Joe Williams … almost Ten Years Gone

[Harry York 37]

He dies in July 2015 as I recall.

A great guy who contributed to this forum daily and … was he not the moderator as well?

[thetank2]

He dies in July 2015 as I recall.

A great guy who contributed to this forum daily and … was he not the moderator as well?

His mother introduced herself to me a few days before he died. We were at a grocery store.

[WLTFE]

He dies in July 2015 as I recall.

A great guy who contributed to this forum daily and … was he not the moderator as well?

His mother introduced herself to me a few days before he died. We were at a grocery store.

Wow...what an interesting story...please continue to share your other fascinating encounters!

[MikoTython]

Thanks for sharing, doosh ^^

Joe was a great guy, miss him. Do they even bother with film reviews anymore ? STLPD doesn't usually come up in my mrqe searches these days.

[dutch]

It was fascinating to read his thoughts about the JFK assassination. I never went down any rabbit holes but I enjoyed reading his conspiracy thoughts and those few that intelligently debated him on this forum.

[GelatinousEndive]

I went to his …what’s it called? The viewing night before the funeral. His mom seemed really happy to have a reader of his there.

[BarkCampbell]

His obsession with the jfk assassination was...entertaining.
His film review scores were based upon how closely the film aligned with his personal politics. His public tweets admitted as much.
His job at the PD would've been terminated eventually given the state of the paper and print media these days.
His wife left him not too long before his demise. He was deeply depressed. Makes one wonder if the car crash was an accident or an "accident."

[MikoTython]

His obsession with the jfk assassination was...entertaining.
His film review scores were based upon how closely the film aligned with his personal politics. His public tweets admitted as much.
His job at the PD would've been terminated eventually given the state of the paper and print media these days.
His wife left him not too long before his demise. He was deeply depressed. Makes one wonder if the car crash was an accident or an "accident."

They should have hired you to deliver his eulogy.

[Harry York 37]

His obsession with the jfk assassination was...entertaining.
His film review scores were based upon how closely the film aligned with his personal politics. His public tweets admitted as much.
His job at the PD would've been terminated eventually given the state of the paper and print media these days.
His wife left him not too long before his demise. He was deeply depressed. Makes one wonder if the car crash was an accident or an "accident."

They should have hired you to deliver his eulogy.

His JFK research was admirable.
Anyone who seriously believes a career monster like Ruby would throw his life away “ to save Jackie from a trial”…


Joe was a good guy.
Un afraid of the consequences of telling the truth.

[Dicktar2023]

His obsession with the jfk assassination was...entertaining.
His film review scores were based upon how closely the film aligned with his personal politics. His public tweets admitted as much.
His job at the PD would've been terminated eventually given the state of the paper and print media these days.
His wife left him not too long before his demise. He was deeply depressed. Makes one wonder if the car crash was an accident or an "accident."

I've always assumed the CIA had Joe killed.

[MikoTython]

I think Oswald was the lone shooter, entirely too flaky to be a CIA asset. Possible the mob spun him up, but I doubt it. The forensics line up well with the evidence - there was no 'magic bullet'. If you've stood on 'the spot', you know it wasn't very far away, the target was moving fairly slowly in a vertical line at about 95-105 degrees from the window, slowly downward, very little yaw.

And if in fact Ruby was wired to take LHO out, it is in the most improbable way imaginable, if you've watched his timeline on Sunday. He was wiring one of his strippers a few bucks at the Western Union just minutes before LHO was in the process of being transferred, much behind advertised schedule.

Basically, I buy the Warren report. Could be missing on the machinations behind these two, but not the main events, the ultimate movers.

[Harry York 37]

I think Oswald was the lone shooter, entirely too flaky to be a CIA asset. Possible the mob spun him up, but I doubt it. The forensics line up well with the evidence - there was no 'magic bullet'. If you've stood on 'the spot', you know it wasn't very far away, the target was moving fairly slowly in a vertical line at about 95-105 degrees from the window, slowly downward, very little yaw.

And if in fact Ruby was wired to take LHO out, it is in the most improbable way imaginable, if you've watched his timeline on Sunday. He was wiring one of his strippers a few bucks at the Western Union just minutes before LHO was in the process of being transferred, much behind advertised schedule.

Basically, I buy the Warren report. Could be missing on the machinations behind these two, but not the main events, the ultimate movers.

it’s unlikely Oswald fired a shot.
No gunpowder test. The only eyewitness to put him at the scene of the Book Depository “nest” didn’t have his glasses on and swore he was firing standing up. The windows did not even allow that. At least two witnesses had him in the downstairs cafeteria.
He was involved, but as a patsy.
The rifle they “found” there changed make and model from the original report. The Money order used to purchase it was out of order and the rifle itself was laughably incapable of getting that many hits in that amount of time.
Most all who saw JFK’s head wounds -especially the throat “exit wound” claimed it was an entrance wound. Gerald Ford, one of two congressmen on the Commission admitted to altering the autopsy report so the “magic” bullet made sense.
The other congressman, a fiery progressive named Hale Boggs, refused to sign the report without his objections being listed. He was lied to and his objections were not included.The chairman of the commission was the former head of the CIA whom Kennedy had fired for the idiotic Bay of Pigs fiasco and had an axe to grind. Kennedy had double crossed the mob and the Cuban exiles felt he had double crossed them. That Dallas PD in 1963 was loaded with John Birchers who wouldn’t have spit on JFK if he was on fire.
It was 26 volumes without an index.
The majority of the American public didn’t believe it when it came out.
No one should.
if Ruby doesn’t pay his debts to the mob by executing Oswald, an actual fair trial would have not found him guilty.
It’s a six dollar download on amazon and is an easy read.

