Liberatore is not a SP

[moose-and-squirrel]

some hot takes in this thread lol

[hugeCardfan]

I disagree. And I didn't think I'd say that. Libby's been about as good as you could hope for our #5

Name me all the teams that have 5th starters with 5.84 eras that start a full year. No a near 6 era is not as good as you can hope for from a 5th starter. Good grief. Bit would rank as bottim 3 in the league most years. Plenty of teams have 5th starters with sub 5 eras

If these are the numbers after 20-30 starts, I may come around to your way of thinking because as has been mentioned- he is good in the pen. I want to see if he can be good as a starter, and now is the time to see. I think he can be. If so, he is much more valuable as a starter.

You really need to see more? Last night was his 26th MLB start spread over 4 seasons. He's been awful the majority of them and it's always the same thing: prone to the big inning or two.

On the other hand, he's a LH force out of the pen. I'd be beyond p*ssed if I were McGreevy.

McGreevy should be (upset) at Mikolas, who has had the 2nd worst ERA in baseball the last 2 years and is off to another wonderful start with an 11.25 ERA and 2.00 WHIP.

It’s a reset year. Starting Libby makes sense, starting Mikolas doesn’t.

Still feel that way? I would take issue.

[hugeCardfan]

Literally, Mo is an idiot. How many times does he have to have Liberatore in the starting rotation and fail before he accepts that he has more value in the BP? I mean WTF Gus?

Is Mo trying to completely destroy his value? Still if it's between him and Mikolas... we'll good knowing you lizard man, don't let the door hit your (bleep) on the way out.

11 strikeouts, 0 walks, 2.36 FIP / 2.54 xFIP through 2 starts.

Yeah, he should get a long leash.

Tied to the doghouse.

Back to the pen with him. He ain't got it. Not the make up nor the stuff for repeated looks by a line up.

Not many lefties amount to much. So not a big shocker. Yet, he can carve himself out a solid career as mid reliever / spot starter. And at the end a Choate role. Come in to face that one batter. Walk him, give up a hit, maybe hit him and back to the bench. A good gig if you can get it. I'm too old or I would apply. Also, not a lefty.

Yo Daze… how are we looking on this?

You're looking pretty good. dazepster has a swing and a miss.

[Futuregm2]

I disagree. And I didn't think I'd say that. Libby's been about as good as you could hope for our #5

Name me all the teams that have 5th starters with 5.84 eras that start a full year. No a near 6 era is not as good as you can hope for from a 5th starter. Good grief. Bit would rank as bottim 3 in the league most years. Plenty of teams have 5th starters with sub 5 eras

If these are the numbers after 20-30 starts, I may come around to your way of thinking because as has been mentioned- he is good in the pen. I want to see if he can be good as a starter, and now is the time to see. I think he can be. If so, he is much more valuable as a starter.

You really need to see more? Last night was his 26th MLB start spread over 4 seasons. He's been awful the majority of them and it's always the same thing: prone to the big inning or two.

On the other hand, he's a LH force out of the pen. I'd be beyond p*ssed if I were McGreevy.

McGreevy should be (upset) at Mikolas, who has had the 2nd worst ERA in baseball the last 2 years and is off to another wonderful start with an 11.25 ERA and 2.00 WHIP.

It’s a reset year. Starting Libby makes sense, starting Mikolas doesn’t.

Still feel that way? I would take issue.

Mikolas has been a nice surprise. He’s still the SP that is keeping McGreevy from the rotation though. He’s gone after this year and is the oldest pitcher in the rotation with the worst recent track record prior to his last 5-6 outings.

[moose-and-squirrel]

Literally, Mo is an idiot. How many times does he have to have Liberatore in the starting rotation and fail before he accepts that he has more value in the BP? I mean WTF Gus?

Is Mo trying to completely destroy his value? Still if it's between him and Mikolas... we'll good knowing you lizard man, don't let the door hit your (bleep) on the way out.

11 strikeouts, 0 walks, 2.36 FIP / 2.54 xFIP through 2 starts.

Yeah, he should get a long leash.

Tied to the doghouse.

Back to the pen with him. He ain't got it. Not the make up nor the stuff for repeated looks by a line up.

Not many lefties amount to much. So not a big shocker. Yet, he can carve himself out a solid career as mid reliever / spot starter. And at the end a Choate role. Come in to face that one batter. Walk him, give up a hit, maybe hit him and back to the bench. A good gig if you can get it. I'm too old or I would apply. Also, not a lefty.

