Herrara

[rockondlouie]

Genuine question because I don’t know off hand, but how many players spent years in the minors as 18-20hr .280 hitters with an OPS around .800 and then suddenly became 30+ HR 1000 OPS players?

I’m excited about Herrera, but I feel like people are anointing him way too soon.

J. Bagwell

Never showed that kind of power in the minors or his first couple years in MLB, then exploded at age 26.

Of course he had some help from those Flintstone "vitamins" he was taking.

And for the record, I don't know if Hererra will ever top 30+ HR's but sure hope he does.

Big Papi i think was another one --- didn't the twins all but release him at one point? He was likely on the vitamins also -

Absolutely also a big fan of those Flintstone vitamins as you said.

[rockondlouie]

Such a difference when you watch I. Hererra swing the bat (DAMAGE) and when you watch J. Walker swing the bat.

In the opinion of the turf between home plate and the pitcher's mound, Walker does more damage.

Ideally, Herrera returns to catching at least part time when his knee is better.

Can't use him at catcher csm

Cards play in the NLC that houses the Scrubs. Brewers, Pirates and Reds who are #1, #2, #3 and #4 teams in SB's!

They'd run Hererra out of the stadium.

He's the fulltime DH, that's his spot in 2025.

[JDW]

That average OPS would go up substantially for playoff teams and World Series contenders.

I do ageee .800 is an acceptable OPS for a DH. But I’d rather have it from my catcher while my league average DH has .749 OPS thab get it from my DH while my catcher has a .640 OPS. Even if the .640 OPS does control the game better.

Not really. I'm bored at work, so I did some quick averages from last year's playoff teams. LF averaged a .749 OPS, RF a .767 OPS, and DH a .798 OPS.

And only five players out of all three positions on all playoff teams had an OPS above the .800s. The highest OPS in LF was Teoscar Hernandez with .840, the other two were .839 and .827. The highest OPS in RF was Kyle Tucker at .993, followed pretty closely by Soto at .989, highest after them was .833. DH, naturally had some big dogs with Ohtani at 1.036, Alvarez at .959, and Ortiz at .925, and they had an .851 and .804 in there as well.

Now those were just the Baseball Reference team pages, so I could be forgetting if the teams made a trade and got a guy in there for the playoffs with better numbers.

I think people have a misconception of how DH is used in the modern day. The days of half a dozen future HOFers at DH in any given moment are gone... coincidentally that era seemed to end around the same time as PED testing became a thing.

Like you said, just a coincidence.

[renostl]

That average OPS would go up substantially for playoff teams and World Series contenders.

I do ageee .800 is an acceptable OPS for a DH. But I’d rather have it from my catcher while my league average DH has .749 OPS thab get it from my DH while my catcher has a .640 OPS. Even if the .640 OPS does control the game better.

Not really. I'm bored at work, so I did some quick averages from last year's playoff teams. LF averaged a .749 OPS, RF a .767 OPS, and DH a .798 OPS.

And only five players out of all three positions on all playoff teams had an OPS above the .800s. The highest OPS in LF was Teoscar Hernandez with .840, the other two were .839 and .827. The highest OPS in RF was Kyle Tucker at .993, followed pretty closely by Soto at .989, highest after them was .833. DH, naturally had some big dogs with Ohtani at 1.036, Alvarez at .959, and Ortiz at .925, and they had an .851 and .804 in there as well.

Now those were just the Baseball Reference team pages, so I could be forgetting if the teams made a trade and got a guy in there for the playoffs with better numbers.

I think people have a misconception of how DH is used in the modern day. The days of half a dozen future HOFers at DH in any given moment are gone... coincidentally that era seemed to end around the same time as PED testing became a thing.

Like you said, just a coincidence.

Stanton
Schwarber
Alvarez
Rooker
Ozuna

for a couple

[slimjay63801]

Sounds like the Cards have a surplus of talent at catcher. I wonder when somebody gets traded. Only need 1 starter and a quality backup. I feel that in order to keep Herrera, he must be able to learn a corner outfield position and do it this offseason...

[Ozziesfan41]

Sounds like the Cards have a surplus of talent at catcher. I wonder when somebody gets traded. Only need 1 starter and a quality backup. I feel that in order to keep Herrera, he must be able to learn a corner outfield position and do it this offseason...

