RFAs

[Zizzle1297]

I know alot of people I hear want to offer sheet Bouchard but I would be more interested in trading for the RfA rights for Noah Dobson. What would it take? NYI are an aging team. Would a package of Adam Jirichek, Devo be enough? Too much? What would you guys give up?

[SameOldBlues]

Id love to get Dobson and would give up quite alot, but Id do everything in my power not to put Devo in the deal. If thats the only way to get em, id still probably do it.

[Zizzle1297]

I ve a few say he might even stick as a center if thats the case why not trade him since we are so deep on wing. Then you trade Kryou for a center or sign someone long term

.just for example

Kryou for Elias Pettersson(not saying him necessarily)

Neighbors Thomas, Snuggy
Holloway, EP, Buchy
Bolduc, Schenn, Joseph
Torpo, Faska, Walker
Sunny, xxx

[danno]

We don't have the draft picks necessary to offer sheet anyone of significance this summer and we're not in a good enough position to trade away any of our young inexpensive talent. For these reasons, I expect to see pretty much the same roster returning for the start of the 25-26 season. However, I could see Army and the Schnoz trying to add a depth free agent [non-RFA] center if the $$ and term fits the organizational strategy going forward.

[TheJackBurton]

No. Dvorsky isn't getting included in any trade deal unless it's a massive, massive, massive upgrade and Noah Dobson doesn't even register for that.

[TheHighHat]

No. Dvorsky isn't getting included in any trade deal unless it's a massive, massive, massive upgrade and Noah Dobson doesn't even register for that.

Dobson would be a massive upgrade but why would the Islanders trade him?

They have zero good RHD prospects.
After Dobson signs his new deal, the Islanders will have all 3 (Dobson, Pulock, & Mayfield) of their RHD under contract until at least 2030.

Romanov also will sign a new deal.
They have Pelech, George, and Bolduc behind him at LHD
Oh yeah, they're also going to draft Schaefer so the Isles are set at D for awhile.

Romanov-Dobson
Pelech-Pulock
George-Mayfield
Schaefer
Bolduc

I can be convinced that Darche would trade Romanov or Pelech for forward help because Schaefer will be in the fold on the left side, but no way on Dobson.

If you believe in the theory of building from the goal out, the Islanders are set with Sorokin and their d corps.
However, their forwards are horrible. Old, overrated, and overpaid for many of them.

[Harry S Deals]

No. Dvorsky isn't getting included in any trade deal unless it's a massive, massive, massive upgrade and Noah Dobson doesn't even register for that.

Dobson would be a massive upgrade but why would the Islanders trade him?

They have zero good RHD prospects.
After Dobson signs his new deal, the Islanders will have all 3 (Dobson, Pulock, & Mayfield) of their RHD under contract until at least 2030.

Romanov also will sign a new deal.
They have Pelech, George, and Bolduc behind him at LHD
Oh yeah, they're also going to draft Schaefer so the Isles are set at D for awhile.

Romanov-Dobson
Pelech-Pulock
George-Mayfield
Schaefer
Bolduc

I can be convinced that Darche would trade Romanov or Pelech for forward help because Schaefer will be in the fold on the left side, but no way on Dobson.

If you believe in the theory of building from the goal out, the Islanders are set with Sorokin and their d corps.
However, their forwards are horrible. Old, overrated, and overpaid for many of them.

Someone would have to be dealt namely Faulk for this to make any sense

[IsDurbanodoingtime]

No. Dvorsky isn't getting included in any trade deal unless it's a massive, massive, massive upgrade and Noah Dobson doesn't even register for that.

Dobson would be a massive upgrade but why would the Islanders trade him?

They have zero good RHD prospects.
After Dobson signs his new deal, the Islanders will have all 3 (Dobson, Pulock, & Mayfield) of their RHD under contract until at least 2030.

Romanov also will sign a new deal.
They have Pelech, George, and Bolduc behind him at LHD
Oh yeah, they're also going to draft Schaefer so the Isles are set at D for awhile.

