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TheFantasyStud
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Pages is the new Siani

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Pages is taking away Walker and Gorman runway. Sure which Herrera could catch. He’s a huge bat at catcher.
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TheFantasyStud wrote: 23 May 2025 18:18 pm Pages is taking away Walker and Gorman runway. Sure which Herrera could catch. He’s a huge bat at catcher.
LoL. No...just no.

His OPS+ is 50% greater and doesn't play either of their positions.

Neither of those slugs deserve a spot once game 60, or so, comes around and they still suck
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TheFantasyStud wrote: 23 May 2025 18:18 pm Pages is taking away Walker and Gorman runway. Sure which Herrera could catch. He’s a huge bat at catcher.
Huh?????
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I’m wondering if they are concerned about Herreras knee. Have to have his bat in the line up so they are playing it safe with him. I get what you are saying though. I would rather have Walker, Gorman or Burly in the line up instead of Pages.
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IndCard75 wrote: 23 May 2025 21:48 pm I’m wondering if they are concerned about Herreras knee. Have to have his bat in the line up so they are playing it safe with him. I get what you are saying though. I would rather have Walker, Gorman or Burly in the line up instead of Pages.
Or maybe it’s because Ivan can’t throw anyone out…
He’s 0-7 this year and 6/73 or 8% career.
Negative in blocking as well.
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ClassicO wrote: 23 May 2025 21:51 pm
IndCard75 wrote: 23 May 2025 21:48 pm I’m wondering if they are concerned about Herreras knee. Have to have his bat in the line up so they are playing it safe with him. I get what you are saying though. I would rather have Walker, Gorman or Burly in the line up instead of Pages.
Or maybe it’s because Ivan can’t throw anyone out…
He’s 0-7 this year and 6/73 or 8% career.
Negative in blocking as well.
Yeah, pitchers love it when every hit they give up becomes a runner in scoring position. Besides, Pages showed some decent hitting in the minors, not Herrera, but better than a young Molina. Maybe they are giving HIM a chance.
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IndCard75 wrote: 23 May 2025 21:48 pm I’m wondering if they are concerned about Herreras knee. Have to have his bat in the line up so they are playing it safe with him. I get what you are saying though. I would rather have Walker, Gorman or Burly in the line up instead of Pages.
No, he sucks at catching
Teams run rampant because he can't throw out runners.
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Herrera can’t catch unfortunately.
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ClassicO wrote: 23 May 2025 21:51 pm
IndCard75 wrote: 23 May 2025 21:48 pm I’m wondering if they are concerned about Herreras knee. Have to have his bat in the line up so they are playing it safe with him. I get what you are saying though. I would rather have Walker, Gorman or Burly in the line up instead of Pages.
Or maybe it’s because Ivan can’t throw anyone out…
He’s 0-7 this year and 6/73 or 8% career.
Negative in blocking as well.
THIS. Great hitter though.
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ClassicO wrote: 23 May 2025 21:51 pm
IndCard75 wrote: 23 May 2025 21:48 pm I’m wondering if they are concerned about Herreras knee. Have to have his bat in the line up so they are playing it safe with him. I get what you are saying though. I would rather have Walker, Gorman or Burly in the line up instead of Pages.
Or maybe it’s because Ivan can’t throw anyone out…
He’s 0-7 this year and 6/73 or 8% career.
Negative in blocking as well.
Herrera appears to be a prototypical DH. They need to spell Pages with Pozo but really Pages does a great job with the pitchers and I wouldn't upset that cart at all. A catcher's job handling the pitchers is the number 1 priority.
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Pages is the backup catcher. They're not required to hit. It's nice when they do but that's not their job.
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CCard wrote: 24 May 2025 06:11 am
ClassicO wrote: 23 May 2025 21:51 pm
IndCard75 wrote: 23 May 2025 21:48 pm I’m wondering if they are concerned about Herreras knee. Have to have his bat in the line up so they are playing it safe with him. I get what you are saying though. I would rather have Walker, Gorman or Burly in the line up instead of Pages.
Or maybe it’s because Ivan can’t throw anyone out…
He’s 0-7 this year and 6/73 or 8% career.
Negative in blocking as well.
Herrera appears to be a prototypical DH. They need to spell Pages with Pozo but really Pages does a great job with the pitchers and I wouldn't upset that cart at all. A catcher's job handling the pitchers is the number 1 priority.
Yep, Pages is doing a fine job in his current role. The Cardinals look to have C depth coming up in the milb. Instead of trying to fit a square peg into a round hole, start the process of IH getting some work at different positions and try to find him a good fit. If it ends up DH is his best fit, ok, looks like his bat is legit.
Somewhat similar to Contreras with a lot of differences (contradiction alert), the Cards need to move forward with how they utilize Herrera. Looks like that process has already started, and I commend them for that.
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By my count the Cardinals are 9-4 since Herrera got off the IL on May 9th. I think he has caught only 1 game ( loss).
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I think Pages is passable offensively for a catcher. He's a sub 0.700 OPS kind of guy (at least for now), but he's had quite a few clutch hits. His OPS with RISP is 0.859 and has 17 RBIS in those 35 ABs. He gives you a chance, IMO.

I like Pages at the plate better than Gorman or Walker ATM.

I guess Herrera just isn't going to be an MLB catcher. 67 steals allowed in 73 attempts is pretty poor. But, lower A-ball stats were good. His AA and AAA arm stats were about average. Is he a bad catcher? I don't know.
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Hererra is NOT A CATCHER!

Let me repeat:

HERRRA IS NOT A CATCHER!

He's a fantastic option to be the FULL TIME DH.

The Cardinals have a plethora of catchers in the system, their cup runeth over w/outstanding catching prospects!

Hererra is a great hitter, the absolute definition of a DH given his catching shortcomings.

NO MORE calls for him to catch. :x
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rockondlouie wrote: 24 May 2025 09:25 am Hererra is NOT A CATCHER!

Let me repeat:

HERRRA IS NOT A CATCHER!

He's a fantastic option to be the FULL TIME DH.

The Cardinals have a plethora of catchers in the system, their cup runeth over w/outstanding catching prospects!

Hererra is a great hitter, the absolute definition of a DH given his catching shortcomings.

NO MORE calls for him to catch. :x
Are you saying- one, Herrera is a great hitter; two, we have filled the DH slot adequately.
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