Is Gorman right sized in his current role?
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Re: Is Gorman right sized in his current role?
I'd be surprised if Arenado doesn't sit out a couple days, maybe even this next series.
So Gorman has at least the chance for a few consecutive starts, assuming Oli has any desire to give him more PT (not a safe assumption imo).
So Gorman has at least the chance for a few consecutive starts, assuming Oli has any desire to give him more PT (not a safe assumption imo).
Re: Is Gorman right sized in his current role?
This thread is literally about Gorman. It’s not about the cardinals overall play. I don’t understand your criticism. Go to a different thread if you want to talk about their last 20 games.scoutyjones2 wrote: ↑26 May 2025 07:40 amPlans change. It's funny because you see the dichotomy of placing blame on going by a script with a lineup, or calling it Oli pad. Then the Cards deviate, and they go 16-4 on their last 20, and that's unacceptable.woofy25 wrote: ↑26 May 2025 02:53 amAgain, for the 1000th time, the cardinals provided a 2025 plan during the offseason. It’s not my plan. It’s not your plan. It was their plan, and they deviated from it less than a month into the season. Gorman could be and should be playing far more than he is. I stated above that when any of those guys needs a day off, Gorman could be in the lineup. He could easily play 4 days/week. If they continue playing him at the rate they currently are, which is on pace for 250 ABs, then come the offseason, they are not going to have an educated idea of what to do with him. They are not putting him in a position that allows him to succeed or fail on his own. He is getting set up for failure bc very few people can thrive on 250 ABs.scoutyjones2 wrote: ↑25 May 2025 21:14 pmAnd make the team worse. UniKKKorn needs to be down on the farm, not struggling with a 53 OPS+woofy25 wrote: ↑25 May 2025 20:52 pmLiterally, who could he replace? Well, he could replace anyone of the following when they need a day off: Donovan, Arenado, Burleson, Herrera, Nootbar, Scott, Walker, Winn…..literally anyone except the starting catcher.scoutyjones2 wrote: ↑25 May 2025 12:29 pmWho is he replacing in the lineup?woofy25 wrote: ↑25 May 2025 05:53 am Is there anything easier than saying one doesn’t see the hype with a once highly regarded prospect hitting under .200 and is barely playing?
He was untouchable in 2021 and 2022 for a reason and had a very good 2023/age 23 season that should have made you excited for his future. He clearly has fallen off the wagon since then.
Gorman is Exhibit A showing the cardinals have not stuck to their stated 2025 plan![]()
Kid needs ABs in AAA...he's failed and flailed at MLB. League found his huge and obvious weakness and exploited it.
His numbers suck worse year after year. 53 OPS+![]()
Whining about a 50 ish OPS + hitter not getting enough consistent ABs while going 16-4, is just CT being CT.
What is wrong with sending him down?
Again, I think there will be decisions made around the 60 game mark
Re: Is Gorman right sized in his current role?
Their plans were not altered in the slightest bc Maton is the literally the only new guy they picked up. I will respectfully but fully disagree with your view.hullie wrote: ↑26 May 2025 08:19 amTheir stated plan was altered when the top exercised their NT clausewoofy25 wrote: ↑25 May 2025 05:53 am Is there anything easier than saying one doesn’t see the hype with a once highly regarded prospect hitting under .200 and is barely playing?
He was untouchable in 2021 and 2022 for a reason and had a very good 2023/age 23 season that should have made you excited for his future. He clearly has fallen off the wagon since then.
Gorman is Exhibit A showing the cardinals have not stuck to their stated 2025 plan
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Re: Is Gorman right sized in his current role?
