Time to send Pallante down & recall McGreevy

[hugeCardfan]

I think it's too early. Put McGreevy into the race this soon may burn him out innings wise. I don't have a problem bringing him up a time or two, or in July...but now, I think, too soon.

Huge, he is throwing six innings a game in Memphis anyway. Not that big a difference in the majors.

I know. I follow duce's thread too. But, there is no urgency to pitch him every 5th day. My guess is that the wear and tear won't be as great as well. If the FO thought it would be beneficial to sit McGreevy for ten days, 2 weeks, the season consequences would be negligible in AAA.

I just don't think McGreevy has built his arm up enough over the last couple years to go straight to the majors and play out a full postseason.

If there is anyone in the minors ready for it, it's McGreevy.

No argument. I think he'll still be ready in July. Possibly, more ready. Just my opinion.

[Melville]

I'd send A. Pallante to Memphis today and recall M. McGreevy (6-1/3.02 ERA/9.6 SO9 at Memphis).

Pallante last 8 starts:
4.96 ERA
4.86 FiP
1.48 WHiP


And once again he can't get out RHH'ers:
.287 .359 .452 .812

Not sure why Mo is sticking w/him and not giving McGreevy his shot.

Stupid to keep running Pallante out there to get clobbered when you have McGreevy on the runway and ready to land in St. Louis if he was just given his shot.

Just like he did sticking w/R. Fernandez for too long, Mo is once again AWOL.

Wake up Mo!

Send Pallante to Memphis and recall McGreevy.

Pallante does have limited upside - but also limited downside.
Youth, cost, and predictability are on his side.
The better move for STL is to trade Mikolas.
He is getting very close to the point of being owed only 7 or 8 million - and that should make him a reasonably attractive trade target for teams who are in need of starting pitching but unwilling or unable to pay too much in dollars or prospects.
Very, very easy to move him - even with his NTC.
That creates the space for McGreevy.

[Cusecards]

McGreevy will be up eventually but probably not until after the deadline.
And as long as they keep playing well I don’t see rotation changes until then.
Mikolas and/or Matz could be dealt.
And even if Pallante is pulled from rotation I doubt he is demoted.
Could certainly use him in the BP!

[BrockFloodMaris]

McGreevy is the only SP depth the Cards have as of now. Plus the team is winning. The talk of trading a SP to make a spot for McGreevy is not the right baseball decision. Sure, McGreevy deserves to be in the MLs, no argument here. But, very rarely do starting rotations make it the entire year without a starter going down. If my memory is correct, 2015 is the last year the Cards achieved that. So more likely than not, McGreevy will get his chance. Second, trading when you are winning doesn't seem like a good clubhouse move. Lets see how this plays out.

Pallante and McGreevy will both be in the starting rotation after August 1. Fedde, Mikolas and Matz will all likely be gone, as they are pending free agents the Cards likely won’t re-sign.

That would be the correct move for the team to make IMO. Along with Helsley.

I agree with you about RH, Bird. Some on here suggest that we should keep RH, offer him a QO and take the comp pick. I don’t know bout all that.

[SamTheMan]

I'd send A. Pallante to Memphis today and recall M. McGreevy (6-1/3.02 ERA/9.6 SO9 at Memphis).

Pallante last 8 starts:
4.96 ERA
4.86 FiP
1.48 WHiP


And once again he can't get out RHH'ers:
.287 .359 .452 .812

Not sure why Mo is sticking w/him and not giving McGreevy his shot.

Stupid to keep running Pallante out there to get clobbered when you have McGreevy on the runway and ready to land in St. Louis if he was just given his shot.

Just like he did sticking w/R. Fernandez for too long, Mo is once again AWOL.

Wake up Mo!

Send Pallante to Memphis and recall McGreevy.

Rock...I think Pallante could be a decent bullpen arm

[scoutyjones2]

I'd send A. Pallante to Memphis today and recall M. McGreevy (6-1/3.02 ERA/9.6 SO9 at Memphis).