Romanov-Dobson
Pelech-Pulock
George-Mayfield
Schaefer
Bolduc

I can be convinced that Darche would trade Romanov or Pelech for forward help because Schaefer will be in the fold on the left side, but no way on Dobson.

If you believe in the theory of building from the goal out, the Islanders are set with Sorokin and their d corps.
However, their forwards are horrible. Old, overrated, and overpaid for many of them.

Schaefer is the reason darche would entertain Dobson for forward help. If you didnt think kyrou is the answer going forward, a kyrou for dobson straight up hockey deal potentially makes sense for both sides. After his new deal, dobson will get paid the same if not slightly more than kyrou. Maybe then sign someone like granlund as a transition to waiting for your young forwards to develop.

[moose-and-squirrel]

the one they'd WANT to move is Mayfield. unfortunately I think they overpaid him on his last contract. wouldn't be a bad get tho

[kimzey59]

We don't have the draft picks necessary to offer sheet anyone of significance this summer and we're not in a good enough position to trade away any of our young inexpensive talent. For these reasons, I expect to see pretty much the same roster returning for the start of the 25-26 season. However, I could see Army and the Schnoz trying to add a depth free agent [non-RFA] center if the $$ and term fits the organizational strategy going forward.

Factually incorrect.
Offer sheets issued this summer would be using our '26 draft picks as compensation.
Not that I want to move them; but the only '26 pick we're missing is our 2nd rounder, and we have 2 extra 5th rounders(3 total). Those picks could absolutely be put in play if Army wants to do it.

https://puckpedia.com/news/nhl-announce ... heet-tiers
1st and 3rd compensation: 4.68-7.02 mil
Just a 3rd: 1.54-2.34 mil

Not sure anyone is out there that warrants going the offer sheet route(and even less sure if any team would let Army pull that move off a second time); but we absolutely have the ammo to do it if we really wanted to.

[TheJackBurton]

No. Dvorsky isn't getting included in any trade deal unless it's a massive, massive, massive upgrade and Noah Dobson doesn't even register for that.

Dobson would be a massive upgrade but why would the Islanders trade him?

They have zero good RHD prospects.
After Dobson signs his new deal, the Islanders will have all 3 (Dobson, Pulock, & Mayfield) of their RHD under contract until at least 2030.

Romanov also will sign a new deal.
They have Pelech, George, and Bolduc behind him at LHD
Oh yeah, they're also going to draft Schaefer so the Isles are set at D for awhile.

Romanov-Dobson
Pelech-Pulock
George-Mayfield
Schaefer
Bolduc

I can be convinced that Darche would trade Romanov or Pelech for forward help because Schaefer will be in the fold on the left side, but no way on Dobson.

If you believe in the theory of building from the goal out, the Islanders are set with Sorokin and their d corps.
However, their forwards are horrible. Old, overrated, and overpaid for many of them.

Sorry, I don't agree.

He would be a massive upgrade for our defense no doubt, but then what are we immediately looking for? Yep, you guessed it a center.

He's a young potential top 6 center who can put up 60 points regularly and will be cost controlled for 5-7 years. You just don't give that up, unless it's for a young cost controlled center who is the equivalent and already producing in the NHL.

He's pretty untouchable in my eyes. We can make the playoffs with the defense we have, and we can improve it through other trades. We can't ignore the center position anymore and expect to get by with what we currently have.

[TheHighHat]

No. Dvorsky isn't getting included in any trade deal unless it's a massive, massive, massive upgrade and Noah Dobson doesn't even register for that.

Dobson would be a massive upgrade but why would the Islanders trade him?

They have zero good RHD prospects.
After Dobson signs his new deal, the Islanders will have all 3 (Dobson, Pulock, & Mayfield) of their RHD under contract until at least 2030.

Romanov also will sign a new deal.
They have Pelech, George, and Bolduc behind him at LHD
Oh yeah, they're also going to draft Schaefer so the Isles are set at D for awhile.

