The Last of Us (S2)

[3dender]

Anyone else watching this still? It's pretty entertaining, although I don't care overly much about the characters.

I have not played the game so I'm wondering, is the Ellie character this annoyingly immature in the game or is it just that I don't like Bella Ramsey (or maybe she's a bad actor)?

[MikoTython]

Anyone else watching this still? It's pretty entertaining, although I don't care overly much about the characters.

I have not played the game so I'm wondering, is the Ellie character this annoyingly immature in the game or is it just that I don't like Bella Ramsey (or maybe she's a bad actor)?

I dunno, but that has to be a majority take. She’s obnoxious. I’m watching, but it’s a fairly goofy romcom zombie fest, at this point. The background conflict between the wolves & scars has heft. Hopefully Ellie all of a sudden is longer immune, or gets run over by a bus.

[todd-parker]

Anyone else watching this still? It's pretty entertaining, although I don't care overly much about the characters.

I have not played the game so I'm wondering, is the Ellie character this annoyingly immature in the game or is it just that I don't like Bella Ramsey (or maybe she's a bad actor)?

I don't recall Ellie being too annoying in the game (doubt I would have finished it if she was) but I think it's an apples/oranges comparison as the tv version is adding more dialogue/scenes for dramatic purposes and it takes about 40 hours to complete the main storyline in the TLOU 2 video game. Found it humorous that Joel shooting up the hospital at the end of season 1 takes up about 10 minutes in the show but is a really long slog in the game.

That being said, the tv Ellie seems to be very cocky about putting herself in dangerous situations. Sure, she is immune from their bites but not from being ripped apart. Weird dynamic watching a character you controlled in the game but can't control on the tv show.

[3dender]

Anyone else watching this still? It's pretty entertaining, although I don't care overly much about the characters.

I have not played the game so I'm wondering, is the Ellie character this annoyingly immature in the game or is it just that I don't like Bella Ramsey (or maybe she's a bad actor)?

I don't recall Ellie being too annoying in the game (doubt I would have finished it if she was) but I think it's an apples/oranges comparison as the tv version is adding more dialogue/scenes for dramatic purposes and it takes about 40 hours to complete the main storyline in the TLOU 2 video game. Found it humorous that Joel shooting up the hospital at the end of season 1 takes up about 10 minutes in the show but is a really long slog in the game.

That being said, the tv Ellie seems to be very cocky about putting herself in dangerous situations. Sure, she is immune from their bites but not from being ripped apart. Weird dynamic watching a character you controlled in the game but can't control on the tv show.

Thanks for that perspective.

I can't quite put my finger on it she just comes across as a whiny, cringey teenager and I'm not enjoying her as a protagonist. I'm vicariously cringing for her during the romance stuff, and rolling my eyes at how dumb she is. Not sure if she's supposed to be really tough but I'm not buying that either. I just can't imagine the character is that off-putting during the game otherwise I don't think this would be that beloved of a game.

[FrankTheTank]

I have not played the game so I'm wondering, is the Ellie character this annoyingly immature in the game or is it just that I don't like Bella Ramsey (or maybe she's a bad actor)?

She is a good actress, she killed it as Lyanna Mormont in GOT. I think she is leaning into the teenage angst thing a little too much, and also yes, she is immune, but as you said, she can still be shot, stabbed, ripped apart. So odd choice to always be throwing yourself on the grenade.

I like the show, but so far I think season 1 has been better.

[MikoTython]

I'm now officially a show hater. If you want some fun, go to :

r/TheLastOfUs2 on reddit

[todd-parker]

I'm now officially a show hater. If you want some fun, go to :

r/TheLastOfUs2 on reddit

What was it about season 2, episode 6 that made you turn? Thought it was a pretty solid episode and answered a lot of questions as to the state of Joel's relationship with Ellie and Gail at the beginning of the season. Plus, you got a cameo from Ralph Cifaretto.

[MikoTython]

I'm now officially a show hater. If you want some fun, go to :

r/TheLastOfUs2 on reddit

What was it about season 2, episode 6 that made you turn? Thought it was a pretty solid episode and answered a lot of questions as to the state of Joel's relationship with Ellie and Gail at the beginning of the season. Plus, you got a cameo from Ralph Cifaretto.

I'm not down with all the drama. Plus, she bugs me. Here's one example - she herself knows the risks (ones she doesn't herself run) associated w/ an infected - they turn unpredictably - there is a protocol - Joel followed it, gave the guy a chance to say his last words, but he (understandably) faltered. Joel put the best face on it for the guy's wife BUT HE (gasp) LIED, so Bella has to tell the wife the rather squalid truth. She is heedlessly, stupidly self-righteous - as every teen-ager ever come down the pick, including me, but she pretty much runs the table on it - every episode.

The show is written for 14-17 year old, esp. queer, girls.

The other thing, for me, is I wanted to see the political dynamics between the adults in the room play out. More hard dystopian sciFi. Instead, we have a CW drama.

ymmv. Here's another one from that reddit channel (there's a ton) :



I think there is a rather large revolt in the fan base, viewership is way off. It's its own little bit of drama out here in the hinterlands.

