Ronnie Dobbs wrote: ↑20 May 2025 18:04 pm
They're going to have to be awfully (drat) creative with anything they buy, because outside of JJ Wetherholt and some injured starting pitching prospects, there's not a lot there that's gonna bring back much. Well, I'd count Saggese in there as well, but I'd have to get something pretty nice back to trade him. Maybe you trade from your catching depth, but your catching depth gets less deep if Herrera moves off catcher.
Again, this is what the middle of the road last few seasons gets you.
The Cards shouldn’t be conventional buyers as you imply.
They could make a Bader for Monty type deal, where they take and add from the mlb roster.
McGreevy might be ready to take over for Miko, Fedde or even Pallante. Can you trade one of them for a good reliever or (fill in the blank of a need by late July)?
Cusecards wrote: ↑20 May 2025 16:51 pm
I have always taken issue with labeling teams as buyers or sellers.
The reason? Very few teams should be classified as one or the other.
In theory every team should in a buyers position.
Translation- they are looking to make a move(s) to improve their team.
As for sellers?
The only way I could see classifying a team as such is if:
They are old
They stink
They have a bloated payroll
Those three combined means you need to somehow TRY to get younger, better, and more in line from a salary standpoint.
As for the Cards?
Whether they are a serious contender or not they will need to address improving the team going forward.
And of course pending FA’s could be at the center
of it all.
How about guys just entering their arbitration years for low budget teams?
Goldfan wrote: ↑20 May 2025 15:34 pm
When are teams sellers 1 game out of Division title? I’d dump NA, only because he’s not productive and there are better options
There aren't better options unless we are trading for one. He has like the 5th highest WAR on the team.
Move Donny to 3b……stick Sagessee, JJ, or even Gorman at 2nd….tired of looking at him
They will wait until closer to the trading deadline, but if/when they have fallen back and decide to sell at that point, all of the playing time that went to Arenado, starts that went to Fedde and Mikolas, etc. in June and July that could have gone to Gorman/Sagesse, McGreevy/Graceffo, etc. will have been wasted. If they had sold last offseason, they would have made more use of this season.
ramfandan wrote: ↑20 May 2025 15:23 pm
On MLB Central TV show today , they had retired GM Dan O'Dowd as their guest . He was asked the title question .
O'Dowds comments :
'I think the Cardinals have been so good because they eliminated expectations. It's crazy but it's just kinda how the game works. I think they should continue to SELL up until their closer.
I think when you look at it ..you've got ..Nolan Gorman needs to play . He's not going to be the defensive player that Arenado is . I think he is going to produce if given a chance to play every single day . They just sent out Thomas Saggese ...he's a good player . Got no place to play. He should be in the mix.
When you look at Fedde , will they win a championship with those kinda pitchers ? I like McGreevy, I like Quinn Matthews ... they have young pitching coming on. .. The closer (pause ) I would hesitate on because as a young club you wanna win the games.
The Cardinals are stuck with the fact .. Is this team good enough to win a World Series ? If not, let's continue to tinker with it until they put the group together good enough to win the WS. THE END
Any points you agree with ? Disagree ?
The team should be applauded for overachieving, with that said the only correct answer is be a seller.
ecleme22 wrote: ↑20 May 2025 18:10 pmThe Cards shouldn’t be conventional buyers as you imply.
They could make a Bader for Monty type deal, where they take and add from the mlb roster.
McGreevy might be ready to take over for Miko, Fedde or even Pallante. Can you trade one of them for a good reliever or (fill in the blank of a need by late July)?
Yea, I wonder if it's going to be a trade from the MLB roster as well. No idea who it would be, but I just don't see them giving up up a bunch of prospects. Maybe if they can get a steal for some marginal guys, but I feel like it's going to be one of those Mo specials like Edman from last year.
mattmitchl44 wrote: ↑20 May 2025 18:33 pm
They will wait until closer to the trading deadline, but if/when they have fallen back and decide to sell at that point, all of the playing time that went to Arenado, starts that went to Fedde and Mikolas, etc. in June and July that could have gone to Gorman/Sagesse, McGreevy/Graceffo, etc. will have been wasted. If they had sold last offseason, they would have made more use of this season.
