Marner to Vegas?

[skilles]

@ skilles & BTH

Obviously the only way Toronto would take back salary if it was a useful player at a fair cap hit.
It can be argued that Roy as the Leafs 3RW would be a fit because the Leafs do need to upgrade their bottom 6 but at 3 per I find it doubtful.

It seems that Tavares is coming back unless they land Bennett so they need to find a RW to replace Marner.

I find it interesting that you never hear of the Leafs upgrading their goaltending or d corps.

Stolarz is 31 and has never even played half the games in a season, yet they're counting on him to lead the way?
Playing well recently as a career backup in the regular season is one thing; being the man in the playoffs is another.
Joe Woll flashes promise and finally played 40+ this year but can he stay healthy and be the #1?

Maybe the Leafs are correct to think they're set in goal since there aren't many proven consistent stud goalies that can be counted on year after year in this current era.

I realize that the Leafs top 6 d-men are all under contract for at least 2 more years and offer good size and experience, but they can be hemmed into their own zone and are not that fleet of foot.
Can you win a Cup with your top 4 being Rielly, McCabe, Tanev, and OEL? I say no.

From the Knights POV they need to recoup some assets if they trade good players so they can flip them at the next TDL for other help.

I mentioned that Hertl had a NMC. Most big money guys do.
You never know until you ask.
He might be the Jeff O'Neill type if asked to be traded or he might utilize that clause to stay in Vegas regardless of sweeteners.

If Vegas truly wants Marner they're going to have to unload more salary than those of Karlsson or Roy.
Hertl makes more & would be coveted by many teams like Carolina, Colorado, Winnipeg, and Montreal that need a legit 2C.
The Knights won their Cup without him.

All fun conjecture.

The thought process is sign Marner then execute a trade with Vegas with Pietrangelo going the other way. They will likely still be about 4 million over the cap so Vegas might be inclined to send a Nick Roy as well.

I sincerely hope Vegas does this. Locking up 10+ million in Marner and Eichel, and 9.5 in Mark Stone is going to lead for some very longgggggggggggggggggg seasons. By that I mean, they'll have a few winning seasons, a few losing seasons, but they likely just settle into a .500 club because the defense and goaltending will be below average and won't have any signs of getting better as they have don't have a 1st rounder until 2027 and almost no prospects to speak of. Maybe they have a quality scouting team and they can consistently find gold in the later rounds (if I'm going to say the Blues can do it, so can other teams) but the odds also say that many of them won't have much of an impact.

The payment is finally coming due, and not much Gary and the NHL can do about it.

Vegas is always going to be a highly desirable landing spot for player so I'll think they will be fine but I'm still not convinced they go after Marner.

[TheJackBurton]

@ skilles & BTH

Obviously the only way Toronto would take back salary if it was a useful player at a fair cap hit.
It can be argued that Roy as the Leafs 3RW would be a fit because the Leafs do need to upgrade their bottom 6 but at 3 per I find it doubtful.

It seems that Tavares is coming back unless they land Bennett so they need to find a RW to replace Marner.

I find it interesting that you never hear of the Leafs upgrading their goaltending or d corps.

Stolarz is 31 and has never even played half the games in a season, yet they're counting on him to lead the way?
Playing well recently as a career backup in the regular season is one thing; being the man in the playoffs is another.
Joe Woll flashes promise and finally played 40+ this year but can he stay healthy and be the #1?

Maybe the Leafs are correct to think they're set in goal since there aren't many proven consistent stud goalies that can be counted on year after year in this current era.

I realize that the Leafs top 6 d-men are all under contract for at least 2 more years and offer good size and experience, but they can be hemmed into their own zone and are not that fleet of foot.
Can you win a Cup with your top 4 being Rielly, McCabe, Tanev, and OEL? I say no.

From the Knights POV they need to recoup some assets if they trade good players so they can flip them at the next TDL for other help.

I mentioned that Hertl had a NMC. Most big money guys do.
You never know until you ask.
He might be the Jeff O'Neill type if asked to be traded or he might utilize that clause to stay in Vegas regardless of sweeteners.