Romanov-Dobson
Pelech-Pulock
George-Mayfield
Schaefer
Bolduc

I can be convinced that Darche would trade Romanov or Pelech for forward help because Schaefer will be in the fold on the left side, but no way on Dobson.

If you believe in the theory of building from the goal out, the Islanders are set with Sorokin and their d corps.
However, their forwards are horrible. Old, overrated, and overpaid for many of them.

Sorry, I don't agree.

He would be a massive upgrade for our defense no doubt, but then what are we immediately looking for? Yep, you guessed it a center.

He's a young potential top 6 center who can put up 60 points regularly and will be cost controlled for 5-7 years. You just don't give that up, unless it's for a young cost controlled center who is the equivalent and already producing in the NHL.

He's pretty untouchable in my eyes. We can make the playoffs with the defense we have, and we can improve it through other trades. We can't ignore the center position anymore and expect to get by with what we currently have.

I didn't say anything about trading Dvorsky.
My reply to you was for the statement about Dobson not being a massive upgrade: "Noah Dobson doesn't even register for that"
Since you are now stating that Dobson would be a massive upgrade perhaps I misinterpreted your original post.
I'm now assuming you meant that because of the potential loss of Dvo (net improvement) in the trade.
I also wanted to lay out why it is highly unlikely for NY to trade Dobson.

I will say this regarding Dvorsky. A few weeks back several posters stated that there is no way they would trade a proven winger (Kyrou or Buch) for an unproven RHD (Nemec).
I just find it interesting that our top unproven player is considered untouchable by most.
I agree with you that it would be unwise to trade our best center prospect since Thomas.

I would however trade Kyrou+ in a heartbeat for Dobson even though it's highly unlikely as stated in my original post.
I would trade Buch for Nemec if that was an option.
I would trade Kyrou to NJ in an expanded deal since Buch is less likely to get moved.

Smart teams trade from positions of strength to improve positions of weakness.
The Blues strength is their wingers which just happens to be the easiest position to refill.

It seems that many around here think the Blues can trade their slop (Joseph & Texier) for improvement at center or RHD.
Those 2 dogs have zero to negative trade value.
We're eating that 5 million for another year boys.

If the Blues are going to improve their team via trade, the player(s) leaving STL will sting but that's what happens in trades. You have to give to get.

#25 is the obvious trade candidate for many reasons that have been beaten to death.

For the record I don't expect any major trades from STL this summer.

[TheJackBurton]

No. Dvorsky isn't getting included in any trade deal unless it's a massive, massive, massive upgrade and Noah Dobson doesn't even register for that.

Dobson would be a massive upgrade but why would the Islanders trade him?

They have zero good RHD prospects.
After Dobson signs his new deal, the Islanders will have all 3 (Dobson, Pulock, & Mayfield) of their RHD under contract until at least 2030.

Romanov also will sign a new deal.
They have Pelech, George, and Bolduc behind him at LHD
Oh yeah, they're also going to draft Schaefer so the Isles are set at D for awhile.

Romanov-Dobson
Pelech-Pulock
George-Mayfield
Schaefer
Bolduc

I can be convinced that Darche would trade Romanov or Pelech for forward help because Schaefer will be in the fold on the left side, but no way on Dobson.

If you believe in the theory of building from the goal out, the Islanders are set with Sorokin and their d corps.
However, their forwards are horrible. Old, overrated, and overpaid for many of them.

Sorry, I don't agree.

He would be a massive upgrade for our defense no doubt, but then what are we immediately looking for? Yep, you guessed it a center.

He's a young potential top 6 center who can put up 60 points regularly and will be cost controlled for 5-7 years. You just don't give that up, unless it's for a young cost controlled center who is the equivalent and already producing in the NHL.

He's pretty untouchable in my eyes. We can make the playoffs with the defense we have, and we can improve it through other trades. We can't ignore the center position anymore and expect to get by with what we currently have.