Yes, plans change.sikeston bulldog2 wrote: ↑26 May 2025 08:18 amYou make a good point reference AAA. I still think they had a play plan for him, but this hot stretch has them focused on same lineup. Gorman now seems to be day off relief.scoutyjones2 wrote: ↑26 May 2025 08:14 amNo, the minors to see if he can resucitate the brief glimpses he's shown. No need to trade.sikeston bulldog2 wrote: ↑26 May 2025 07:45 amGorman has a couple other things not in his favor. As you note, team is sizzling. No smart manager is gonna deviate much from that position. Gorman in this scenario is a man on an island.scoutyjones2 wrote: ↑26 May 2025 07:40 amPlans change. It's funny because you see the dichotomy of placing blame on going by a script with a lineup, or calling it Oli pad. Then the Cards deviate, and they go 16-4 on their last 20, and that's unacceptable.woofy25 wrote: ↑26 May 2025 02:53 amAgain, for the 1000th time, the cardinals provided a 2025 plan during the offseason. It’s not my plan. It’s not your plan. It was their plan, and they deviated from it less than a month into the season. Gorman could be and should be playing far more than he is. I stated above that when any of those guys needs a day off, Gorman could be in the lineup. He could easily play 4 days/week. If they continue playing him at the rate they currently are, which is on pace for 250 ABs, then come the offseason, they are not going to have an educated idea of what to do with him. They are not putting him in a position that allows him to succeed or fail on his own. He is getting set up for failure bc very few people can thrive on 250 ABs.scoutyjones2 wrote: ↑25 May 2025 21:14 pmAnd make the team worse. UniKKKorn needs to be down on the farm, not struggling with a 53 OPS+woofy25 wrote: ↑25 May 2025 20:52 pmLiterally, who could he replace? Well, he could replace anyone of the following when they need a day off: Donovan, Arenado, Burleson, Herrera, Nootbar, Scott, Walker, Winn…..literally anyone except the starting catcher.scoutyjones2 wrote: ↑25 May 2025 12:29 pmWho is he replacing in the lineup?woofy25 wrote: ↑25 May 2025 05:53 am Is there anything easier than saying one doesn’t see the hype with a once highly regarded prospect hitting under .200 and is barely playing?
He was untouchable in 2021 and 2022 for a reason and had a very good 2023/age 23 season that should have made you excited for his future. He clearly has fallen off the wagon since then.
Gorman is Exhibit A showing the cardinals have not stuck to their stated 2025 plan![]()
Kid needs ABs in AAA...he's failed and flailed at MLB. League found his huge and obvious weakness and exploited it.
His numbers suck worse year after year. 53 OPS+![]()
Whining about a 50 ish OPS + hitter not getting enough consistent ABs while going 16-4, is just CT being CT.
What is wrong with sending him down?
Again, I think there will be decisions made around the 60 game mark
Position. Who does he replace- gold glove Nado or gold glove Donny.
Team chemistry. A bittxch to achieve- an even big issue to continue it.
I see the boy in a trade. Solves that problem.
A poor bat without a position but supposed power, needs to be in AAA working things out. Very simple, unless he has no options left to go down to AAA
Re: Is Gorman right sized in his current role?
Perfect analysis.woofy25 wrote: ↑26 May 2025 02:53 amAgain, for the 1000th time, the cardinals provided a 2025 plan during the offseason. It’s not my plan. It’s not your plan. It was their plan, and they deviated from it less than a month into the season. Gorman could be and should be playing far more than he is. I stated above that when any of those guys needs a day off, Gorman could be in the lineup. He could easily play 4 days/week. If they continue playing him at the rate they currently are, which is on pace for 250 ABs, then come the offseason, they are not going to have an educated idea of what to do with him. They are not putting him in a position that allows him to succeed or fail on his own. He is getting set up for failure bc very few people can thrive on 250 ABs.scoutyjones2 wrote: ↑25 May 2025 21:14 pmAnd make the team worse. UniKKKorn needs to be down on the farm, not struggling with a 53 OPS+woofy25 wrote: ↑25 May 2025 20:52 pmLiterally, who could he replace? Well, he could replace anyone of the following when they need a day off: Donovan, Arenado, Burleson, Herrera, Nootbar, Scott, Walker, Winn…..literally anyone except the starting catcher.scoutyjones2 wrote: ↑25 May 2025 12:29 pmWho is he replacing in the lineup?woofy25 wrote: ↑25 May 2025 05:53 am Is there anything easier than saying one doesn’t see the hype with a once highly regarded prospect hitting under .200 and is barely playing?