If Vegas truly wants Marner they're going to have to unload more salary than those of Karlsson or Roy.
Hertl makes more & would be coveted by many teams like Carolina, Colorado, Winnipeg, and Montreal that need a legit 2C.
The Knights won their Cup without him.

All fun conjecture.

The thought process is sign Marner then execute a trade with Vegas with Pietrangelo going the other way. They will likely still be about 4 million over the cap so Vegas might be inclined to send a Nick Roy as well.

I sincerely hope Vegas does this. Locking up 10+ million in Marner and Eichel, and 9.5 in Mark Stone is going to lead for some very longgggggggggggggggggg seasons. By that I mean, they'll have a few winning seasons, a few losing seasons, but they likely just settle into a .500 club because the defense and goaltending will be below average and won't have any signs of getting better as they have don't have a 1st rounder until 2027 and almost no prospects to speak of. Maybe they have a quality scouting team and they can consistently find gold in the later rounds (if I'm going to say the Blues can do it, so can other teams) but the odds also say that many of them won't have much of an impact.

The payment is finally coming due, and not much Gary and the NHL can do about it.

Vegas is always going to be a highly desirable landing spot for player so I'll think they will be fine but I'm still not convinced they go after Marner.

It can be as desired as much as any other place but when you are replacing 25 year olds with 30 year olds with long term and lots of dollars no amount of "will be fine" gets you out of that mess.

[theograce]

@ skilles & BTH

Obviously the only way Toronto would take back salary if it was a useful player at a fair cap hit.
It can be argued that Roy as the Leafs 3RW would be a fit because the Leafs do need to upgrade their bottom 6 but at 3 per I find it doubtful.

It seems that Tavares is coming back unless they land Bennett so they need to find a RW to replace Marner.

I find it interesting that you never hear of the Leafs upgrading their goaltending or d corps.

Stolarz is 31 and has never even played half the games in a season, yet they're counting on him to lead the way?
Playing well recently as a career backup in the regular season is one thing; being the man in the playoffs is another.
Joe Woll flashes promise and finally played 40+ this year but can he stay healthy and be the #1?

Maybe the Leafs are correct to think they're set in goal since there aren't many proven consistent stud goalies that can be counted on year after year in this current era.

I realize that the Leafs top 6 d-men are all under contract for at least 2 more years and offer good size and experience, but they can be hemmed into their own zone and are not that fleet of foot.
Can you win a Cup with your top 4 being Rielly, McCabe, Tanev, and OEL? I say no.

From the Knights POV they need to recoup some assets if they trade good players so they can flip them at the next TDL for other help.

I mentioned that Hertl had a NMC. Most big money guys do.
You never know until you ask.
He might be the Jeff O'Neill type if asked to be traded or he might utilize that clause to stay in Vegas regardless of sweeteners.

If Vegas truly wants Marner they're going to have to unload more salary than those of Karlsson or Roy.
Hertl makes more & would be coveted by many teams like Carolina, Colorado, Winnipeg, and Montreal that need a legit 2C.
The Knights won their Cup without him.

All fun conjecture.

The thought process is sign Marner then execute a trade with Vegas with Pietrangelo going the other way. They will likely still be about 4 million over the cap so Vegas might be inclined to send a Nick Roy as well.

I sincerely hope Vegas does this. Locking up 10+ million in Marner and Eichel, and 9.5 in Mark Stone is going to lead for some very longgggggggggggggggggg seasons. By that I mean, they'll have a few winning seasons, a few losing seasons, but they likely just settle into a .500 club because the defense and goaltending will be below average and won't have any signs of getting better as they have don't have a 1st rounder until 2027 and almost no prospects to speak of. Maybe they have a quality scouting team and they can consistently find gold in the later rounds (if I'm going to say the Blues can do it, so can other teams) but the odds also say that many of them won't have much of an impact.

The payment is finally coming due, and not much Gary and the NHL can do about it.

Vegas is always going to be a highly desirable landing spot for player so I'll think they will be fine but I'm still not convinced they go after Marner.

It can be as desired as much as any other place but when you are replacing 25 year olds with 30 year olds with long term and lots of dollars no amount of "will be fine" gets you out of that mess.

They aren’t in a mess at all. They are competitive and will make moves to try and remain that way for a few years to come

[thegibby.]