I didn't say anything about trading Dvorsky.
My reply to you was for the statement about Dobson not being a massive upgrade: "Noah Dobson doesn't even register for that"
Since you are now stating that Dobson would be a massive upgrade perhaps I misinterpreted your original post.
I'm now assuming you meant that because of the potential loss of Dvo (net improvement) in the trade.
I also wanted to lay out why it is highly unlikely for NY to trade Dobson.

I will say this regarding Dvorsky. A few weeks back several posters stated that there is no way they would trade a proven winger (Kyrou or Buch) for an unproven RHD (Nemec).
I just find it interesting that our top unproven player is considered untouchable by most.
I agree with you that it would be unwise to trade our best center prospect since Thomas.

I would however trade Kyrou+ in a heartbeat for Dobson even though it's highly unlikely as stated in my original post.
I would trade Buch for Nemec if that was an option.
I would trade Kyrou to NJ in an expanded deal since Buch is less likely to get moved.

Smart teams trade from positions of strength to improve positions of weakness.
The Blues strength is their wingers which just happens to be the easiest position to refill.

It seems that many around here think the Blues can trade their slop (Joseph & Texier) for improvement at center or RHD.
Those 2 dogs have zero to negative trade value.
We're eating that 5 million for another year boys.

If the Blues are going to improve their team via trade, the player(s) leaving STL will sting but that's what happens in trades. You have to give to get.

#25 is the obvious trade candidate for many reasons that have been beaten to death.

For the record I don't expect any major trades from STL this summer.

Yeah that was my point. The OP had us trading Devorsky for him. I'm simply not trading a potential top 6 center that is cost controlled for years unless it's for a better player at that position.

We have plenty of other areas we can trade from that will be quality value for a Noah Dobson.

I also wouldn't trade Kyrou for him as we don't have anyone who can replace his scoring at this point. Now if we acquire someone that can come close I'd be far more open to it, but I'm trading prospects and picks not a roster player.

As far as Texier and Joseph, if one becomes available there will be some takers, just won't get much back. They would be nothing but filler in a trade, but Texier has shown potential. Of the two he's the most likely to get traded as Joseph can easily be a 13th forward where he can fill in on the 3rd and 4th lines and also is a penalty killer.

[SameOldBlues]

No. Dvorsky isn't getting included in any trade deal unless it's a massive, massive, massive upgrade and Noah Dobson doesn't even register for that.

Dobson would be a massive upgrade but why would the Islanders trade him?

They have zero good RHD prospects.
After Dobson signs his new deal, the Islanders will have all 3 (Dobson, Pulock, & Mayfield) of their RHD under contract until at least 2030.

Romanov also will sign a new deal.
They have Pelech, George, and Bolduc behind him at LHD
Oh yeah, they're also going to draft Schaefer so the Isles are set at D for awhile.

Romanov-Dobson
Pelech-Pulock
George-Mayfield
Schaefer
Bolduc

I can be convinced that Darche would trade Romanov or Pelech for forward help because Schaefer will be in the fold on the left side, but no way on Dobson.

If you believe in the theory of building from the goal out, the Islanders are set with Sorokin and their d corps.
However, their forwards are horrible. Old, overrated, and overpaid for many of them.

Sorry, I don't agree.

He would be a massive upgrade for our defense no doubt, but then what are we immediately looking for? Yep, you guessed it a center.

He's a young potential top 6 center who can put up 60 points regularly and will be cost controlled for 5-7 years. You just don't give that up, unless it's for a young cost controlled center who is the equivalent and already producing in the NHL.

He's pretty untouchable in my eyes. We can make the playoffs with the defense we have, and we can improve it through other trades. We can't ignore the center position anymore and expect to get by with what we currently have.

I didn't say anything about trading Dvorsky.
My reply to you was for the statement about Dobson not being a massive upgrade: "Noah Dobson doesn't even register for that"
Since you are now stating that Dobson would be a massive upgrade perhaps I misinterpreted your original post.
I'm now assuming you meant that because of the potential loss of Dvo (net improvement) in the trade.
I also wanted to lay out why it is highly unlikely for NY to trade Dobson.