He was untouchable in 2021 and 2022 for a reason and had a very good 2023/age 23 season that should have made you excited for his future. He clearly has fallen off the wagon since then.
Gorman is Exhibit A showing the cardinals have not stuck to their stated 2025 plan![]()
Kid needs ABs in AAA...he's failed and flailed at MLB. League found his huge and obvious weakness and exploited it.
His numbers suck worse year after year. 53 OPS+![]()
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Re: Is Gorman right sized in his current role?
So the Cards success and him not playing have no correlation? I do discuss the 53 OPS+ UniKKKorn and his lack of a position and asked whom should sit to get the struggling player in the game. He needs to go down to get regular playing time and see if he can get back to resembling a potential MLB player.woofy25 wrote: ↑26 May 2025 08:29 amThis thread is literally about Gorman. It’s not about the cardinals overall play. I don’t understand your criticism. Go to a different thread if you want to talk about their last 20 games.scoutyjones2 wrote: ↑26 May 2025 07:40 amPlans change. It's funny because you see the dichotomy of placing blame on going by a script with a lineup, or calling it Oli pad. Then the Cards deviate, and they go 16-4 on their last 20, and that's unacceptable.woofy25 wrote: ↑26 May 2025 02:53 amAgain, for the 1000th time, the cardinals provided a 2025 plan during the offseason. It’s not my plan. It’s not your plan. It was their plan, and they deviated from it less than a month into the season. Gorman could be and should be playing far more than he is. I stated above that when any of those guys needs a day off, Gorman could be in the lineup. He could easily play 4 days/week. If they continue playing him at the rate they currently are, which is on pace for 250 ABs, then come the offseason, they are not going to have an educated idea of what to do with him. They are not putting him in a position that allows him to succeed or fail on his own. He is getting set up for failure bc very few people can thrive on 250 ABs.scoutyjones2 wrote: ↑25 May 2025 21:14 pmAnd make the team worse. UniKKKorn needs to be down on the farm, not struggling with a 53 OPS+woofy25 wrote: ↑25 May 2025 20:52 pmLiterally, who could he replace? Well, he could replace anyone of the following when they need a day off: Donovan, Arenado, Burleson, Herrera, Nootbar, Scott, Walker, Winn…..literally anyone except the starting catcher.scoutyjones2 wrote: ↑25 May 2025 12:29 pmWho is he replacing in the lineup?woofy25 wrote: ↑25 May 2025 05:53 am Is there anything easier than saying one doesn’t see the hype with a once highly regarded prospect hitting under .200 and is barely playing?
He was untouchable in 2021 and 2022 for a reason and had a very good 2023/age 23 season that should have made you excited for his future. He clearly has fallen off the wagon since then.
Gorman is Exhibit A showing the cardinals have not stuck to their stated 2025 plan![]()
Kid needs ABs in AAA...he's failed and flailed at MLB. League found his huge and obvious weakness and exploited it.
His numbers suck worse year after year. 53 OPS+![]()
Whining about a 50 ish OPS + hitter not getting enough consistent ABs while going 16-4, is just CT being CT.
What is wrong with sending him down?
Again, I think there will be decisions made around the 60 game mark

Moran. It's not rocket surgery or brain science.
CT eyes themselves that..."the plan, but the plan...". Player is a failure while the team has success. Guess what, they'd wet themselves asking, "why is UniKKKorn playing?!". Plans are that...just a plan
They are maleable and require pivoting sometimes. To cry about UniKKKorn not playing is laughable. He brings nothing to the team and needs to find his value playing daily in AAA.
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Re: Is Gorman right sized in his current role?