Yo Daze… how are we looking on this?

You're looking pretty good. dazepster has a swing and a miss.

guess what happens when you don't have to worry about a bad start.. or a bad inning for that matter.. costing you your next start

[hugeCardfan]

I disagree. And I didn't think I'd say that. Libby's been about as good as you could hope for our #5

Name me all the teams that have 5th starters with 5.84 eras that start a full year. No a near 6 era is not as good as you can hope for from a 5th starter. Good grief. Bit would rank as bottim 3 in the league most years. Plenty of teams have 5th starters with sub 5 eras

If these are the numbers after 20-30 starts, I may come around to your way of thinking because as has been mentioned- he is good in the pen. I want to see if he can be good as a starter, and now is the time to see. I think he can be. If so, he is much more valuable as a starter.

You really need to see more? Last night was his 26th MLB start spread over 4 seasons. He's been awful the majority of them and it's always the same thing: prone to the big inning or two.

On the other hand, he's a LH force out of the pen. I'd be beyond p*ssed if I were McGreevy.

McGreevy should be (upset) at Mikolas, who has had the 2nd worst ERA in baseball the last 2 years and is off to another wonderful start with an 11.25 ERA and 2.00 WHIP.

It’s a reset year. Starting Libby makes sense, starting Mikolas doesn’t.

Still feel that way? I would take issue.

Mikolas has been a nice surprise. He’s still the SP that is keeping McGreevy from the rotation though. He’s gone after this year and is the oldest pitcher in the rotation with the worst recent track record prior to his last 5-6 outings.

True, that he is in the way of McGreevy. I still think McGreevy is in a good place to work on his stuff and Mikolas might be building up for a TD. I'm really comfortable with all of that.

[Banner29]

I disagree. And I didn't think I'd say that. Libby's been about as good as you could hope for our #5

Name me all the teams that have 5th starters with 5.84 eras that start a full year. No a near 6 era is not as good as you can hope for from a 5th starter. Good grief. Bit would rank as bottim 3 in the league most years. Plenty of teams have 5th starters with sub 5 eras

If these are the numbers after 20-30 starts, I may come around to your way of thinking because as has been mentioned- he is good in the pen. I want to see if he can be good as a starter, and now is the time to see. I think he can be. If so, he is much more valuable as a starter.

You really need to see more? Last night was his 26th MLB start spread over 4 seasons. He's been awful the majority of them and it's always the same thing: prone to the big inning or two.

On the other hand, he's a LH force out of the pen. I'd be beyond p*ssed if I were McGreevy.

McGreevy should be (upset) at Mikolas, who has had the 2nd worst ERA in baseball the last 2 years and is off to another wonderful start with an 11.25 ERA and 2.00 WHIP.

It’s a reset year. Starting Libby makes sense, starting Mikolas doesn’t.

Still feel that way? I would take issue.

Mikolas has been a nice surprise. He’s still the SP that is keeping McGreevy from the rotation though. He’s gone after this year and is the oldest pitcher in the rotation with the worst recent track record prior to his last 5-6 outings.

Yeah. Not(trying) to take anything away from Mikolas who has certainly rebounded but I’d still rather see Mcgreevy take the mound than I would him, in a reset year. If it helps his value at the trade deadline then that’s great. But they need to figure out how to get Mcgreevy consistent big league starts regardless of how Mikolas continues to pitch this season. This isn’t a World Series competing year and he’s gone after this year anyway.

[thetank2]

I disagree. And I didn't think I'd say that. Libby's been about as good as you could hope for our #5

Name me all the teams that have 5th starters with 5.84 eras that start a full year. No a near 6 era is not as good as you can hope for from a 5th starter. Good grief. Bit would rank as bottim 3 in the league most years. Plenty of teams have 5th starters with sub 5 eras

If these are the numbers after 20-30 starts, I may come around to your way of thinking because as has been mentioned- he is good in the pen. I want to see if he can be good as a starter, and now is the time to see. I think he can be. If so, he is much more valuable as a starter.

You really need to see more? Last night was his 26th MLB start spread over 4 seasons. He's been awful the majority of them and it's always the same thing: prone to the big inning or two.

On the other hand, he's a LH force out of the pen. I'd be beyond p*ssed if I were McGreevy.

McGreevy should be (upset) at Mikolas, who has had the 2nd worst ERA in baseball the last 2 years and is off to another wonderful start with an 11.25 ERA and 2.00 WHIP.