@ skilles & BTH

Obviously the only way Toronto would take back salary if it was a useful player at a fair cap hit.
It can be argued that Roy as the Leafs 3RW would be a fit because the Leafs do need to upgrade their bottom 6 but at 3 per I find it doubtful.

It seems that Tavares is coming back unless they land Bennett so they need to find a RW to replace Marner.

I find it interesting that you never hear of the Leafs upgrading their goaltending or d corps.

Stolarz is 31 and has never even played half the games in a season, yet they're counting on him to lead the way?
Playing well recently as a career backup in the regular season is one thing; being the man in the playoffs is another.
Joe Woll flashes promise and finally played 40+ this year but can he stay healthy and be the #1?

Maybe the Leafs are correct to think they're set in goal since there aren't many proven consistent stud goalies that can be counted on year after year in this current era.

I realize that the Leafs top 6 d-men are all under contract for at least 2 more years and offer good size and experience, but they can be hemmed into their own zone and are not that fleet of foot.
Can you win a Cup with your top 4 being Rielly, McCabe, Tanev, and OEL? I say no.

From the Knights POV they need to recoup some assets if they trade good players so they can flip them at the next TDL for other help.

I mentioned that Hertl had a NMC. Most big money guys do.
You never know until you ask.
He might be the Jeff O'Neill type if asked to be traded or he might utilize that clause to stay in Vegas regardless of sweeteners.

If Vegas truly wants Marner they're going to have to unload more salary than those of Karlsson or Roy.
Hertl makes more & would be coveted by many teams like Carolina, Colorado, Winnipeg, and Montreal that need a legit 2C.
The Knights won their Cup without him.

All fun conjecture.

The thought process is sign Marner then execute a trade with Vegas with Pietrangelo going the other way. They will likely still be about 4 million over the cap so Vegas might be inclined to send a Nick Roy as well.

I sincerely hope Vegas does this. Locking up 10+ million in Marner and Eichel, and 9.5 in Mark Stone is going to lead for some very longgggggggggggggggggg seasons. By that I mean, they'll have a few winning seasons, a few losing seasons, but they likely just settle into a .500 club because the defense and goaltending will be below average and won't have any signs of getting better as they have don't have a 1st rounder until 2027 and almost no prospects to speak of. Maybe they have a quality scouting team and they can consistently find gold in the later rounds (if I'm going to say the Blues can do it, so can other teams) but the odds also say that many of them won't have much of an impact.

The payment is finally coming due, and not much Gary and the NHL can do about it.

Vegas is always going to be a highly desirable landing spot for player so I'll think they will be fine but I'm still not convinced they go after Marner.

It can be as desired as much as any other place but when you are replacing 25 year olds with 30 year olds with long term and lots of dollars no amount of "will be fine" gets you out of that mess.

They aren’t in a mess at all. They are competitive and will make moves to try and remain that way for a few years to come

They're Eichel and a bunch of old and slow.

[Aesa]

@ skilles & BTH

Obviously the only way Toronto would take back salary if it was a useful player at a fair cap hit.
It can be argued that Roy as the Leafs 3RW would be a fit because the Leafs do need to upgrade their bottom 6 but at 3 per I find it doubtful.

It seems that Tavares is coming back unless they land Bennett so they need to find a RW to replace Marner.

I find it interesting that you never hear of the Leafs upgrading their goaltending or d corps.

Stolarz is 31 and has never even played half the games in a season, yet they're counting on him to lead the way?
Playing well recently as a career backup in the regular season is one thing; being the man in the playoffs is another.
Joe Woll flashes promise and finally played 40+ this year but can he stay healthy and be the #1?

Maybe the Leafs are correct to think they're set in goal since there aren't many proven consistent stud goalies that can be counted on year after year in this current era.

I realize that the Leafs top 6 d-men are all under contract for at least 2 more years and offer good size and experience, but they can be hemmed into their own zone and are not that fleet of foot.
Can you win a Cup with your top 4 being Rielly, McCabe, Tanev, and OEL? I say no.

From the Knights POV they need to recoup some assets if they trade good players so they can flip them at the next TDL for other help.