No. But it could be- Brain Salad Surgery.scoutyjones2 wrote: ↑26 May 2025 09:02 amSo the Cards success and him not playing have no correlation? I do discuss the 53 OPS+ UniKKKorn and his lack of a position and asked whom should sit to get the struggling player in the game. He needs to go down to get regular playing time and see if he can get back to resembling a potential MLB player.woofy25 wrote: ↑26 May 2025 08:29 amThis thread is literally about Gorman. It’s not about the cardinals overall play. I don’t understand your criticism. Go to a different thread if you want to talk about their last 20 games.scoutyjones2 wrote: ↑26 May 2025 07:40 amPlans change. It's funny because you see the dichotomy of placing blame on going by a script with a lineup, or calling it Oli pad. Then the Cards deviate, and they go 16-4 on their last 20, and that's unacceptable.woofy25 wrote: ↑26 May 2025 02:53 amAgain, for the 1000th time, the cardinals provided a 2025 plan during the offseason. It’s not my plan. It’s not your plan. It was their plan, and they deviated from it less than a month into the season. Gorman could be and should be playing far more than he is. I stated above that when any of those guys needs a day off, Gorman could be in the lineup. He could easily play 4 days/week. If they continue playing him at the rate they currently are, which is on pace for 250 ABs, then come the offseason, they are not going to have an educated idea of what to do with him. They are not putting him in a position that allows him to succeed or fail on his own. He is getting set up for failure bc very few people can thrive on 250 ABs.scoutyjones2 wrote: ↑25 May 2025 21:14 pmAnd make the team worse. UniKKKorn needs to be down on the farm, not struggling with a 53 OPS+woofy25 wrote: ↑25 May 2025 20:52 pmLiterally, who could he replace? Well, he could replace anyone of the following when they need a day off: Donovan, Arenado, Burleson, Herrera, Nootbar, Scott, Walker, Winn…..literally anyone except the starting catcher.scoutyjones2 wrote: ↑25 May 2025 12:29 pmWho is he replacing in the lineup?woofy25 wrote: ↑25 May 2025 05:53 am Is there anything easier than saying one doesn’t see the hype with a once highly regarded prospect hitting under .200 and is barely playing?
He was untouchable in 2021 and 2022 for a reason and had a very good 2023/age 23 season that should have made you excited for his future. He clearly has fallen off the wagon since then.
Gorman is Exhibit A showing the cardinals have not stuck to their stated 2025 plan![]()
Kid needs ABs in AAA...he's failed and flailed at MLB. League found his huge and obvious weakness and exploited it.
His numbers suck worse year after year. 53 OPS+![]()
Whining about a 50 ish OPS + hitter not getting enough consistent ABs while going 16-4, is just CT being CT.
What is wrong with sending him down?
Again, I think there will be decisions made around the 60 game mark![]()
Moran. It's not rocket surgery or brain science
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Re: Is Gorman right sized in his current role?
sikeston bulldog2 wrote: ↑26 May 2025 09:05 amNo. But it could be- Brain Salad Surgery.scoutyjones2 wrote: ↑26 May 2025 09:02 amSo the Cards success and him not playing have no correlation? I do discuss the 53 OPS+ UniKKKorn and his lack of a position and asked whom should sit to get the struggling player in the game. He needs to go down to get regular playing time and see if he can get back to resembling a potential MLB player.woofy25 wrote: ↑26 May 2025 08:29 amThis thread is literally about Gorman. It’s not about the cardinals overall play. I don’t understand your criticism. Go to a different thread if you want to talk about their last 20 games.scoutyjones2 wrote: ↑26 May 2025 07:40 amPlans change. It's funny because you see the dichotomy of placing blame on going by a script with a lineup, or calling it Oli pad. Then the Cards deviate, and they go 16-4 on their last 20, and that's unacceptable.woofy25 wrote: ↑26 May 2025 02:53 amAgain, for the 1000th time, the cardinals provided a 2025 plan during the offseason. It’s not my plan. It’s not your plan. It was their plan, and they deviated from it less than a month into the season. Gorman could be and should be playing far more than he is. I stated above that when any of those guys needs a day off, Gorman could be in the lineup. He could easily play 4 days/week. If they continue playing him at the rate they currently are, which is on pace for 250 ABs, then come the offseason, they are not going to have an educated idea of what to do with him. They are not putting him in a position that allows him to succeed or fail on his own. He is getting set up for failure bc very few people can thrive on 250 ABs.scoutyjones2 wrote: ↑25 May 2025 21:14 pmAnd make the team worse. UniKKKorn needs to be down on the farm, not struggling with a 53 OPS+woofy25 wrote: ↑25 May 2025 20:52 pmLiterally, who could he replace? Well, he could replace anyone of the following when they need a day off: Donovan, Arenado, Burleson, Herrera, Nootbar, Scott, Walker, Winn…..literally anyone except the starting catcher.scoutyjones2 wrote: ↑25 May 2025 12:29 pmWho is he replacing in the lineup?woofy25 wrote: ↑25 May 2025 05:53 am Is there anything easier than saying one doesn’t see the hype with a once highly regarded prospect hitting under .200 and is barely playing?