Pallante last 8 starts:
4.96 ERA
4.86 FiP
1.48 WHiP


And once again he can't get out RHH'ers:
.287 .359 .452 .812

Not sure why Mo is sticking w/him and not giving McGreevy his shot.

Stupid to keep running Pallante out there to get clobbered when you have McGreevy on the runway and ready to land in St. Louis if he was just given his shot.

Just like he did sticking w/R. Fernandez for too long, Mo is once again AWOL.

Wake up Mo!

Send Pallante to Memphis and recall McGreevy.

LoL... you're just looking to [fork] with the roster...for no reason

Be smart, send UniKKKorn down, bring Saggese up.

[thetank2]

McGreevy is the only SP depth the Cards have as of now. Plus the team is winning. The talk of trading a SP to make a spot for McGreevy is not the right baseball decision. Sure, McGreevy deserves to be in the MLs, no argument here. But, very rarely do starting rotations make it the entire year without a starter going down. If my memory is correct, 2015 is the last year the Cards achieved that. So more likely than not, McGreevy will get his chance. Second, trading when you are winning doesn't seem like a good clubhouse move. Lets see how this plays out.

Pallante and McGreevy will both be in the starting rotation after August 1. Fedde, Mikolas and Matz will all likely be gone, as they are pending free agents the Cards likely won’t re-sign.

Why trade them for AAAA players. We need more SP.

[icon]

Mikolas is the one heaving meat up there with regularity. He has nothing stuff and depends mostly on 100 mph rockets being caught.

The sooner he can be gone, the better. And McGreevy can take HIS place.

[imyourhuckleberry]

Pallante has earned the patience required for him to correct my current issues he's having.

Okay but what about HIS current issues?…

Well that's a different story altogether.

[hdhntr148]

doubt if they would send pallante down as he was an effective reliever before. doesn't seem like mgr has much confidence in Roycroft? as he doesn't use him much. more likely to have him move down, tho wasn't he a closer in minors?

Pallante is more effective against LHers so there is that and in shorter outings could prove effective against RHers.

[Melville]

McGreevy will be up eventually but probably not until after the deadline.
And as long as they keep playing well I don’t see rotation changes until then.
Mikolas and/or Matz could be dealt.
And even if Pallante is pulled from rotation I doubt he is demoted.
Could certainly use him in the BP!

Good post.
Solid thoughts.
Outstanding text formatting.
Concise.
Logical.
Effective.

[rockondlouie]

I'd send A. Pallante to Memphis today and recall M. McGreevy (6-1/3.02 ERA/9.6 SO9 at Memphis).

Pallante last 8 starts:
4.96 ERA
4.86 FiP
1.48 WHiP


And once again he can't get out RHH'ers:
.287 .359 .452 .812

Not sure why Mo is sticking w/him and not giving McGreevy his shot.

Stupid to keep running Pallante out there to get clobbered when you have McGreevy on the runway and ready to land in St. Louis if he was just given his shot.

Just like he did sticking w/R. Fernandez for too long, Mo is once again AWOL.

Wake up Mo!

Send Pallante to Memphis and recall McGreevy.

LoL... you're just looking to [fork] with the roster...for no reason

Be smart, send UniKKKorn down, bring Saggese up.

So I'm just "looking to e f f w/the roster....for no reason" even though Pallante has reeked but you can "e f f" w/it?

Playoff teams will be "e f f ing" w/their rosters like crazy real soon.

(and for the record, I agree w/you as I've been saying the same about Norman/Saggese for weeks too )

[rockondlouie]

I'd send A. Pallante to Memphis today and recall M. McGreevy (6-1/3.02 ERA/9.6 SO9 at Memphis).

Pallante last 8 starts:
4.96 ERA
4.86 FiP
1.48 WHiP


And once again he can't get out RHH'ers:
.287 .359 .452 .812

Not sure why Mo is sticking w/him and not giving McGreevy his shot.