I will say this regarding Dvorsky. A few weeks back several posters stated that there is no way they would trade a proven winger (Kyrou or Buch) for an unproven RHD (Nemec).
I just find it interesting that our top unproven player is considered untouchable by most.
I agree with you that it would be unwise to trade our best center prospect since Thomas.

I would however trade Kyrou+ in a heartbeat for Dobson even though it's highly unlikely as stated in my original post.
I would trade Buch for Nemec if that was an option.
I would trade Kyrou to NJ in an expanded deal since Buch is less likely to get moved.

Smart teams trade from positions of strength to improve positions of weakness.
The Blues strength is their wingers which just happens to be the easiest position to refill.

It seems that many around here think the Blues can trade their slop (Joseph & Texier) for improvement at center or RHD.
Those 2 dogs have zero to negative trade value.
We're eating that 5 million for another year boys.

If the Blues are going to improve their team via trade, the player(s) leaving STL will sting but that's what happens in trades. You have to give to get.

#25 is the obvious trade candidate for many reasons that have been beaten to death.

For the record I don't expect any major trades from STL this summer.

Awesome, very knowledgeable post.

[dhsux]

We don't have the draft picks necessary to offer sheet anyone of significance this summer and we're not in a good enough position to trade away any of our young inexpensive talent. For these reasons, I expect to see pretty much the same roster returning for the start of the 25-26 season. However, I could see Army and the Schnoz trying to add a depth free agent [non-RFA] center if the $$ and term fits the organizational strategy going forward.

Factually incorrect.
Offer sheets issued this summer would be using our '26 draft picks as compensation.
Not that I want to move them; but the only '26 pick we're missing is our 2nd rounder, and we have 2 extra 5th rounders(3 total). Those picks could absolutely be put in play if Army wants to do it.

https://puckpedia.com/news/nhl-announce ... heet-tiers
1st and 3rd compensation: 4.68-7.02 mil
Just a 3rd: 1.54-2.34 mil

Not sure anyone is out there that warrants going the offer sheet route(and even less sure if any team would let Army pull that move off a second time); but we absolutely have the ammo to do it if we really wanted to.

Agree the Blues either have or could have the ammo for another OS.

Not saying they would or should, just that the capital is there for such a move.

I think the Blues will likely try a stop gap move for 2C.

But I do think they need a bigger and more expensive move for a RHD.

I would at least inquire what Detroit would want for Seider.

[bluetunehead]

We don't have the draft picks necessary to offer sheet anyone of significance this summer and we're not in a good enough position to trade away any of our young inexpensive talent. For these reasons, I expect to see pretty much the same roster returning for the start of the 25-26 season. However, I could see Army and the Schnoz trying to add a depth free agent [non-RFA] center if the $$ and term fits the organizational strategy going forward.

Factually incorrect.
Offer sheets issued this summer would be using our '26 draft picks as compensation.
Not that I want to move them; but the only '26 pick we're missing is our 2nd rounder, and we have 2 extra 5th rounders(3 total). Those picks could absolutely be put in play if Army wants to do it.

https://puckpedia.com/news/nhl-announce ... heet-tiers
1st and 3rd compensation: 4.68-7.02 mil
Just a 3rd: 1.54-2.34 mil

Not sure anyone is out there that warrants going the offer sheet route(and even less sure if any team would let Army pull that move off a second time); but we absolutely have the ammo to do it if we really wanted to.

Agree the Blues either have or could have the ammo for another OS.

Not saying they would or should, just that the capital is there for such a move.

I think the Blues will likely try a stop gap move for 2C.

But I do think they need a bigger and more expensive move for a RHD.

I would at least inquire what Detroit would want for Seider.

You might see some offer sheets this summer inspired by Armstrong’s move last year, but with the cap exploding the next few seasons it’s going to be much harder to pull off. Teams are going to have a lot more cap wiggle room.