He was untouchable in 2021 and 2022 for a reason and had a very good 2023/age 23 season that should have made you excited for his future. He clearly has fallen off the wagon since then.
Gorman is Exhibit A showing the cardinals have not stuck to their stated 2025 plan![]()
Kid needs ABs in AAA...he's failed and flailed at MLB. League found his huge and obvious weakness and exploited it.
His numbers suck worse year after year. 53 OPS+![]()
Whining about a 50 ish OPS + hitter not getting enough consistent ABs while going 16-4, is just CT being CT.
What is wrong with sending him down?
Again, I think there will be decisions made around the 60 game mark![]()
Moran. It's not rocket surgery or brain science

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Re: Is Gorman right sized in his current role?
I did that for you. I figured you’d get it. Good job.scoutyjones2 wrote: ↑26 May 2025 09:06 amsikeston bulldog2 wrote: ↑26 May 2025 09:05 amNo. But it could be- Brain Salad Surgery.scoutyjones2 wrote: ↑26 May 2025 09:02 amSo the Cards success and him not playing have no correlation? I do discuss the 53 OPS+ UniKKKorn and his lack of a position and asked whom should sit to get the struggling player in the game. He needs to go down to get regular playing time and see if he can get back to resembling a potential MLB player.woofy25 wrote: ↑26 May 2025 08:29 amThis thread is literally about Gorman. It’s not about the cardinals overall play. I don’t understand your criticism. Go to a different thread if you want to talk about their last 20 games.scoutyjones2 wrote: ↑26 May 2025 07:40 amPlans change. It's funny because you see the dichotomy of placing blame on going by a script with a lineup, or calling it Oli pad. Then the Cards deviate, and they go 16-4 on their last 20, and that's unacceptable.woofy25 wrote: ↑26 May 2025 02:53 amAgain, for the 1000th time, the cardinals provided a 2025 plan during the offseason. It’s not my plan. It’s not your plan. It was their plan, and they deviated from it less than a month into the season. Gorman could be and should be playing far more than he is. I stated above that when any of those guys needs a day off, Gorman could be in the lineup. He could easily play 4 days/week. If they continue playing him at the rate they currently are, which is on pace for 250 ABs, then come the offseason, they are not going to have an educated idea of what to do with him. They are not putting him in a position that allows him to succeed or fail on his own. He is getting set up for failure bc very few people can thrive on 250 ABs.scoutyjones2 wrote: ↑25 May 2025 21:14 pmAnd make the team worse. UniKKKorn needs to be down on the farm, not struggling with a 53 OPS+woofy25 wrote: ↑25 May 2025 20:52 pmLiterally, who could he replace? Well, he could replace anyone of the following when they need a day off: Donovan, Arenado, Burleson, Herrera, Nootbar, Scott, Walker, Winn…..literally anyone except the starting catcher.scoutyjones2 wrote: ↑25 May 2025 12:29 pmWho is he replacing in the lineup?woofy25 wrote: ↑25 May 2025 05:53 am Is there anything easier than saying one doesn’t see the hype with a once highly regarded prospect hitting under .200 and is barely playing?