I mentioned that Hertl had a NMC. Most big money guys do.
You never know until you ask.
He might be the Jeff O'Neill type if asked to be traded or he might utilize that clause to stay in Vegas regardless of sweeteners.

If Vegas truly wants Marner they're going to have to unload more salary than those of Karlsson or Roy.
Hertl makes more & would be coveted by many teams like Carolina, Colorado, Winnipeg, and Montreal that need a legit 2C.
The Knights won their Cup without him.

All fun conjecture.

The thought process is sign Marner then execute a trade with Vegas with Pietrangelo going the other way. They will likely still be about 4 million over the cap so Vegas might be inclined to send a Nick Roy as well.

I sincerely hope Vegas does this. Locking up 10+ million in Marner and Eichel, and 9.5 in Mark Stone is going to lead for some very longgggggggggggggggggg seasons. By that I mean, they'll have a few winning seasons, a few losing seasons, but they likely just settle into a .500 club because the defense and goaltending will be below average and won't have any signs of getting better as they have don't have a 1st rounder until 2027 and almost no prospects to speak of. Maybe they have a quality scouting team and they can consistently find gold in the later rounds (if I'm going to say the Blues can do it, so can other teams) but the odds also say that many of them won't have much of an impact.

The payment is finally coming due, and not much Gary and the NHL can do about it.

Vegas is always going to be a highly desirable landing spot for player so I'll think they will be fine but I'm still not convinced they go after Marner.

It can be as desired as much as any other place but when you are replacing 25 year olds with 30 year olds with long term and lots of dollars no amount of "will be fine" gets you out of that mess.

They aren’t in a mess at all. They are competitive and will make moves to try and remain that way for a few years to come

They're Eichel and a bunch of old and slow.

Easy there TheGibby. You might hurt bleedyboi's feelings.

[theograce]

They're Eichel and a bunch of old and slow.

Are they? Their backend isn’t old or slow. They are one of the better rush teams in the NHL.

Old, slow teams get 110 points?

Wish the Blues were old and slow.

[thegibby.]

They're Eichel and a bunch of old and slow.

Are they? Their backend isn’t old or slow. They are one of the better rush teams in the NHL.

Old, slow teams get 110 points?

Wish the Blues were old and slow.

I know you watch the playoffs; they were an embarrassment. Not fast enough to get out of their own way.

[DawgDad]

They're Eichel and a bunch of old and slow.

Are they? Their backend isn’t old or slow. They are one of the better rush teams in the NHL.

Old, slow teams get 110 points?

Wish the Blues were old and slow.

I know you watch the playoffs; they were an embarrassment. Not fast enough to get out of their own way.

Everyone's talking about it.

[theograce]

They're Eichel and a bunch of old and slow.

Are they? Their backend isn’t old or slow. They are one of the better rush teams in the NHL.

Old, slow teams get 110 points?

Wish the Blues were old and slow.

I know you watch the playoffs; they were an embarrassment.

No they weren’t an embarrassment at all… just like they weren’t for Dallas…or for Florida when Vegas trounced them in the Final in historical fashion.

You seem upset about it

[skilles]

@ skilles & BTH

Obviously the only way Toronto would take back salary if it was a useful player at a fair cap hit.
It can be argued that Roy as the Leafs 3RW would be a fit because the Leafs do need to upgrade their bottom 6 but at 3 per I find it doubtful.

It seems that Tavares is coming back unless they land Bennett so they need to find a RW to replace Marner.

I find it interesting that you never hear of the Leafs upgrading their goaltending or d corps.

Stolarz is 31 and has never even played half the games in a season, yet they're counting on him to lead the way?
Playing well recently as a career backup in the regular season is one thing; being the man in the playoffs is another.
Joe Woll flashes promise and finally played 40+ this year but can he stay healthy and be the #1?

Maybe the Leafs are correct to think they're set in goal since there aren't many proven consistent stud goalies that can be counted on year after year in this current era.

I realize that the Leafs top 6 d-men are all under contract for at least 2 more years and offer good size and experience, but they can be hemmed into their own zone and are not that fleet of foot.
Can you win a Cup with your top 4 being Rielly, McCabe, Tanev, and OEL? I say no.

