I've got does anyone think I was going stay high in the saves catergory? Soon as Munoz cooled off I would have dropped like a rock. This is really
Abbott for Munoz
McLain for Altuve
Cade Smith for Garcia
I think Abbott gives me a chance to pickup points in wins, Ks, and QS while losing in saves. Smith for Garcia is almost a who cares but I think Smith's numbers will be better then Garcia's by end of year. Altuve could make this a bad deal for me IF he turns it around, on the other hand McLain could be the one who turns his year around, that makes McLain for Altuve a gamble for both of us.
Again do what you think is right, if you veto it, no hard feelings.
Fernando Cruz = Garcia?
Sorry Cruz not Garcia, veto it or don't, your choice.
It takes 5 votes to veto a trade, a number I’m starting to think should be lower. With more consideration, you might veto it yourself.
Who was the player you meant to include in your offer? You said there was a distraction…
Had to have been Juan Soto and he just clicked on the wrong box with a name that starts with S.
There you go. It doesn't really matter. Some or all of you have wives. I have a great one but sometimes, it's like the sky if falling and has to be fixed yesterday. Know what I mean? Not often but it can be a distraction. All I'll say is it was a different pitcher.
I traded a 35 year old Altuve, 35 year old setup guy Cruz, and young very good closer Munoz who is probably pitching a little over his head (he's probably not going to have zero ERA for the year) for a good young pitcher Abbott who is probably pitching a little over his head, a good young reliever (Smith) who will maybe pickup a few wins/saves, and good young infielder (McLain) who's struggling to come back from a year of injury. Now you think he's going to do a DeJong and have one good year and fail completely, then this is probably a bad deal for me.
Anyway, it's all good. We'll see at end of year how this deal works out.
Mainly, I think I’m buried and it doesn’t matter what trades I make. I honestly don’t think my team talent is that of the last place team, but what do I know?
I’m not looking to ship off my top players just to make another team better.
Old friend, you had a really good offer but at the same time I feel like I’m screwed anyway so what’s the point? Plus you were asking for my top two draft picks in exchange for one first rounder and two other guys that were drafted way later. Now I understand at this point you might not care where they were drafted, but I still consider that.
I definitely don’t feel the need to trade a top closer for a starter who is middling right now, and albeit under performing. I’ve gotten a few of those this season.
mattmitchl44 wrote: ↑25 May 2025 19:38 pm
New trade up:
Altuve, Munoz, and F. Cruz for McLain, Abbott, and C. Smith.
FWIW - after exploring other options, Trader offered me that deal and I accepted.
That’s an awful deal.
Altuve (4th round pick) PLUS the highest ranked closer in fantasy for sub-.200 hitting Matt McLain (6th rounder), a NON-CLOSER in Cade Smith, and a waiver wire pitcher?
1. Traded… dude, c’mon. What are you doing?
2. Full disclosure - I’ve vetoed for now.
I can’t see any justification for this trade.
Trader will have to explain his exact reasoning, but I expect part of it has to with how good Abbott (Yahoo ranks him 86th most valuable so far - 1.77 ERA, 1.16 WHIP, 4 wins, 2 QS, and 45 K in 40 2/3 IP) has been. He may possibly be figuring in that Altuve's xBA (.232) and xSLG (.354) don't necessarily bode well (McLain's are xBA .217 and xSLG .399).
He should’ve gotten more for Munoz alone.
He can only trade with whoever is willing to make a trade.
Is a four minute window typically the amount of time you offer and allow someone to decide something?
I probably just re-thought it if I wanted to see how other offers I had out played out first.
Then don’t send the offer in the first place. That’s what the evaluate trade button is for.
It just gives you information. You can use that to craft your own offer back to me.
I don’t think that’s normally how people make deals. Also the players were then involved in another deal immediately, so I couldn’t do that.
I’m just saying man, it’s a very weird way of operating.
Ok. I've had people offer me deals and then think better of it and cancel the offer. Again, all re-thinking and canceling the offer means, IMO, is that you can't immediately act on it. If you see the cancelled offer and it intrigues you, feel free to offer it back and/or make a slightly different offer.
The cancelled offer just means it's at least in the ballpark of something I'd consider.
Fair enough and I’ve done that myself from time to time so I probably shouldnt knock you too much.
But in that scenario, the players that you offered are normally the ones that would get the conversation started. If they’re involved in another deal right away, makes it difficult to work something out, at least from the perspective of the team that the trade was initially offered to.
DJ Davis wrote: ↑29 May 2025 16:47 pm
Mainly, I think I’m buried and it doesn’t matter what trades I make. I honestly don’t think my team talent is that of the last place team, but what do I know?
I’m not looking to ship off my top players just to make another team better.
Old friend, you had a really good offer but at the same time I feel like I’m screwed anyway so what’s the point? Plus you were asking for my top two draft picks in exchange for one first rounder and two other guys that were drafted way later. Now I understand at this point you might not care where they were drafted, but I still consider that.
I definitely don’t feel the need to trade a top closer for a starter who is middling right now, and albeit under performing. I’ve gotten a few of those this season.
You've got several guys who are under performing, especially on the hitting side. At some point guys like Santander and Walker will settle in and explode.
Then you have guy Patrick Corbin, man he must have really hated being in DC. How else can his career be explained?
IF, ok big if, your hitters get hot, you can up points pretty easy. Early in the year. I some really hot hitters and jumped out to leads in some of the hitting cats but once they cooled off.....I fell back. I'm confident they will get hot again. Anyway you are close enough in some catergories that you could gain several points in a week. Can ask why you have Kyle Stowers on the bench?