He was untouchable in 2021 and 2022 for a reason and had a very good 2023/age 23 season that should have made you excited for his future. He clearly has fallen off the wagon since then.
Gorman is Exhibit A showing the cardinals have not stuck to their stated 2025 plan![]()
Kid needs ABs in AAA...he's failed and flailed at MLB. League found his huge and obvious weakness and exploited it.
His numbers suck worse year after year. 53 OPS+![]()
Whining about a 50 ish OPS + hitter not getting enough consistent ABs while going 16-4, is just CT being CT.
What is wrong with sending him down?
Again, I think there will be decisions made around the 60 game mark![]()
Moran. It's not rocket surgery or brain sciencewELP played
Re: Is Gorman right sized in his current role?
It closed a spot for Gorman at First and third. It closed a spot for a young pitcher. Glad it did.woofy25 wrote: ↑26 May 2025 08:31 amTheir plans were not altered in the slightest bc Maton is the literally the only new guy they picked up. I will respectfully but fully disagree with your view.hullie wrote: ↑26 May 2025 08:19 amTheir stated plan was altered when the top exercised their NT clausewoofy25 wrote: ↑25 May 2025 05:53 am Is there anything easier than saying one doesn’t see the hype with a once highly regarded prospect hitting under .200 and is barely playing?
He was untouchable in 2021 and 2022 for a reason and had a very good 2023/age 23 season that should have made you excited for his future. He clearly has fallen off the wagon since then.
Gorman is Exhibit A showing the cardinals have not stuck to their stated 2025 plan
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Re: Is Gorman right sized in his current role?
LoL. Plans are maleable not statichullie wrote: ↑26 May 2025 09:27 amIt closed a spot for Gorman at First and third. It closed a spot for a young pitcher. Glad it did.woofy25 wrote: ↑26 May 2025 08:31 amTheir plans were not altered in the slightest bc Maton is the literally the only new guy they picked up. I will respectfully but fully disagree with your view.hullie wrote: ↑26 May 2025 08:19 amTheir stated plan was altered when the top exercised their NT clausewoofy25 wrote: ↑25 May 2025 05:53 am Is there anything easier than saying one doesn’t see the hype with a once highly regarded prospect hitting under .200 and is barely playing?
He was untouchable in 2021 and 2022 for a reason and had a very good 2023/age 23 season that should have made you excited for his future. He clearly has fallen off the wagon since then.
Gorman is Exhibit A showing the cardinals have not stuck to their stated 2025 plan
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When did I say anything about the cardinals overall performance compared to gormans lack of playing time? I literally have said nothing about the two. You just make stuff up as you go, then resort to calling people names. Dont you think after 5-10 years, the moran shtick might be overplayed? It was funny for about 5 minutes.scoutyjones2 wrote: ↑26 May 2025 09:02 amSo the Cards success and him not playing have no correlation? I do discuss the 53 OPS+ UniKKKorn and his lack of a position and asked whom should sit to get the struggling player in the game. He needs to go down to get regular playing time and see if he can get back to resembling a potential MLB player.woofy25 wrote: ↑26 May 2025 08:29 amThis thread is literally about Gorman. It’s not about the cardinals overall play. I don’t understand your criticism. Go to a different thread if you want to talk about their last 20 games.scoutyjones2 wrote: ↑26 May 2025 07:40 amPlans change. It's funny because you see the dichotomy of placing blame on going by a script with a lineup, or calling it Oli pad. Then the Cards deviate, and they go 16-4 on their last 20, and that's unacceptable.woofy25 wrote: ↑26 May 2025 02:53 amAgain, for the 1000th time, the cardinals provided a 2025 plan during the offseason. It’s not my plan. It’s not your plan. It was their plan, and they deviated from it less than a month into the season. Gorman could be and should be playing far more than he is. I stated above that when any of those guys needs a day off, Gorman could be in the lineup. He could easily play 4 days/week. If they continue playing him at the rate they currently are, which is on pace for 250 ABs, then come the offseason, they are not going to have an educated idea of what to do with him. They are not putting him in a position that allows him to succeed or fail on his own. He is getting set up for failure bc very few people can thrive on 250 ABs.scoutyjones2 wrote: ↑25 May 2025 21:14 pmAnd make the team worse. UniKKKorn needs to be down on the farm, not struggling with a 53 OPS+woofy25 wrote: ↑25 May 2025 20:52 pmLiterally, who could he replace? Well, he could replace anyone of the following when they need a day off: Donovan, Arenado, Burleson, Herrera, Nootbar, Scott, Walker, Winn…..literally anyone except the starting catcher.scoutyjones2 wrote: ↑25 May 2025 12:29 pmWho is he replacing in the lineup?woofy25 wrote: ↑25 May 2025 05:53 am Is there anything easier than saying one doesn’t see the hype with a once highly regarded prospect hitting under .200 and is barely playing?
