Ozziesfan41 wrote: ↑18 May 2025 11:47 am
Send him down hes not playing and he shouldn’t play at this point and he has become a zero tool player at this point because he doesn’t even hit for power anymore so his contributions off the bench will be nothing. It’s a long shot he figures it out in the minors but I think it’s the only shot for him to turn it around
Not entirely accurate as he has a very strong arm and last I checked was playing above average defense in 2025.
Of course, it's all about his bat...if Oli won't play him either trade him or send him down in order to enhance his trade value.
Correct on every point.
So far, Gorman rates as a plus 2b/3b defender this year.
In fact, he is among the highest rated on the entire team.
And yes - it is about his bat.
And The Marmot is the wrong manager to understand that.
Melville wrote: ↑18 May 2025 12:09 pm
The challenge is 3 fold.
One, the pitchers and staff rightly do not trust Herrera to catch.
Two, the team is still stuck with N/A since he refused to report to Houston.
Three, The Marmot is an extremely poor long-term strategist who is prone to incorrect snap judgements.
That is what has put Gorman in a bit of a crunch.
The CORRECT BASEBALL DECISION, of course, is to play him.
Fact is, Gorman, N/A, Walker, Burleson have all be nearly identical in production.
Plenty of PA's to go around.
All that is required is the intelligence and willingness to do so.
Four. Just like your analysis with everything Cardinals, he sucks. Everyone can see that on both fronts.
OldRed wrote: ↑18 May 2025 10:27 am
Is it time to send him down where he can get some at bats?
Yes! I'd rather him be striking out down there than up here. Also I want him nowhere near our middle infield. I don't get the love for this guy around here. He is not a good ball player and never will be.
Personally I don’t like young players sitting on the bench. Not just Gorman but imo young players should be playing 5 days a week either at the majors or minors. I think Gorman should be sent down. Hopefully he increases his trade value and him or Arenado is traded in July. Don’t let this hot streak cause us to forget what we should be doing and that is rebuilding.
I think he likely gets traded. Not going to get a lot alone but maybe more as part of a package. He starts arbitration next year so his years of control is dwindling. Houston is desperate for left handed hitters and failed prospect Brendan Rogers is playing second base there hitting around .200 with no power. Maybe a straight up trade for Whitley? Another similar failed first round pick once considered a top prospect in baseball. His carer has been injury plagued and now on dl with a knee issue. The talent is there and 27 with years of control left. If he puts it together he could be a top of rotation stater or closer.
I thought this year was all about seeing what you had in Gorman and Walker going forward so that you could make those evaluations at the end of the year? Gorman once again is getting jerked around and seeing only a handful of at bats every week even if that. How the heck is a young player suppose to settle in and reach his potential (or not) by getting 3-4 at bats a week? Stick Gorman’s (donkey) at 3B at least 3-4 games a week and leave him there. NA can’t hit in the clutch and his best days are behind him and you right now have no clue what NG would do with consistent at bats every week. Before you think about sending him down you have to also remember minor league pitchers don’t have the best control so guys trying to hit their way back up to the majors are gonna start swinging at anything and everything just to try and get those numbers up. I’m not sure the Csrds are doing Walker any favors by always batting him in the 7-8 hole every game either. Put him somewhere in the lineup where they can’t pitch around him and have to give him pitches to hit. Remember all winter long the fans were reminded that this was a “look and see” what we have in these young players an underlying theme was winning didn’t matter.
gashouse59 wrote: ↑18 May 2025 17:35 pm
I thought this year was all about seeing what you had in Gorman and Walker going forward so that you could make those evaluations at the end of the year? Gorman once again is getting jerked around and seeing only a handful of at bats every week even if that. How the heck is a young player suppose to settle in and reach his potential (or not) by getting 3-4 at bats a week? Stick Gorman’s (donkey) at 3B at least 3-4 games a week and leave him there. NA can’t hit in the clutch and his best days are behind him and you right now have no clue what NG would do with consistent at bats every week. Before you think about sending him down you have to also remember minor league pitchers don’t have the best control so guys trying to hit their way back up to the majors are gonna start swinging at anything and everything just to try and get those numbers up. I’m not sure the Csrds are doing Walker any favors by always batting him in the 7-8 hole every game either. Put him somewhere in the lineup where they can’t pitch around him and have to give him pitches to hit. Remember all winter long the fans were reminded that this was a “look and see” what we have in these young players an underlying theme was winning didn’t matter.
He got hurt early and never really got into the flow. He has become an afterthought and I would send him to Memphis and see if he can work his way through his plate discipline problem. He is a lot worse than when he first came up. That won't work in the big leagues.
Ozziesfan41 wrote: ↑18 May 2025 11:47 am
Send him down hes not playing and he shouldn’t play at this point and he has become a zero tool player at this point because he doesn’t even hit for power anymore so his contributions off the bench will be nothing. It’s a long shot he figures it out in the minors but I think it’s the only shot for him to turn it around
Not entirely accurate as he has a very strong arm and last I checked was playing above average defense in 2025.
Of course, it's all about his bat...if Oli won't play him either trade him or send him down in order to enhance his trade value.
Correct on every point.
So far, Gorman rates as a plus 2b/3b defender this year.
In fact, he is among the highest rated on the entire team.
And yes - it is about his bat.
And The Marmot is the wrong manager to understand that.
Worst case scenario for Cards is instead of NA getting traded to the Yankees or Red Sox one of these teams takes a flyer on Gorman figuring the Cards will give him up for some random minor league reliever and they correct his swing in a matter of a couple of weeks and thus becomes the hitter the Cardinals thought he was. He goes to NY and with that short porch in LF he’s banging 35-40 home runs a year for the next 10 years. Same thing in Boston