Stupid to keep running Pallante out there to get clobbered when you have McGreevy on the runway and ready to land in St. Louis if he was just given his shot.

Just like he did sticking w/R. Fernandez for too long, Mo is once again AWOL.

Wake up Mo!

Send Pallante to Memphis and recall McGreevy.

Rock...I think Pallante could be a decent bullpen arm

I'm not sure they'd go back that route StM but it could be an option if he keeps floundering.

[rockondlouie]

I'd send A. Pallante to Memphis today and recall M. McGreevy (6-1/3.02 ERA/9.6 SO9 at Memphis).

Pallante last 8 starts:
4.96 ERA
4.86 FiP
1.48 WHiP


And once again he can't get out RHH'ers:
.287 .359 .452 .812

Not sure why Mo is sticking w/him and not giving McGreevy his shot.

Stupid to keep running Pallante out there to get clobbered when you have McGreevy on the runway and ready to land in St. Louis if he was just given his shot.

Just like he did sticking w/R. Fernandez for too long, Mo is once again AWOL.

Wake up Mo!

Send Pallante to Memphis and recall McGreevy.

Pallante does have limited upside - but also limited downside.
Youth, cost, and predictability are on his side.
The better move for STL is to trade Mikolas.
He is getting very close to the point of being owed only 7 or 8 million - and that should make him a reasonably attractive trade target for teams who are in need of starting pitching but unwilling or unable to pay too much in dollars or prospects.
Very, very easy to move him - even with his NTC.
That creates the space for McGreevy.

While I agree w/you 100% (trade Mikolas) he does have the NTC and I'm not sure he waives it.

But perhaps given he's seeking a new contract, and not getting it from the Cardinals, he would?

There would be a large market for him and w/the way he's pitching he could actually now bring back a decent prospect, who would've thunk it?

[rockondlouie]

I came across this last night from Bernie on Pallante, good stuff and echoes what I thought and why I want him sent down if he doesn't turn things around real, real soon:



The really bad stuff? In his last eight starts the right-handed Pallante has been smacked by right-swinging hitters for a .326 average, .389 onbase percentage, nine extra-base hits and a .547 slugging rate. Over that time, RH batters have pounded him for a 45 percent hard-hit rate, walked 10 percent of the time, and struck out in only 14.7 percent of their plate appearances.

So what’s the problem? Pallante’s four-seam fastball and sinkers are glaringly ineffective when used against RH batters. In his last eight starts, right-handed batters have torn into Pallante’s four-seamer and sinker for 21 hits in 56 at-bats (.375) for three doubles and three homers and a .767 slugging percentage. And his walk rate against them (8.2%) over the last eight starts is nearly the same as his strikeout rate (9.8%).

Opposing managers are doing the Cardinals and Pallante a merciful favor by declining to stack their lineup with right-handed batters. Eventually the other dugout will wake up and Pallante will become even more vulnerable than he is. At some point Michael McGreevy deserves to have an opportunity to start for the big club in St. Louis. So far this 2025 “runway” season doesn’t apply to McGreevy.
-Bernie

[Cusecards]

McGreevy will be up eventually but probably not until after the deadline.
And as long as they keep playing well I don’t see rotation changes until then.
Mikolas and/or Matz could be dealt.
And even if Pallante is pulled from rotation I doubt he is demoted.
Could certainly use him in the BP!

Good post.
Solid thoughts.
Outstanding text formatting.
Concise.
Logical.
Effective.

Thank you.
Only an opinion but I think the rotation looks much different in 2026:
Gray- a definite unless traded
Pallante- probable but could be BP?
Libby- same as Pallante
Fedde/Matz/Mikolas- all FA’s. Any or all could be gone.
McGreevy/Mathews/Hence/Roby/etc- waiting in the wings.

Patience it’s still May and playing well.
No need in my opinion to push the younger guys!