He was untouchable in 2021 and 2022 for a reason and had a very good 2023/age 23 season that should have made you excited for his future. He clearly has fallen off the wagon since then.
Gorman is Exhibit A showing the cardinals have not stuck to their stated 2025 plan![]()
Kid needs ABs in AAA...he's failed and flailed at MLB. League found his huge and obvious weakness and exploited it.
His numbers suck worse year after year. 53 OPS+![]()
Whining about a 50 ish OPS + hitter not getting enough consistent ABs while going 16-4, is just CT being CT.
What is wrong with sending him down?
Again, I think there will be decisions made around the 60 game mark![]()
Moran. It's not rocket surgery or brain science.
CT eyes themselves that..."the plan, but the plan...". Player is a failure while the team has success. Guess what, they'd wet themselves asking, "why is UniKKKorn playing?!". Plans are that...just a plan
They are maleable and require pivoting sometimes. To cry about UniKKKorn not playing is laughable. He brings nothing to the team and needs to find his value playing daily in AAA.
Plans of 400-500 ABs changed after about 60 ABs. I’m simply calling out the organizations lack of discipline, and how they’re going to be in the same position with Gorman this winter as they were last winter. If you want them to continue on the hamster wheel, then by all means, soak up that strategy. I’m against it
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Re: Is Gorman right sized in his current role?
So the plan was only about Nolan Gorman? Young players like Victor Scott and Ivan Herrera are being given a runway and are taking advantage of it. Pages is a young catcher getting opportunities. He can't hit apparently but for now is an asset as a catcher. Walker is being given a runway due to age and position and the gave he hits RH. Burleson has done enough to trusted more as a hitter than Gorman. Libatore and Pallante have been given runways as starters. Leahy as a reliever of importance. Other young relievers were given chances but so far have not succeeded.
There are lots of young players being given runways. Nootbar and Donavon are getting chances as everyday lineup fixtures. Winn is given full runway as the only shortstop at 22. No vets were added to remove anybodies playing time.
It was not the Nolan Gorman plan, it was the young players being given the keys to the kingdom plan and so far it has worked nicely. Gorman has nobody but himself to blame for his performance and has not earned playing time on this current big league roster.
Many young players are being given chances and are doung well overall.
There are lots of young players being given runways. Nootbar and Donavon are getting chances as everyday lineup fixtures. Winn is given full runway as the only shortstop at 22. No vets were added to remove anybodies playing time.
It was not the Nolan Gorman plan, it was the young players being given the keys to the kingdom plan and so far it has worked nicely. Gorman has nobody but himself to blame for his performance and has not earned playing time on this current big league roster.
Many young players are being given chances and are doung well overall.
Re: Is Gorman right sized in his current role?