From the Knights POV they need to recoup some assets if they trade good players so they can flip them at the next TDL for other help.

I mentioned that Hertl had a NMC. Most big money guys do.
You never know until you ask.
He might be the Jeff O'Neill type if asked to be traded or he might utilize that clause to stay in Vegas regardless of sweeteners.

If Vegas truly wants Marner they're going to have to unload more salary than those of Karlsson or Roy.
Hertl makes more & would be coveted by many teams like Carolina, Colorado, Winnipeg, and Montreal that need a legit 2C.
The Knights won their Cup without him.

All fun conjecture.

The thought process is sign Marner then execute a trade with Vegas with Pietrangelo going the other way. They will likely still be about 4 million over the cap so Vegas might be inclined to send a Nick Roy as well.

I sincerely hope Vegas does this. Locking up 10+ million in Marner and Eichel, and 9.5 in Mark Stone is going to lead for some very longgggggggggggggggggg seasons. By that I mean, they'll have a few winning seasons, a few losing seasons, but they likely just settle into a .500 club because the defense and goaltending will be below average and won't have any signs of getting better as they have don't have a 1st rounder until 2027 and almost no prospects to speak of. Maybe they have a quality scouting team and they can consistently find gold in the later rounds (if I'm going to say the Blues can do it, so can other teams) but the odds also say that many of them won't have much of an impact.

The payment is finally coming due, and not much Gary and the NHL can do about it.

Vegas is always going to be a highly desirable landing spot for player so I'll think they will be fine but I'm still not convinced they go after Marner.

It can be as desired as much as any other place but when you are replacing 25 year olds with 30 year olds with long term and lots of dollars no amount of "will be fine" gets you out of that mess.

Last time almost everyone on here thought they were not going to be fine they won the Stanley Cup. Vegas is going to be a force most of the time and is probably one of the most desirable teams in the NHL for players and they have a lot of money.

[theograce]

@ skilles & BTH

Obviously the only way Toronto would take back salary if it was a useful player at a fair cap hit.
It can be argued that Roy as the Leafs 3RW would be a fit because the Leafs do need to upgrade their bottom 6 but at 3 per I find it doubtful.

It seems that Tavares is coming back unless they land Bennett so they need to find a RW to replace Marner.

I find it interesting that you never hear of the Leafs upgrading their goaltending or d corps.

Stolarz is 31 and has never even played half the games in a season, yet they're counting on him to lead the way?
Playing well recently as a career backup in the regular season is one thing; being the man in the playoffs is another.
Joe Woll flashes promise and finally played 40+ this year but can he stay healthy and be the #1?

Maybe the Leafs are correct to think they're set in goal since there aren't many proven consistent stud goalies that can be counted on year after year in this current era.

I realize that the Leafs top 6 d-men are all under contract for at least 2 more years and offer good size and experience, but they can be hemmed into their own zone and are not that fleet of foot.
Can you win a Cup with your top 4 being Rielly, McCabe, Tanev, and OEL? I say no.

From the Knights POV they need to recoup some assets if they trade good players so they can flip them at the next TDL for other help.

I mentioned that Hertl had a NMC. Most big money guys do.
You never know until you ask.
He might be the Jeff O'Neill type if asked to be traded or he might utilize that clause to stay in Vegas regardless of sweeteners.

If Vegas truly wants Marner they're going to have to unload more salary than those of Karlsson or Roy.
Hertl makes more & would be coveted by many teams like Carolina, Colorado, Winnipeg, and Montreal that need a legit 2C.
The Knights won their Cup without him.

All fun conjecture.

The thought process is sign Marner then execute a trade with Vegas with Pietrangelo going the other way. They will likely still be about 4 million over the cap so Vegas might be inclined to send a Nick Roy as well.

I sincerely hope Vegas does this. Locking up 10+ million in Marner and Eichel, and 9.5 in Mark Stone is going to lead for some very longgggggggggggggggggg seasons. By that I mean, they'll have a few winning seasons, a few losing seasons, but they likely just settle into a .500 club because the defense and goaltending will be below average and won't have any signs of getting better as they have don't have a 1st rounder until 2027 and almost no prospects to speak of. Maybe they have a quality scouting team and they can consistently find gold in the later rounds (if I'm going to say the Blues can do it, so can other teams) but the odds also say that many of them won't have much of an impact.

