Herrara

[Wattage]

Bagwell and Ortiz had roids.

I just think of Herrera is an .800 OPS guy he should stay behind the plate. That’s not enough of a hitter to take up a DH or corner spot long term

Only 30 qualifying hitters had an ops above .800 last year. Offense isnt what it was years ago.

The league ops for dh was .742
For rf .724
For lf .715
League ops .711

.800 absolutely plays well enough.

Surenits its even more awesome if you get that out of your catcher instead of having to play a pages, but there is a tradeoff with the defense.

[cardstatman]

Such a difference when you watch I. Hererra swing the bat (DAMAGE) and when you watch J. Walker swing the bat.

In the opinion of the turf between home plate and the pitcher's mound, Walker does more damage.

Ideally, Herrera returns to catching at least part time when his knee is better.

[DwaininAztec]

I look at the young Herara who I believe in addition to an outfielder's glove and a 1B glove, he might be interested in a 3B glove. Gorman isn't looking like a Aronado replacement, I hate that, so maybe Herara can fill those shoes.

[Hachi]

Honestly followed him for a while always been a fan. Question is what does he become and what do the cardinals do with him as far a position wise?

What I mean by become is what is the ceiling because he is an outstanding hitter

Followed him for awhile but can't spell his name?

Honestly just a simple spelling error but I hope you pointing that out makes you feel better!

[JohnnyMO]

Bagwell and Ortiz had roids.

I just think of Herrera is an .800 OPS guy he should stay behind the plate. That’s not enough of a hitter to take up a DH or corner spot long term

Only 30 qualifying hitters had an ops above .800 last year. Offense isnt what it was years ago.

The league ops for dh was .742
For rf .724
For lf .715
League ops .711

.800 absolutely plays well enough.

Surenits its even more awesome if you get that out of your catcher instead of having to play a pages, but there is a tradeoff with the defense.

That average OPS would go up substantially for playoff teams and World Series contenders.

I do ageee .800 is an acceptable OPS for a DH. But I’d rather have it from my catcher while my league average DH has .749 OPS thab get it from my DH while my catcher has a .640 OPS. Even if the .640 OPS does control the game better.

[Monsieur De Treville]

Honestly followed him for a while always been a fan. Question is what does he become and what do the cardinals do with him as far a position wise?

What I mean by become is what is the ceiling because he is an outstanding hitter

Followed him for awhile but can't spell his name?

Honestly just a simple spelling error but I hope you pointing that out makes you feel better!

Your posts seem somewhat Shady to me!

[riff raff]

Honestly followed him for a while always been a fan. Question is what does he become and what do the cardinals do with him as far a position wise?

What I mean by become is what is the ceiling because he is an outstanding hitter

Followed him for awhile but can't spell his name?

Honestly just a simple spelling error but I hope you pointing that out makes you feel better!

Snotty will never feel better

[scoutyjones2]

Honestly followed him for a while always been a fan. Question is what does he become and what do the cardinals do with him as far a position wise?

What I mean by become is what is the ceiling because he is an outstanding hitter

Followed him for awhile but can't spell his name?

Honestly just a simple spelling error but I hope you pointing that out makes you feel better!

Sure Chachi

[Wattage]

Bagwell and Ortiz had roids.

I just think of Herrera is an .800 OPS guy he should stay behind the plate. That’s not enough of a hitter to take up a DH or corner spot long term

Only 30 qualifying hitters had an ops above .800 last year. Offense isnt what it was years ago.

The league ops for dh was .742
For rf .724
For lf .715
League ops .711

.800 absolutely plays well enough.

Surenits its even more awesome if you get that out of your catcher instead of having to play a pages, but there is a tradeoff with the defense.

That average OPS would go up substantially for playoff teams and World Series contenders.

I do ageee .800 is an acceptable OPS for a DH. But I’d rather have it from my catcher while my league average DH has .749 OPS thab get it from my DH while my catcher has a .640 OPS. Even if the .640 OPS does control the game better.

Well as of right now, gorman and burleson arent really hitting much bettwr than pages so herrera displacing them by playing dh doesnt hurt offense while helping defense.

As far as long term, we have another catching prospect crooks who is already up to the memphis level and could hopefully be ready soon and hit much better than pages.

[Monsieur De Treville]

Bagwell and Ortiz had roids.

I just think of Herrera is an .800 OPS guy he should stay behind the plate. That’s not enough of a hitter to take up a DH or corner spot long term

Only 30 qualifying hitters had an ops above .800 last year. Offense isnt what it was years ago.

The league ops for dh was .742
For rf .724
For lf .715
League ops .711

.800 absolutely plays well enough.

Surenits its even more awesome if you get that out of your catcher instead of having to play a pages, but there is a tradeoff with the defense.

That average OPS would go up substantially for playoff teams and World Series contenders.

I do ageee .800 is an acceptable OPS for a DH. But I’d rather have it from my catcher while my league average DH has .749 OPS thab get it from my DH while my catcher has a .640 OPS. Even if the .640 OPS does control the game better.

Well as of right now, gorman and burleson arent really hitting much bettwr than pages so herrera displacing them by playing dh doesnt hurt offense while helping defense.

As far as long term, we have another catching prospect crooks who is already up to the memphis level and could hopefully be ready soon and hit much better than pages.

And don't forget Bernal who homered for Springfield tonight!

[JDW]

Bagwell and Ortiz had roids.

I just think of Herrera is an .800 OPS guy he should stay behind the plate. That’s not enough of a hitter to take up a DH or corner spot long term

Only 30 qualifying hitters had an ops above .800 last year. Offense isnt what it was years ago.

The league ops for dh was .742
For rf .724
For lf .715
League ops .711

.800 absolutely plays well enough.