The runway plan was largely based around Gorman and Walker. Liberatore didn’t win a spot in the rotation until late in ST. Scott wasn’t the expected starting CFer in October when the plan was unveiled. Winn was already the starting SS. Runway didn’t apply to him. Nootbaar and Donovan aren’t runway players either. Pages plays bc Herrera can’t catch.Bob Kunush wrote: ↑26 May 2025 11:01 am So the plan was only about Nolan Gorman? Young players like Victor Scott and Ivan Herrera are being given a runway and are taking advantage of it. Pages is a young catcher getting opportunities. He can't hit apparently but for now is an asset as a catcher. Walker is being given a runway due to age and position and the gave he hits RH. Burleson has done enough to trusted more as a hitter than Gorman. Libatore and Pallante have been given runways as starters. Leahy as a reliever of importance. Other young relievers were given chances but so far have not succeeded.
There are lots of young players being given runways. Nootbar and Donavon are getting chances as everyday lineup fixtures. Winn is given full runway as the only shortstop at 22. No vets were added to remove anybodies playing time.
It was not the Nolan Gorman plan, it was the young players being given the keys to the kingdom plan and so far it has worked nicely. Gorman has nobody but himself to blame for his performance and has not earned playing time on this current big league roster.
Many young players are being given chances and are doung well overall.
Playing Walker, Gorman, and Herrera was the focus. Gorman needs a min 400 ABs in order to provide a fair assessment of where he belongs in ‘26 and beyond. If he gets 250 ABs, then the cardinals probably move him in the offseason, and that could backfire spectacularly. Maybe not. Maybe Gorman is a bad major leaguer who is out of the game before he becomes a FA. Making the assessment that he’s a bad major leaguer forever after 80 ABs is foolish.
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Re: Is Gorman right sized in his current role?
He's had far more than 80 at bats. He has had a terrible last year going back to his runway last summer when he floundered in the majors and did little in AAA. He had a lousy spring training. To make this whole reset about Gorman is just silly. Its about all the younger players.
Re: Is Gorman right sized in his current role?
Correct.woofy25 wrote: ↑26 May 2025 11:17 amThe runway plan was largely based around Gorman and Walker. Liberatore didn’t win a spot in the rotation until late in ST. Scott wasn’t the expected starting CFer in October when the plan was unveiled. Winn was already the starting SS. Runway didn’t apply to him. Nootbaar and Donovan aren’t runway players either. Pages plays bc Herrera can’t catch.Bob Kunush wrote: ↑26 May 2025 11:01 am So the plan was only about Nolan Gorman? Young players like Victor Scott and Ivan Herrera are being given a runway and are taking advantage of it. Pages is a young catcher getting opportunities. He can't hit apparently but for now is an asset as a catcher. Walker is being given a runway due to age and position and the gave he hits RH. Burleson has done enough to trusted more as a hitter than Gorman. Libatore and Pallante have been given runways as starters. Leahy as a reliever of importance. Other young relievers were given chances but so far have not succeeded.
There are lots of young players being given runways. Nootbar and Donavon are getting chances as everyday lineup fixtures. Winn is given full runway as the only shortstop at 22. No vets were added to remove anybodies playing time.
It was not the Nolan Gorman plan, it was the young players being given the keys to the kingdom plan and so far it has worked nicely. Gorman has nobody but himself to blame for his performance and has not earned playing time on this current big league roster.
Many young players are being given chances and are doung well overall.
Playing Walker, Gorman, and Herrera was the focus. Gorman needs a min 400 ABs in order to provide a fair assessment of where he belongs in ‘26 and beyond. If he gets 250 ABs, then the cardinals probably move him in the offseason, and that could backfire spectacularly. Maybe not. Maybe Gorman is a bad major leaguer who is out of the game before he becomes a FA. Making the assessment that he’s a bad major leaguer forever after 80 ABs is foolish.
The specifically stated plan was to give Herrera (C), Walker, (RF) and Gorman (3B/2B) a full season of PA's in order to make informed position assignment decisions concerning 2026 and beyond, which would in turn inform roster construction decisions.
Two of those three stated objectives have been abandoned.