The payment is finally coming due, and not much Gary and the NHL can do about it.

Vegas is always going to be a highly desirable landing spot for player so I'll think they will be fine but I'm still not convinced they go after Marner.

It can be as desired as much as any other place but when you are replacing 25 year olds with 30 year olds with long term and lots of dollars no amount of "will be fine" gets you out of that mess.

Last time almost everyone on here thought they were not going to be fine they won the Stanley Cup. Vegas is going to be a force most of the time and is probably one of the most desirable teams in the NHL for players and they have a lot of money.

Yup they are super aggressive like the Wings back in the day.

[TheJackBurton]

@ skilles & BTH

Obviously the only way Toronto would take back salary if it was a useful player at a fair cap hit.
It can be argued that Roy as the Leafs 3RW would be a fit because the Leafs do need to upgrade their bottom 6 but at 3 per I find it doubtful.

It seems that Tavares is coming back unless they land Bennett so they need to find a RW to replace Marner.

I find it interesting that you never hear of the Leafs upgrading their goaltending or d corps.

Stolarz is 31 and has never even played half the games in a season, yet they're counting on him to lead the way?
Playing well recently as a career backup in the regular season is one thing; being the man in the playoffs is another.
Joe Woll flashes promise and finally played 40+ this year but can he stay healthy and be the #1?

Maybe the Leafs are correct to think they're set in goal since there aren't many proven consistent stud goalies that can be counted on year after year in this current era.

I realize that the Leafs top 6 d-men are all under contract for at least 2 more years and offer good size and experience, but they can be hemmed into their own zone and are not that fleet of foot.
Can you win a Cup with your top 4 being Rielly, McCabe, Tanev, and OEL? I say no.

From the Knights POV they need to recoup some assets if they trade good players so they can flip them at the next TDL for other help.

I mentioned that Hertl had a NMC. Most big money guys do.
You never know until you ask.
He might be the Jeff O'Neill type if asked to be traded or he might utilize that clause to stay in Vegas regardless of sweeteners.

If Vegas truly wants Marner they're going to have to unload more salary than those of Karlsson or Roy.
Hertl makes more & would be coveted by many teams like Carolina, Colorado, Winnipeg, and Montreal that need a legit 2C.
The Knights won their Cup without him.

All fun conjecture.

The thought process is sign Marner then execute a trade with Vegas with Pietrangelo going the other way. They will likely still be about 4 million over the cap so Vegas might be inclined to send a Nick Roy as well.

I sincerely hope Vegas does this. Locking up 10+ million in Marner and Eichel, and 9.5 in Mark Stone is going to lead for some very longgggggggggggggggggg seasons. By that I mean, they'll have a few winning seasons, a few losing seasons, but they likely just settle into a .500 club because the defense and goaltending will be below average and won't have any signs of getting better as they have don't have a 1st rounder until 2027 and almost no prospects to speak of. Maybe they have a quality scouting team and they can consistently find gold in the later rounds (if I'm going to say the Blues can do it, so can other teams) but the odds also say that many of them won't have much of an impact.

The payment is finally coming due, and not much Gary and the NHL can do about it.

Vegas is always going to be a highly desirable landing spot for player so I'll think they will be fine but I'm still not convinced they go after Marner.

It can be as desired as much as any other place but when you are replacing 25 year olds with 30 year olds with long term and lots of dollars no amount of "will be fine" gets you out of that mess.

Last time almost everyone on here thought they were not going to be fine they won the Stanley Cup. Vegas is going to be a force most of the time and is probably one of the most desirable teams in the NHL for players and they have a lot of money.

No that's not true. They took some gambles that if they didn't pay off they'd be in trouble, like trading for Eichel.

They don't win their cup without the LTIR loophole, and players age. Their highest paid players have NMC, signing bonuses, and still a decent amount of years left.

The Yankees proved you can't stay competitive in professional sports just signing names and replenishing with UFA. You end up with way too much money tied up in too few players who get old and no longer perform to those levels.

