Burleson/Contreras

[Basil Shabazz]

Realistically, right now against RHP, it should be Herrera at clean up and Burleson at 5. Contreras 6 and Arenado 7. Considering most recent production, why shouldn't it?

that's not realistic. Pitchers love and prefer throwing to Pages. Herrera at Catcher full time is the only way you get Herrera, Burley and Contreras in the same lineup, and that has to be against RHP. Herrera is your DH most of the time and he's not coming out of the lineup often. Burleson is part time vs. RHP and never against LHP.

The lineup is simply better against RHP with Burleson in it.

Not the first 7 weeks of the season

I'm considering now and the next seven crucial weeks.

Here is a clue.... the first 7 weeks are just as crucial as the next 7 weeks and those are just as crucial as the last 7 weeks. They all matter equally after 162.

[sikeston bulldog2]

Realistically, right now against RHP, it should be Herrera at clean up and Burleson at 5. Contreras 6 and Arenado 7. Considering most recent production, why shouldn't it?

that's not realistic. Pitchers love and prefer throwing to Pages. Herrera at Catcher full time is the only way you get Herrera, Burley and Contreras in the same lineup, and that has to be against RHP. Herrera is your DH most of the time and he's not coming out of the lineup often. Burleson is part time vs. RHP and never against LHP.

The lineup is simply better against RHP with Burleson in it.

Not the first 7 weeks of the season

I'm considering now and the next seven crucial weeks.

Here is a clue.... the first 7 weeks are just as crucial as the next 7 weeks and those are just as crucial as the last 7 weeks. They all matter equally after 162.

Missouri math problem.

[Shady]

Realistically, right now against RHP, it should be Herrera at clean up and Burleson at 5. Contreras 6 and Arenado 7. Considering most recent production, why shouldn't it?

that's not realistic. Pitchers love and prefer throwing to Pages. Herrera at Catcher full time is the only way you get Herrera, Burley and Contreras in the same lineup, and that has to be against RHP. Herrera is your DH most of the time and he's not coming out of the lineup often. Burleson is part time vs. RHP and never against LHP.

The lineup is simply better against RHP with Burleson in it.

Not the first 7 weeks of the season

I'm considering now and the next seven crucial weeks.

Here is a clue.... the first 7 weeks are just as crucial as the next 7 weeks and those are just as crucial as the last 7 weeks. They all matter equally after 162.

That's obvious. So factor in who is producing better at the current time for best results. And make changes, if needed, accordingly.

[Futuregm2]

Realistically, right now against RHP, it should be Herrera at clean up and Burleson at 5. Contreras 6 and Arenado 7. Considering most recent production, why shouldn't it?

that's not realistic. Pitchers love and prefer throwing to Pages. Herrera at Catcher full time is the only way you get Herrera, Burley and Contreras in the same lineup, and that has to be against RHP. Herrera is your DH most of the time and he's not coming out of the lineup often. Burleson is part time vs. RHP and never against LHP.

The lineup is simply better against RHP with Burleson in it.

Not the first 7 weeks of the season

I'm considering now and the next seven crucial weeks.

Here is a clue.... the first 7 weeks are just as crucial as the next 7 weeks and those are just as crucial as the last 7 weeks. They all matter equally after 162.

So factor in who is producing better at the current time. And make changes, if needed, accordingly.

The current time doesn’t necessarily mean they will continue to do that. Otherwise they’d be changing the lineup around every day, which is the kind of attention span you have.

[Monsieur De Treville]

Burleson against right-handed pitching: .298 Avg., .343 OBP

Contreras against right-handed pitching: .234 Avg., .304 OBP

And it is 1/3 of the season.

True but I think Contreras defense is better and in the long run he has been more consistent hitting. Just my opinion.

No, he has not not been a more consistent hitter. That's my point, platoon them and get the most from both. Sounds like many have forgotten Burleson hit 20 HRs last year with 78 RBI, which would match any of Contreras years in his career. Plus, he is several years younger and should improve.

So you'll ignore base running and defense? And consistency?

Contreras: .807 OPS 116 OPS +
Burleson: .715 OPS 97 OPS+

Your boy isn't even a league average hitter in 1053 career ABs. His fWAR is 0.0 in 2025.