Good luck, you have better team then it's showing.
To the 3 gentlemen that sent me trade offers I considered each in turn.
Each appear to hurt me more than they help.
Yes, need an Ace as my staff is held together with spit and glue, yet patiently waiting for some of my IL's and NA's to provide deliverance before too long.
Hence not willing to sacrifice the bulk of my offense for that Ace. I will drop like a stone in every offensive category.
SB's. Can't lead in em, yet can't afford to swap my primary SB guy for a guy with none. Looking to add SB's myself not shed em.
Same deal goes for dealing a Closer. Can't afford to. You would need to knock me over with an offer to the point where I am willing to punt the Save category as that is what I would be doing .
I Thank each of you for your kind offers. But must pass at this time.
DJ Davis wrote: ↑29 May 2025 16:47 pm
Mainly, I think I’m buried and it doesn’t matter what trades I make. I honestly don’t think my team talent is that of the last place team, but what do I know?
I’m not looking to ship off my top players just to make another team better.
Old friend, you had a really good offer but at the same time I feel like I’m screwed anyway so what’s the point? Plus you were asking for my top two draft picks in exchange for one first rounder and two other guys that were drafted way later. Now I understand at this point you might not care where they were drafted, but I still consider that.
I definitely don’t feel the need to trade a top closer for a starter who is middling right now, and albeit under performing. I’ve gotten a few of those this season.
You've got several guys who are under performing, especially on the hitting side. At some point guys like Santander and Walker will settle in and explode.
Then you have guy Patrick Corbin, man he must have really hated being in DC. How else can his career be explained?
IF, ok big if, your hitters get hot, you can up points pretty easy. Early in the year. I some really hot hitters and jumped out to leads in some of the hitting cats but once they cooled off.....I fell back. I'm confident they will get hot again. Anyway you are close enough in some catergories that you could gain several points in a week. Can ask why you have Kyle Stowers on the bench?
Good luck, you have better team then it's showing.
Thanks dude. I think you’re right. I think I have to start doing better at some point.. regarding Stowers normally I’ve been starting him, so maybe that day I just forgot to put him in?
DJ Davis wrote: ↑29 May 2025 16:57 pm
Fair enough and I’ve done that myself from time to time so I probably shouldnt knock you too much.
But in that scenario, the players that you offered are normally the ones that would get the conversation started. If they’re involved in another deal right away, makes it difficult to work something out, at least from the perspective of the team that the trade was initially offered to.
Understand - but I find that many owners take days to respond to an offer, so if I'm trying to move a particular player quickly, I have to put out 4, 5, 6 offers involving that player just to have a chance of getting any response in 1-2 days.
Believe been awhile since north of a hundred. Not sure how I got here or for how long will be here. 4 points out of a don't look over your shoulder or I might catch ya for a show spot.
A good day. Weather sucks. Worst spring I can recall in my lifetime. Has been no spring. Going to change. Next few days. Can't wait.
Eager and open to a deal(s). Always looking for pitching. Quality starter, doesn't need to be an ace. A closer, a high inning reliever that catches a bit of this a bit of that. Will deal any with exception of Judge.
Open to 2fer or 3fer 1's.
The only offers that won't be considered are the ones not received. So get to offering.
Dazepster wrote: ↑01 Jun 2025 10:45 am
Believe been awhile since north of a hundred. Not sure how I got here or for how long will be here. 4 points out of a don't look over your shoulder or I might catch ya for a show spot.
A good day. Weather sucks. Worst spring I can recall in my lifetime. Has been no spring. Going to change. Next few days. Can't wait.
Eager and open to a deal(s). Always looking for pitching. Quality starter, doesn't need to be an ace. A closer, a high inning reliever that catches a bit of this a bit of that. Will deal any with exception of Judge.
Open to 2fer or 3fer 1's.
The only offers that won't be considered are the ones not received. So get to offering.
I'd make you an offer but when my Bassitt for King trade goes through, I'm going to be down to only 6 healthy SP (with King and McClanahan on the IL). So I can't really deal more healthy SPs right now.
There is a Premium to be paid for a Closer of his ilk.
And he may be dealing from strength and can afford to pay that Premium assuming he perceives greater value in it.
I haven't looked at the Saves category to see the impact of this, nor the resultant roster implications.
But again, a ransom for a top of the line closer with 2/3 of the season to go.
A smart play..assuming he could afford it. And I assume he can as AOF ain't no dummy.
Well, saves is the scarcest category (slightly more so than wins or QS). So each save, theoretically, is of high value. And as long as the closer is getting you >1 K per IP with a low WHIP and ERA, they are contributing there as well as they use up your IP.
There is a Premium to be paid for a Closer of his ilk.
And he may be dealing from strength and can afford to pay that Premium assuming he perceives greater value in it.
I haven't looked at the Saves category to see the impact of this, nor the resultant roster implications.
But again, a ransom for a top of the line closer with 2/3 of the season to go.
A smart play..assuming he could afford it. And I assume he can as AOF ain't no dummy.
Well, saves is the scarcest category (slightly more so than wins or QS). So each save, theoretically, is of high value. And as long as the closer is getting you >1 K per IP with a low WHIP and ERA, they are contributing there as well as they use up your IP.
Still a lot to give up, however.
With Doval taking over closer duties in SF, Walker basically becomes useless.
I agree it’s a slight overpay, but it’s (usually) tough to pry away a top closer.