[3dender]

I actually thought Ramsey's performance in S6 was by far her best so far... especially the porch scene. I liked the episode and I thought her reaction to the Eugene incident was normal.

She wasn't mad at him for not breaking protocol she was mad at him for lying to her face and breaking his promise, which confirmed to her a much bigger fear of hers that he lied to her about Salt Lake City. It's not about teenage angst it's a very personal relationship issue between her and Joel that even me, a casual viewer and non-game player was easily able to pick up. They weren't being subtle about it.

[MikoTython]

I actually thought Ramsey's performance in S6 was by far her best so far... especially the porch scene. I liked the episode and I thought her reaction to the Eugene incident was normal.

She wasn't mad at him for not breaking protocol she was mad at him for lying to her face and breaking his promise, which confirmed to her a much bigger fear of hers that he lied to her about Salt Lake City. It's not about teenage angst it's a very personal relationship issue between her and Joel that even me, a casual viewer and non-game player was easily able to pick up. They weren't being subtle about it.

Your interpretation is probably fairer than mine. I skip thru, am looking for something not involving that character, at this point. It’s all too much for me, not invested.

[FrankTheTank]

It is following the game pretty closely, but just expanding on it.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/tv/news/the-l ... r-AA1FdBXg

[MikoTython]

I actually thought Ramsey's performance in S6 was by far her best so far... especially the porch scene. I liked the episode and I thought her reaction to the Eugene incident was normal.

She wasn't mad at him for not breaking protocol she was mad at him for lying to her face and breaking his promise, which confirmed to her a much bigger fear of hers that he lied to her about Salt Lake City. It's not about teenage angst it's a very personal relationship issue between her and Joel that even me, a casual viewer and non-game player was easily able to pick up. They weren't being subtle about it.

Here's another take (not mine) from my favorite reddit TLOS sub :

Yeah, they were trying to apply “but what about peoples feelings” during an apocalyptic scenario caused by an outbreak - with a community they’ve already established used dogs to smell if a person was infected, and if they were, were trained to rip that person apart before they let them anywhere near their community.

Know how we know this? BECAUSE THEY DID IT TO JOEL AND ELLIE, A 14-YEAR-OLD CHILD, IN SEASON F-----G ONE!!!! This is literally that exact same community, and they’re trying to act like this community would allow Ellie to escort an infected old man to say goodbye to his wife at the gate. The hell they f-----g would.

It just made Ellie look absolutely retarded like she learned absolutely nothing in the entire time that she’s been staying there, and that she’s so reckless and careless that she’d basically get everyone around her killed.

This is the part I, a casual viewer, was able to pick up on.

I think tonight is the last episode....

[Targaryen]

Tonight's the last episode of S2, but it has already been renewed for a third season.

[Quincy Varnish]

Tonight's the last episode of S2, but it has already been renewed for a third season.

If you watched and it (upset) you off, that means it’s working.

The midway point of the game’s Part II (which is where season 2 concludes) was possibly the most nerve-racking mindfuck in video game history. Made me want to smash something.

[MikoTython]

Spoiler

Is Ellie dead ?

They wrote Jesse back in the last couple of episodes to drive home the point of how off-the-wall she is. Maybe that's in the game too, I don't know. This last episode

Spoiler

was a non-stop sequence of boneheaded stunts that ended with good people dead

. Her girlfriend was also looking at her sideways.

She's such an obnoxious half-witted goof. But maybe, you know, she is

Spoiler

among the dead.

. If not, its a pure red herring.

I think part of the point of the show is that we were sort of naturally manipulated into sympathizing with a character who isn't sympathetic - her faults outweigh her virtues. I've heard in other places they've written her way dumber than she was in the game.

[3dender]

Spoiler

Is Ellie dead ?

They wrote Jesse back in the last couple of episodes to drive home the point of how off-the-wall she is. Maybe that's in the game too, I don't know. This last episode

Spoiler

was a non-stop sequence of boneheaded stunts that ended with good people dead

. Her girlfriend was also looking at her sideways.

She's such an obnoxious half-witted goof. But maybe, you know, she is

Spoiler

among the dead.

. If not, its a pure red herring.

I think part of the point of the show is that we were sort of naturally manipulated into sympathizing with a character who isn't sympathetic - her faults outweigh her virtues. I've heard in other places they've written her way dumber than she was in the game.

She's not dead, the game also breaks away at that scene to take you into Abby's story.

Assuming they were trying, they really failed at getting my wife and I to sympathize with Ellie. She's an incredibly irritating protagonist (both dumb and a selfish jerk). It seems like a combination of bad writing, casting, acting and directing.

A good example is that argument she has with Jesse before they split up. The way Jesse reacts to her seems to suggest she's right that he's a hypocrite. But the way it's written and delivered does not convince me even a little bit.

And then when they reunite in the theater we're supposed to believe her when she says she would go to the ends of the earth for him? When she literally just declined to do that for Tommy cause she was too selfish? It's totally incoherent.