[Basil Shabazz]

So factor in who is producing better at the current time. And make changes, if needed, accordingly.

Genuis! The players will have so much rhythm and confidence knowing they are being yo-yo'd in and out of the line up every time they have a rough few series. Do you understand that baseball is a game of failure and the best players are not going to perform 2/3 of the time? You have to go off of the track record until a player regresses for an extended period of time. Especially when you are discussing displacing a player with WCs track record.

[Shady]

Realistically, right now against RHP, it should be Herrera at clean up and Burleson at 5. Contreras 6 and Arenado 7. Considering most recent production, why shouldn't it?

that's not realistic. Pitchers love and prefer throwing to Pages. Herrera at Catcher full time is the only way you get Herrera, Burley and Contreras in the same lineup, and that has to be against RHP. Herrera is your DH most of the time and he's not coming out of the lineup often. Burleson is part time vs. RHP and never against LHP.

The lineup is simply better against RHP with Burleson in it.

Not the first 7 weeks of the season

I'm considering now and the next seven crucial weeks.

Here is a clue.... the first 7 weeks are just as crucial as the next 7 weeks and those are just as crucial as the last 7 weeks. They all matter equally after 162.

So factor in who is producing better at the current time. And make changes, if needed, accordingly.

The current time doesn’t necessarily mean they will continue to do that. Otherwise they’d be changing the lineup around every day, which is the kind of attention span you have.

I just don't like to see a player hitting in a prime spot in the lineup for an extended period of time when they are not producing the way the spot demands. When another player is producing better.

[Basil Shabazz]

Also, leadership matters! If the last few years have not proven that to us! Contreras is the veteran emotional leader of this team. You want to tank the culture? Bench Contreras for a 6 game swoon. Ask Oli how that worked out for him a few years ago.

[Monsieur De Treville]

Burleson against right-handed pitching: .298 Avg., .343 OBP

Contreras against right-handed pitching: .234 Avg., .304 OBP

And it is 1/3 of the season.

May 13th:
Conteras: .763 OPS
Burleson: .662 OPS

May 29th
Conteras: .689 OPS
Burleson: .753 OPS

You don't make BIG platoon decisions that last 4 months based on two weeks of slump/hot streak.

Career wise, Burleson has been the better hitter for average and OBP. His season last year was as good as any Contreras has had his career and remember Contreras played in a hitter's park in Chicago. As shown last night and many other games this year Contreras is not producing. A platoon could be used in my opinion.

Burleson's career vs RHP: .271 BA / .753 OPS
Conteras' career vs RHP: .252 BA / .787 OPS

And WC was better vs RHP last year.

Maybe WC could use a day off, but a straight platoon? No way.

Also, I really like WC at 1B as a leader of the infield.

I would consider Donavon the leader with a close second to Winn. Just because Contreras is a vocal figure doesn't mean he is a leader. This team is revolving to the younger players which in my opinion has made the vast improvement in their play and record. Burleson is the future at 1st base, not Contreras. Again, just my opinion.

You have no idea who the players turn to for leadership.

[Shady]

So factor in who is producing better at the current time. And make changes, if needed, accordingly.

Genuis! The players will have so much rhythm and confidence knowing they are being yo-yo'd in and out of the line up every time they have a rough few series. Do you understand that baseball is a game of failure and the best players are not going to perform 2/3 of the time? You have to go off of the track record until a player regresses for an extended period of time. Especially when you are discussing displacing a player with WCs track record.

It wouldn't be criminal for Contreras to move down in the lineupfor a while. Like they did with Arenado. Arenado wasn't producing what is expected out of the cleanup spot. Now, Contreras isn't.

[Shady]

Also, leadership matters! If the last few years have not proven that to us! Contreras is the veteran emotional leader of this team. You want to tank the culture? Bench Contreras for a 6 game swoon. Ask Oli how that worked out for him a few years ago.

Where did I say, "Bench Contreras"? Please pay closer attention. Move Contreras down to 6 for a while until he starts raking again.

[Monsieur De Treville]

Burleson against right-handed pitching: .298 Avg., .343 OBP

Contreras against right-handed pitching: .234 Avg., .304 OBP

And it is 1/3 of the season.