It’s a reset year. Starting Libby makes sense, starting Mikolas doesn’t.

Still feel that way? I would take issue.

Mikolas has been a nice surprise. He’s still the SP that is keeping McGreevy from the rotation though. He’s gone after this year and is the oldest pitcher in the rotation with the worst recent track record prior to his last 5-6 outings.

Yeah. Not(trying) to take anything away from Mikolas who has certainly rebounded but I’d still rather see Mcgreevy take the mound than I would him, in a reset year. If it helps his value at the trade deadline then that’s great. But they need to figure out how to get Mcgreevy consistent big league starts regardless of how Mikolas continues to pitch this season. This isn’t a World Series competing year and he’s gone after this year anyway.

Get into the playoffs and win series. We aren't benching Mikolas and he isn't going to waive his NTC.

You are one miserable ..

[Banner29]

I disagree. And I didn't think I'd say that. Libby's been about as good as you could hope for our #5

Name me all the teams that have 5th starters with 5.84 eras that start a full year. No a near 6 era is not as good as you can hope for from a 5th starter. Good grief. Bit would rank as bottim 3 in the league most years. Plenty of teams have 5th starters with sub 5 eras

If these are the numbers after 20-30 starts, I may come around to your way of thinking because as has been mentioned- he is good in the pen. I want to see if he can be good as a starter, and now is the time to see. I think he can be. If so, he is much more valuable as a starter.

You really need to see more? Last night was his 26th MLB start spread over 4 seasons. He's been awful the majority of them and it's always the same thing: prone to the big inning or two.

On the other hand, he's a LH force out of the pen. I'd be beyond p*ssed if I were McGreevy.

McGreevy should be (upset) at Mikolas, who has had the 2nd worst ERA in baseball the last 2 years and is off to another wonderful start with an 11.25 ERA and 2.00 WHIP.

It’s a reset year. Starting Libby makes sense, starting Mikolas doesn’t.

Still feel that way? I would take issue.

Mikolas has been a nice surprise. He’s still the SP that is keeping McGreevy from the rotation though. He’s gone after this year and is the oldest pitcher in the rotation with the worst recent track record prior to his last 5-6 outings.

Yeah. Not(trying) to take anything away from Mikolas who has certainly rebounded but I’d still rather see Mcgreevy take the mound than I would him, in a reset year. If it helps his value at the trade deadline then that’s great. But they need to figure out how to get Mcgreevy consistent big league starts regardless of how Mikolas continues to pitch this season. This isn’t a World Series competing year and he’s gone after this year anyway.

Get into the playoffs and win series. We aren't benching Mikolas and he isn't going to waive his NTC.

You are one miserable ..

Says the guy who hates Chaim Bloom

[thetank2]

I disagree. And I didn't think I'd say that. Libby's been about as good as you could hope for our #5

Name me all the teams that have 5th starters with 5.84 eras that start a full year. No a near 6 era is not as good as you can hope for from a 5th starter. Good grief. Bit would rank as bottim 3 in the league most years. Plenty of teams have 5th starters with sub 5 eras

If these are the numbers after 20-30 starts, I may come around to your way of thinking because as has been mentioned- he is good in the pen. I want to see if he can be good as a starter, and now is the time to see. I think he can be. If so, he is much more valuable as a starter.

You really need to see more? Last night was his 26th MLB start spread over 4 seasons. He's been awful the majority of them and it's always the same thing: prone to the big inning or two.

On the other hand, he's a LH force out of the pen. I'd be beyond p*ssed if I were McGreevy.

McGreevy should be (upset) at Mikolas, who has had the 2nd worst ERA in baseball the last 2 years and is off to another wonderful start with an 11.25 ERA and 2.00 WHIP.

It’s a reset year. Starting Libby makes sense, starting Mikolas doesn’t.

Still feel that way? I would take issue.

Mikolas has been a nice surprise. He’s still the SP that is keeping McGreevy from the rotation though. He’s gone after this year and is the oldest pitcher in the rotation with the worst recent track record prior to his last 5-6 outings.

Yeah. Not(trying) to take anything away from Mikolas who has certainly rebounded but I’d still rather see Mcgreevy take the mound than I would him, in a reset year. If it helps his value at the trade deadline then that’s great. But they need to figure out how to get Mcgreevy consistent big league starts regardless of how Mikolas continues to pitch this season. This isn’t a World Series competing year and he’s gone after this year anyway.