Desired destination or not.

[theograce]

They don't win their cup without the LTIR loophole

They didn’t just win the cup they were historically dominant. Armstrong applauded Vegas after they won the cup. What do you think about that?

[skilles]

@ skilles & BTH

Obviously the only way Toronto would take back salary if it was a useful player at a fair cap hit.
It can be argued that Roy as the Leafs 3RW would be a fit because the Leafs do need to upgrade their bottom 6 but at 3 per I find it doubtful.

It seems that Tavares is coming back unless they land Bennett so they need to find a RW to replace Marner.

I find it interesting that you never hear of the Leafs upgrading their goaltending or d corps.

Stolarz is 31 and has never even played half the games in a season, yet they're counting on him to lead the way?
Playing well recently as a career backup in the regular season is one thing; being the man in the playoffs is another.
Joe Woll flashes promise and finally played 40+ this year but can he stay healthy and be the #1?

Maybe the Leafs are correct to think they're set in goal since there aren't many proven consistent stud goalies that can be counted on year after year in this current era.

I realize that the Leafs top 6 d-men are all under contract for at least 2 more years and offer good size and experience, but they can be hemmed into their own zone and are not that fleet of foot.
Can you win a Cup with your top 4 being Rielly, McCabe, Tanev, and OEL? I say no.

From the Knights POV they need to recoup some assets if they trade good players so they can flip them at the next TDL for other help.

I mentioned that Hertl had a NMC. Most big money guys do.
You never know until you ask.
He might be the Jeff O'Neill type if asked to be traded or he might utilize that clause to stay in Vegas regardless of sweeteners.

If Vegas truly wants Marner they're going to have to unload more salary than those of Karlsson or Roy.
Hertl makes more & would be coveted by many teams like Carolina, Colorado, Winnipeg, and Montreal that need a legit 2C.
The Knights won their Cup without him.

All fun conjecture.

The thought process is sign Marner then execute a trade with Vegas with Pietrangelo going the other way. They will likely still be about 4 million over the cap so Vegas might be inclined to send a Nick Roy as well.

I sincerely hope Vegas does this. Locking up 10+ million in Marner and Eichel, and 9.5 in Mark Stone is going to lead for some very longgggggggggggggggggg seasons. By that I mean, they'll have a few winning seasons, a few losing seasons, but they likely just settle into a .500 club because the defense and goaltending will be below average and won't have any signs of getting better as they have don't have a 1st rounder until 2027 and almost no prospects to speak of. Maybe they have a quality scouting team and they can consistently find gold in the later rounds (if I'm going to say the Blues can do it, so can other teams) but the odds also say that many of them won't have much of an impact.

The payment is finally coming due, and not much Gary and the NHL can do about it.

Vegas is always going to be a highly desirable landing spot for player so I'll think they will be fine but I'm still not convinced they go after Marner.

It can be as desired as much as any other place but when you are replacing 25 year olds with 30 year olds with long term and lots of dollars no amount of "will be fine" gets you out of that mess.

Last time almost everyone on here thought they were not going to be fine they won the Stanley Cup. Vegas is going to be a force most of the time and is probably one of the most desirable teams in the NHL for players and they have a lot of money.

No that's not true. They took some gambles that if they didn't pay off they'd be in trouble, like trading for Eichel.

They don't win their cup without the LTIR loophole, and players age. Their highest paid players have NMC, signing bonuses, and still a decent amount of years left.

The Yankees proved you can't stay competitive in professional sports just signing names and replenishing with UFA. You end up with way too much money tied up in too few players who get old and no longer perform to those levels.

Desired destination or not.

All I'm reading is that you still think you were right after being proven completely wrong...but sure all teams eventually have some years that are not great and the ones highly desirable for the players will bounce back much faster.

[larueskee]

Who cares where Marner goes? He is ( was ) one of the dumbest players I ever have seen play. Blind backhand passes in his zone, the neutral zone and other various dumb plays. You all do know that there are reasons why talented players never win cups?

[TheJackBurton]

@ skilles & BTH

Obviously the only way Toronto would take back salary if it was a useful player at a fair cap hit.
It can be argued that Roy as the Leafs 3RW would be a fit because the Leafs do need to upgrade their bottom 6 but at 3 per I find it doubtful.