If they're where they are now or better, then add to the bullpen.
If they go into a tailspin and fall way behind the scrubbies, then see what you can get for Helsley, Fedde, Matz and NADO (Mikolas too if he'd waive the NTC).
But don't just give NADO away for salary relief, he has to being back a quality prospect.
ramfandan wrote: ↑20 May 2025 15:23 pm
On MLB Central TV show today , they had retired GM Dan O'Dowd as their guest . He was asked the title question .
O'Dowds comments :
'I think the Cardinals have been so good because they eliminated expectations. It's crazy but it's just kinda how the game works. I think they should continue to SELL up until their closer.
I think when you look at it ..you've got ..Nolan Gorman needs to play . He's not going to be the defensive player that Arenado is . I think he is going to produce if given a chance to play every single day . They just sent out Thomas Saggese ...he's a good player . Got no place to play. He should be in the mix.
When you look at Fedde , will they win a championship with those kinda pitchers ? I like McGreevy, I like Quinn Matthews ... they have young pitching coming on. .. The closer (pause ) I would hesitate on because as a young club you wanna win the games.
The Cardinals are stuck with the fact .. Is this team good enough to win a World Series ? If not, let's continue to tinker with it until they put the group together good enough to win the WS. THE END
Any points you agree with ? Disagree ?
Arenado being on roster adds to the difficulty in making a decision. Agree about Gorman but not sure any trade value.
rockondlouie wrote: ↑21 May 2025 08:46 amBut don't just give NADO away for salary relief, he has to being back a quality prospect.
Yea, I'm wondering if there's a way for them to make a trade from the MLB roster if they're in contention come deadline time that could involve Arenado (if he's playing well by then) to a team in desperate need of a 3B. If the Cardinals were willing to eat money to get something of value back it could clear up a lot of their playing time issues.
That said, it could also be a problem team chemistry and defense-wise. Also, we know BDW II's aversion to trading superstar name players like Arenado, although he apparently was good with it in the offseason. And if course there's that NTC. I guess it's a big long shot.
rockondlouie wrote: ↑21 May 2025 08:46 amBut don't just give NADO away for salary relief, he has to being back a quality prospect.
Yea, I'm wondering if there's a way for them to make a trade from the MLB roster if they're in contention come deadline time that could involve Arenado (if he's playing well by then) to a team in desperate need of a 3B. If the Cardinals were willing to eat money to get something of value back it could clear up a lot of their playing time issues.
That said, it could also be a problem team chemistry and defense-wise. Also, we know BDW II's aversion to trading superstar name players like Arenado, although he apparently was good with it in the offseason. And if course there's that NTC. I guess it's a big long shot.
I don't expect him to be dealt unless 1) the Cards fall way behind the scrubbies and 2) a contender loses a 3Bman/1Bman and makes the Cards a solid offer.
No way I want to see him dealt for salary relief just to see than money going into BDWJr's pocket.
rockondlouie wrote: ↑21 May 2025 08:46 am
If they're where they are now or better, then add to the bullpen.
If they go into a tailspin and fall way behind the scrubbies, then see what you can get for Helsley, Fedde, Matz and NADO (Mikolas too if he'd waive the NTC).
But don't just give NADO away for salary relief, he has to being back a quality prospect.
Then he will be a cardinal for the rest of his career because no one is going to trade a quality prospect for him
rockondlouie wrote: ↑21 May 2025 08:46 am
If they're where they are now or better, then add to the bullpen.
If they go into a tailspin and fall way behind the scrubbies, then see what you can get for Helsley, Fedde, Matz and NADO (Mikolas too if he'd waive the NTC).
But don't just give NADO away for salary relief, he has to being back a quality prospect.
Then he will be a cardinal for the rest of his career because no one is going to trade a quality prospect for him
Good, his reaming contract is only $19M (-$5M from Rockies + $3M deferred) and $15M.
I'm not giving him away just so BDWJr can buy another Hollywood mansion.
They don't have much of value that it makes sense to sell, and they don't have much of value it makes sense to buy with.
So there's actually a very strong argument for doing nothing, ironic because it's Mo/DeWitt's favorite path to take, they've just never had such a good excuse for it.