Get into the playoffs and win series. We aren't benching Mikolas and he isn't going to waive his NTC.

You are one miserable ..

Says the guy who hates Chaim Bloom

I don't hate Bloom. I think he will have to average 90 wins for many years to match Mo.

[Wattage]

I will eat my crow

[Banner29]

I disagree. And I didn't think I'd say that. Libby's been about as good as you could hope for our #5

Name me all the teams that have 5th starters with 5.84 eras that start a full year. No a near 6 era is not as good as you can hope for from a 5th starter. Good grief. Bit would rank as bottim 3 in the league most years. Plenty of teams have 5th starters with sub 5 eras

If these are the numbers after 20-30 starts, I may come around to your way of thinking because as has been mentioned- he is good in the pen. I want to see if he can be good as a starter, and now is the time to see. I think he can be. If so, he is much more valuable as a starter.

You really need to see more? Last night was his 26th MLB start spread over 4 seasons. He's been awful the majority of them and it's always the same thing: prone to the big inning or two.

On the other hand, he's a LH force out of the pen. I'd be beyond p*ssed if I were McGreevy.

McGreevy should be (upset) at Mikolas, who has had the 2nd worst ERA in baseball the last 2 years and is off to another wonderful start with an 11.25 ERA and 2.00 WHIP.

It’s a reset year. Starting Libby makes sense, starting Mikolas doesn’t.

Still feel that way? I would take issue.

Mikolas has been a nice surprise. He’s still the SP that is keeping McGreevy from the rotation though. He’s gone after this year and is the oldest pitcher in the rotation with the worst recent track record prior to his last 5-6 outings.

Yeah. Not(trying) to take anything away from Mikolas who has certainly rebounded but I’d still rather see Mcgreevy take the mound than I would him, in a reset year. If it helps his value at the trade deadline then that’s great. But they need to figure out how to get Mcgreevy consistent big league starts regardless of how Mikolas continues to pitch this season. This isn’t a World Series competing year and he’s gone after this year anyway.

Get into the playoffs and win series. We aren't benching Mikolas and he isn't going to waive his NTC.

You are one miserable ..

Says the guy who hates Chaim Bloom

I don't hate Bloom. I think he will have to average 90 wins for many years to match Mo.

You hate him and hope he fails. Pathetic

[Dazepster]

Literally, Mo is an idiot. How many times does he have to have Liberatore in the starting rotation and fail before he accepts that he has more value in the BP? I mean WTF Gus?

Is Mo trying to completely destroy his value? Still if it's between him and Mikolas... we'll good knowing you lizard man, don't let the door hit your (bleep) on the way out.

11 strikeouts, 0 walks, 2.36 FIP / 2.54 xFIP through 2 starts.

Yeah, he should get a long leash.

Tied to the doghouse.

Back to the pen with him. He ain't got it. Not the make up nor the stuff for repeated looks by a line up.

Not many lefties amount to much. So not a big shocker. Yet, he can carve himself out a solid career as mid reliever / spot starter. And at the end a Choate role. Come in to face that one batter. Walk him, give up a hit, maybe hit him and back to the bench. A good gig if you can get it. I'm too old or I would apply. Also, not a lefty.

Yo Daze… how are we looking on this?

You're looking pretty good. dazepster has a swing and a miss.

Tried to pick him up in our Fantasy league. Didn't bid high enough. Served me right.

Glad to be wrong. Won't be the last time.

Maybe it was this very thread that lit a fire under him. Lol

[Bob Kunush]

These posts are fun to look back on. I see a lot of the early posters are the typical negative complainers who still troll on here, especially when the team loses. They think every player who struggles is terrible forever and that every move made by the manager that doesn't work is the worst move ever. Then they mostly scurry away when things go well. Its almost a comedy act.

[Ronnie Dobbs]

These posts are fun to look back on. I see a lot of the early posters are the typical negative complainers who still troll on here, especially when the team loses. They think every player who struggles is terrible forever and that every move made by the manager that doesn't work is the worst move ever. Then they mostly scurry away when things go well. Its almost a comedy act.

While I was definitely hoping for him to get a real chance to stick in the rotation this year, I was way more positive about him on the outside than I was on the inside. On the inside I was pretty skeptical that he was going to get it together, even if I believed that he had been grossly mishandled by the organization.

Glad to see him put it together. I'd be looking to lock him up long term as soon as he's willing.

[nighthawk]

Since there are delusional expectations for every Cardinal prospect, repentance is futile.