May 13th:
Conteras: .763 OPS
Burleson: .662 OPS

May 29th
Conteras: .689 OPS
Burleson: .753 OPS

You don't make BIG platoon decisions that last 4 months based on two weeks of slump/hot streak.

Career wise, Burleson has been the better hitter for average and OBP. His season last year was as good as any Contreras has had his career and remember Contreras played in a hitter's park in Chicago. As shown last night and many other games this year Contreras is not producing. A platoon could be used in my opinion.

Burleson's career vs RHP: .271 BA / .753 OPS
Conteras' career vs RHP: .252 BA / .787 OPS

And WC was better vs RHP last year.

Maybe WC could use a day off, but a straight platoon? No way.

Also, I really like WC at 1B as a leader of the infield.

I would consider Donavon the leader with a close second to Winn. Just because Contreras is a vocal figure doesn't mean he is a leader. This team is revolving to the younger players which in my opinion has made the vast improvement in their play and record. Burleson is the future at 1st base, not Contreras. Again, just my opinion.

Burleson is a future in TBD. While 2024 was nice, it wasn't some amazing season.

And just two weeks ago, he was a huge odd man out with Herrera at DH and Contreras at 1B.

He has his .364 since 5/14, so there's a recency bias thing going on here.


There's a reason this OP wasn't written the first 7 weeks of the season.

You just can't face the facts. Just look at the last season that Burleson had and compare it to any of the best season's Contreras has had including playing at Wrigley. And as far as from 5/14, it's because he has been playing more regularly. You watch in the coming weeks, and you will learn that Burleson will be getting more playing time at first.

WC has had about 4-6 better seasons than Burleson's 2024...

LMAO

Burly 2024: 735 OPS 104 OPS+ 1.2 fWAR
Willy 2017: 855 OPS 118 OPS+ 3.8 fWAR
Willy 2019: 888 OPS 127 OPS+ 3.0 fWAR
Willy 2022: 815 OPS 126 OPS+ 3.8 fWAR
Willy 2023: 826 OPS 123 OPS+ 3.3 fWAR

There's four. There are others. Your suggestion is preposterous!

[Monsieur De Treville]

Burleson against right-handed pitching: .298 Avg., .343 OBP

Contreras against right-handed pitching: .234 Avg., .304 OBP

And it is 1/3 of the season.

May 13th:
Conteras: .763 OPS
Burleson: .662 OPS

May 29th
Conteras: .689 OPS
Burleson: .753 OPS

You don't make BIG platoon decisions that last 4 months based on two weeks of slump/hot streak.

Career wise, Burleson has been the better hitter for average and OBP. His season last year was as good as any Contreras has had his career and remember Contreras played in a hitter's park in Chicago. As shown last night and many other games this year Contreras is not producing. A platoon could be used in my opinion.

Oh please, you can’t be that stupid.

Burleson had a .735 OPS and 104 OPS+ last year. Prior to this year that would have been Contreras’s 2nd worst season of his 9 year career. His worst was .730 with a 94 OPS+. The only season he had a sub .763 OPS/106 OPS+. With the Cardinals he has an .804 OPS and 121 OPS+.

Are you sure about that?

Old Red gives us old guys a bad name! We're not all blithering idiots...

[Basil Shabazz]

Also, leadership matters! If the last few years have not proven that to us! Contreras is the veteran emotional leader of this team. You want to tank the culture? Bench Contreras for a 6 game swoon. Ask Oli how that worked out for him a few years ago.

Where did I say, "Bench Contreras"? Please pay closer attention. Move Contreras down to 6 for a while until he starts raking again.

So, who gets benched for Burly to play full time against RHP?

[Monsieur De Treville]

Realistically, right now against RHP, it should be Herrera at clean up and Burleson at 5. Contreras 6 and Arenado 7. Considering most recent production, why shouldn't it?

No. It should not.

And BTW...I'm still waiting for either your lawyers or Ninja friends to contact me! Where are they? I can be found on the golf course most days!

[Monsieur De Treville]

I just want to know what happened to OR and how did shadymaple get his screen name?

This thread is for baseball discussion. Not personal nonsense. Please try to oblige.

No one needs your lectures, Marshall! No wonder Mary dumped you!