[MikoTython]

^^ Sorry, Harry, I don't buy any of that.

The exact rifle make has been test-fired, and found to be quite capable of reproducing those results. His fingerprints were on the rifle, his wife & wife's landlord acknowledged the weapon, it was stored at his wife's place, found missing afterwards. No way was he firing standing up, that's goofy. LHO fired SS in the Marines, his wife testified he spent a lot of time dry firing, she witnessed him returning from the failed attempt on the wacky wingnut General. The rifle was delivered to a POB LHO registered under a fake name. There were employees in the floor below who heard the shots, and the bolt racking between them. His friend who brought him to work that morning testified LHO was carrying 'curtain rods' wrapped up in concealment. He left the Depository immediately after the shooting, the ONLY employee to do so. He was positively identified by a bunch of folks SHOOTING officer Tippet. He tried to shoot the officers in the theater, but one of them alertly grabbed the cylinder and knocked his lights out. He was no patsy. He was a nut. He may have had someone whispering in his ear, I'll grant you - but who of substance depends upon a guy like that to run their op - and there is no other source of the shots that aligns w/ the forensics.

Just like most mis/disinformation/conspiracies, there's a cottage industry caring & feeding for them. The truth is most likely squalid & absurd. That's my take, bro.

[Harry York 37]

^^ Sorry, Harry, I don't buy any of that.

The exact rifle make has been test-fired, and found to be quite capable of reproducing those results. His fingerprints were on the rifle, his wife & wife's landlord acknowledged the weapon, it was stored at his wife's place, found missing afterwards. No way was he firing standing up, that's goofy. LHO fired SS in the Marines, his wife testified he spent a lot of time dry firing, she witnessed him returning from the failed attempt on the wacky wingnut General. The rifle was delivered to a POB LHO registered under a fake name. There were employees in the floor below who heard the shots, and the bolt racking between them. His friend who brought him to work that morning testified LHO was carrying 'curtain rods' wrapped up in concealment. He left the Depository immediately after the shooting, the ONLY employee to do so. He was positively identified by a bunch of folks SHOOTING officer Tippet. He tried to shoot the officers in the theater, but one of them alertly grabbed the cylinder and knocked his lights out. He was no patsy. He was a nut. He may have had someone whispering in his ear, I'll grant you - but who of substance depends upon a guy like that to run their op - and there is no other source of the shots that aligns w/ the forensics.

Just like most mis/disinformation/conspiracies, there's a cottage industry caring & feeding for them. The truth is most likely squalid & absurd. That's my take, bro.

His wife was a very young mother from the USSR. She said whatever kept her in America and out of jail, right?
Perspective is key.

Have you checked the “chain” of evidence? It was like the keystone cops. His fingerprints were not on the rifle a first. Then the rifle was taken out of the storage and the funeral home found themselves wiping ink off the hand of Oswald’s cadaver.


I’m not gonna break these down one by one for you. Joe did most of that extremely well.
The Warren Report was a farce.

If you read books as well researched as Joe’s … you will come around.
Oswald ws a miserable shot, btw, he failed his first shooting test. He only passed the second by two points. The rifle had a lousy bolt action and a misaligned sight.

The moral is- Don’t get murdered in Texas in 1963 if you are perceived as a Socialist.
Especially if the mob, most of the CIA, and your Texan Vice President make out well if you are dead.

[Pink Freud]

One thing I can never get out of my mind is how the most notorious crime figure in modern American history, Lee Harvey Oswald, was able to be attacked point blank inside a Dallas police station loading zone by a "known police figure" in Jack Ruby. How on earth does anyone, much less an armed local thug with a rap sheet, get that close to a presumed presidential assassin?

Now, since it's been 62 years, I think it's safe to show the sickest --- but hilarious --- poster from the JFK assassination. Notice the scrawl on the back wall: https://www.flickr.com/photos/28059239@N00/46750097

Re Joe Williams and the movies, I was delighted to join Joe with several other St. Louis ex-pats for three straight Oscar weekends at Boardner's, a pitch-dark tavern just off Hollywood Blvd. that was reputedly W. C. Fields' favorite watering hole. He boasted one of his fraternity brothers at USC was Brad Pitt. Joe liked to meet up at Boardner's at 6pm, "before all the hipsters get there".

I'm pretty sure Joe was living in his car in his final days, and may have fallen asleep at the wheel, leading to his fatal accident. https://www.ksdk.com/article/news/enter ... -532532270