Surenits its even more awesome if you get that out of your catcher instead of having to play a pages, but there is a tradeoff with the defense.

That average OPS would go up substantially for playoff teams and World Series contenders.

I do ageee .800 is an acceptable OPS for a DH. But I’d rather have it from my catcher while my league average DH has .749 OPS thab get it from my DH while my catcher has a .640 OPS. Even if the .640 OPS does control the game better.

You're vastly underrating how much the Catcher position can reduce the offensive potential of a player imo.
Yadi was a beast, and his body and mind tolerated the abuses and challenges of the C position much better than most can. Yadi's career .726 OPS would have likely been significantly higher if he had played another position, but he was such a great C that's where he had the most value to a team.
Herrera likely doesn't have the body that will tolerate the C position anywhere near what Yadi's did, plus he isn't a GG C with a great arm, and now with the new rules to help the SB, teams are adjusting their game to include it more. Then there's Crooks and Bernal. Herrera's best value to a team is very likely going to be somewhere else than the C position, and the odds are that his bat and health will be better for it.

[AZ_Cardsfan]

Bagwell and Ortiz had roids.

I just think of Herrera is an .800 OPS guy he should stay behind the plate. That’s not enough of a hitter to take up a DH or corner spot long term

Only 30 qualifying hitters had an ops above .800 last year. Offense isnt what it was years ago.

The league ops for dh was .742
For rf .724
For lf .715
League ops .711

.800 absolutely plays well enough.

Surenits its even more awesome if you get that out of your catcher instead of having to play a pages, but there is a tradeoff with the defense.

That average OPS would go up substantially for playoff teams and World Series contenders.

I do ageee .800 is an acceptable OPS for a DH. But I’d rather have it from my catcher while my league average DH has .749 OPS thab get it from my DH while my catcher has a .640 OPS. Even if the .640 OPS does control the game better.

You're vastly underrating how much the Catcher position can reduce the offensive potential of a player imo.
Yadi was a beast, and his body and mind tolerated the abuses and challenges of the C position much better than most can. Yadi's career .726 OPS would have likely been significantly higher if he had played another position, but he was such a great C that's where he had the most value to a team.
Herrera likely doesn't have the body that will tolerate the C position anywhere near what Yadi's did, plus he isn't a GG C with a great arm, and now with the new rules to help the SB, teams are adjusting their game to include it more. Then there's Crooks and Bernal. Herrera's best value to a team is very likely going to be somewhere else than the C position, and the odds are that his bat and health will be better for it.

Yup. Catching beats them up. But yes Yadi was so valuable as a catcher it didn't matter if he could have hit 800 OPS.

[Ronnie Dobbs]

That average OPS would go up substantially for playoff teams and World Series contenders.

I do ageee .800 is an acceptable OPS for a DH. But I’d rather have it from my catcher while my league average DH has .749 OPS thab get it from my DH while my catcher has a .640 OPS. Even if the .640 OPS does control the game better.

Not really. I'm bored at work, so I did some quick averages from last year's playoff teams. LF averaged a .749 OPS, RF a .767 OPS, and DH a .798 OPS.

And only five players out of all three positions on all playoff teams had an OPS above the .800s. The highest OPS in LF was Teoscar Hernandez with .840, the other two were .839 and .827. The highest OPS in RF was Kyle Tucker at .993, followed pretty closely by Soto at .989, highest after them was .833. DH, naturally had some big dogs with Ohtani at 1.036, Alvarez at .959, and Ortiz at .925, and they had an .851 and .804 in there as well.

Now those were just the Baseball Reference team pages, so I could be forgetting if the teams made a trade and got a guy in there for the playoffs with better numbers.

[3dender]

That average OPS would go up substantially for playoff teams and World Series contenders.

I do ageee .800 is an acceptable OPS for a DH. But I’d rather have it from my catcher while my league average DH has .749 OPS thab get it from my DH while my catcher has a .640 OPS. Even if the .640 OPS does control the game better.

Not really. I'm bored at work, so I did some quick averages from last year's playoff teams. LF averaged a .749 OPS, RF a .767 OPS, and DH a .798 OPS.

And only five players out of all three positions on all playoff teams had an OPS above the .800s. The highest OPS in LF was Teoscar Hernandez with .840, the other two were .839 and .827. The highest OPS in RF was Kyle Tucker at .993, followed pretty closely by Soto at .989, highest after them was .833. DH, naturally had some big dogs with Ohtani at 1.036, Alvarez at .959, and Ortiz at .925, and they had an .851 and .804 in there as well.

Now those were just the Baseball Reference team pages, so I could be forgetting if the teams made a trade and got a guy in there for the playoffs with better numbers.

I think people have a misconception of how DH is used in the modern day. The days of half a dozen future HOFers at DH in any given moment are gone... coincidentally that era seemed to end around the same time as PED testing became a thing.

[Goldfan]

Can’t throw….bad knee…no brainer…the bat is the prize

[rockondlouie]

DH

Give him an OF'ers glove this winter and send J. Jay to work w/him.

Throw him into some spring games next March and see how he handle the OF.

If he flops, then he's your fulltime DH.

The kid's a hitter and made for the DH role if he can't handle the OF (at least as an option, not necessarily FT unless he really takes to it ala D. Murphy when he moved from behind the plate to become a multi GG winning OF'er)!

Agree 100% let him play some first base also. The bat definitely will play full time at DH if all else fails. Hes the one guy on the team where I will stop what I’m doing to watch him bat. I also liked after the game other day when I think he had a double and 2 RBI and he commented that he didn’t like that he struck out in the one at bat I like hearing that from a player

Such a difference when you watch I. Hererra swing the bat (DAMAGE) and when you watch J. Walker swing the bat.

(Cool breezey)