I disagree I think you keep Herrera even if he doesn't work in the outfield. He is the one guy that they have developed that can hit in the middle of the order. With it looking likely Walker and Gorman arent going to be middle of the order bats and Arenado no longer being a middle of the order bat I dont think theres anyway you trade him. Burly has been pretty much only a DH who occasionally plays first. Herrera even if he doesnt play anywhere else his bat plays at DH and in the middle of the order

[lined2left]

Is he part of the reset?

[Ozziesfan41]

That average OPS would go up substantially for playoff teams and World Series contenders.

I do ageee .800 is an acceptable OPS for a DH. But I’d rather have it from my catcher while my league average DH has .749 OPS thab get it from my DH while my catcher has a .640 OPS. Even if the .640 OPS does control the game better.

Not really. I'm bored at work, so I did some quick averages from last year's playoff teams. LF averaged a .749 OPS, RF a .767 OPS, and DH a .798 OPS.

And only five players out of all three positions on all playoff teams had an OPS above the .800s. The highest OPS in LF was Teoscar Hernandez with .840, the other two were .839 and .827. The highest OPS in RF was Kyle Tucker at .993, followed pretty closely by Soto at .989, highest after them was .833. DH, naturally had some big dogs with Ohtani at 1.036, Alvarez at .959, and Ortiz at .925, and they had an .851 and .804 in there as well.

Now those were just the Baseball Reference team pages, so I could be forgetting if the teams made a trade and got a guy in there for the playoffs with better numbers.

I think people have a misconception of how DH is used in the modern day. The days of half a dozen future HOFers at DH in any given moment are gone... coincidentally that era seemed to end around the same time as PED testing became a thing.

Like you said, just a coincidence.

Stanton
Schwarber
Alvarez
Rooker
Ozuna

for a couple

And burleson for the cardinals. Burly is pretty much just a DH with the occasional start at first he has only started 1 game in the outfield

[slimjay63801]

Sounds like the Cards have a surplus of talent at catcher. I wonder when somebody gets traded. Only need 1 starter and a quality backup. I feel that in order to keep Herrera, he must be able to learn a corner outfield position and do it this offseason...

I disagree I think you keep Herrera even if he doesn't work in the outfield. He is the one guy that they have developed that can hit in the middle of the order. With it looking likely Walker and Gorman arent going to be middle of the order bats and Arenado no longer being a middle of the order bat I dont think theres anyway you trade him. Burly has been pretty much only a DH who occasionally plays first. Herrera even if he doesnt play anywhere else his bat plays at DH and in the middle of the order

I'm not for trading Herrera either. In the very near future they will have too many catchers to roster if someone doesn't get moved unless they plan on keeping Crooks and Bernal buried in the minors. That was the point I was trying to make. Either Herrera or some catching prospects will have to be moved. Not this current year, but soon after.

[renostl]

That average OPS would go up substantially for playoff teams and World Series contenders.

I do ageee .800 is an acceptable OPS for a DH. But I’d rather have it from my catcher while my league average DH has .749 OPS thab get it from my DH while my catcher has a .640 OPS. Even if the .640 OPS does control the game better.

Not really. I'm bored at work, so I did some quick averages from last year's playoff teams. LF averaged a .749 OPS, RF a .767 OPS, and DH a .798 OPS.

And only five players out of all three positions on all playoff teams had an OPS above the .800s. The highest OPS in LF was Teoscar Hernandez with .840, the other two were .839 and .827. The highest OPS in RF was Kyle Tucker at .993, followed pretty closely by Soto at .989, highest after them was .833. DH, naturally had some big dogs with Ohtani at 1.036, Alvarez at .959, and Ortiz at .925, and they had an .851 and .804 in there as well.

Now those were just the Baseball Reference team pages, so I could be forgetting if the teams made a trade and got a guy in there for the playoffs with better numbers.

I think people have a misconception of how DH is used in the modern day. The days of half a dozen future HOFers at DH in any given moment are gone... coincidentally that era seemed to end around the same time as PED testing became a thing.

Like you said, just a coincidence.

Stanton
Schwarber
Alvarez
Rooker
Ozuna

for a couple

And burleson for the cardinals. Burly is pretty much just a DH with the occasional start at first he has only started 1 game in the outfield

True enough. They were on topic of high OPS guys that AB hasn't achieved to this point.