It seems that Tavares is coming back unless they land Bennett so they need to find a RW to replace Marner.

I find it interesting that you never hear of the Leafs upgrading their goaltending or d corps.

Stolarz is 31 and has never even played half the games in a season, yet they're counting on him to lead the way?
Playing well recently as a career backup in the regular season is one thing; being the man in the playoffs is another.
Joe Woll flashes promise and finally played 40+ this year but can he stay healthy and be the #1?

Maybe the Leafs are correct to think they're set in goal since there aren't many proven consistent stud goalies that can be counted on year after year in this current era.

I realize that the Leafs top 6 d-men are all under contract for at least 2 more years and offer good size and experience, but they can be hemmed into their own zone and are not that fleet of foot.
Can you win a Cup with your top 4 being Rielly, McCabe, Tanev, and OEL? I say no.

From the Knights POV they need to recoup some assets if they trade good players so they can flip them at the next TDL for other help.

I mentioned that Hertl had a NMC. Most big money guys do.
You never know until you ask.
He might be the Jeff O'Neill type if asked to be traded or he might utilize that clause to stay in Vegas regardless of sweeteners.

If Vegas truly wants Marner they're going to have to unload more salary than those of Karlsson or Roy.
Hertl makes more & would be coveted by many teams like Carolina, Colorado, Winnipeg, and Montreal that need a legit 2C.
The Knights won their Cup without him.

All fun conjecture.

The thought process is sign Marner then execute a trade with Vegas with Pietrangelo going the other way. They will likely still be about 4 million over the cap so Vegas might be inclined to send a Nick Roy as well.

I sincerely hope Vegas does this. Locking up 10+ million in Marner and Eichel, and 9.5 in Mark Stone is going to lead for some very longgggggggggggggggggg seasons. By that I mean, they'll have a few winning seasons, a few losing seasons, but they likely just settle into a .500 club because the defense and goaltending will be below average and won't have any signs of getting better as they have don't have a 1st rounder until 2027 and almost no prospects to speak of. Maybe they have a quality scouting team and they can consistently find gold in the later rounds (if I'm going to say the Blues can do it, so can other teams) but the odds also say that many of them won't have much of an impact.

The payment is finally coming due, and not much Gary and the NHL can do about it.

Vegas is always going to be a highly desirable landing spot for player so I'll think they will be fine but I'm still not convinced they go after Marner.

It can be as desired as much as any other place but when you are replacing 25 year olds with 30 year olds with long term and lots of dollars no amount of "will be fine" gets you out of that mess.

Last time almost everyone on here thought they were not going to be fine they won the Stanley Cup. Vegas is going to be a force most of the time and is probably one of the most desirable teams in the NHL for players and they have a lot of money.

No that's not true. They took some gambles that if they didn't pay off they'd be in trouble, like trading for Eichel.

They don't win their cup without the LTIR loophole, and players age. Their highest paid players have NMC, signing bonuses, and still a decent amount of years left.

The Yankees proved you can't stay competitive in professional sports just signing names and replenishing with UFA. You end up with way too much money tied up in too few players who get old and no longer perform to those levels.

Desired destination or not.

All I'm reading is that you still think you were right after being proven completely wrong...but sure all teams eventually have some years that are not great and the ones highly desirable for the players will bounce back much faster.

How was I wrong? What I always said was that if they didn't win their Cup within the first 4 years of Petros contract they probably never do, based on the fact the were over the salary cap and were going to be millions over the cap the following seasons. They won it in his fourth year. They needed LTIR during the regular season to make the deals and get the players they needed in order to win. Without LTIR they can't trade for Barbie without trading away an equal salary, that's simply the truth.

Since then their playoff record has gotten worse and worse. Their regular season record has been up and down. The players are spending more time on IR. They have little to no prospects, nothing but 2nd round and later picks. If they get Marner and re-sign Eichel will have close to 50 million locked up in players over the age of 28 with either NMC or full NTC. Desirable or not, that's a recipe for disaster.

Those are simply the facts. Signing Marner solves none of those issues.