The biggest mistake the Cardinals have made

[JuanAgosto]

Was trying to create a Dan Uggla out of Nolan Gorman. Insane idea as not only could he not play very good at second base he couldn't hit either. Such a waste of time when they could have been developing a good, young, talented second baseman instead of trying to develop someone who did not have talent at that position.

I'd put the Carlton trade just a tad higher on the list. Then firing Joe Torre. Then Alcantara and Gallen. A few dozen more.

While I did think Torre did a good job with the roster he had, he was replaced by TLR.

The Carlton situation probably cost them chances at the playoffs in 1973, 1974, and 1981.

Torre was a much better manager that LaRussa.

Disagree.

12 years prior to Torre the Yankees went to 0 world series. 18 years subsequent to Torre the Yankees went to 2 world series. 30 years. 2 world series. In 12 years Torre took the Yankees to 6 world series winning 4.

When they met in the playoffs in 2009 Torre ate LaRussa's lunch. 3-0 Dodgers.

I think Torre was a good manager. But let's be honest. He had prime Jeter, Williams, Tino, O'Neill, Posada, Rivera, Pettit, and Clemons. Along with guys like Justice, Sierra, Knoblauch, Boggs, Brossius, Wells, Cone, Soriano, Jeff Nelson, and Strawberry playing secondary roles. The team was stacked. Steinbrenner was spending like crazy.

As for 2009, that series turned with a dropped fly ball that would've won Game 2. Then the series would've headed to StL tied. Series changing error.

I posted the numbers. Yankees had great players before and after Torre also but never replicated his success. Torre played a major role in the Yankees acquiring those players. He told the front office what he wanted.

Outside of Mattingly and one good year from Tartabull, they did not have great talent. Showalter got them into the playoffs in '95 as young guys like Jeter were starting to figure it out. LaRussa (and Showalter) would've been just as successful with the late 90s roster NY had. Hell, oli might have sniffed a division title.

[RamFan08NY]

Keith Hernandez. They got absolutely nothing in that trade.

I'd also agree on not signing Bryce Harper. The team needed his fire the past several years.

Keith was there for 3 or so years. He couldn't stay in St. Louis.

Where for 3 years??

[cardiological]

Was trying to create a Dan Uggla out of Nolan Gorman. Insane idea as not only could he not play very good at second base he couldn't hit either. Such a waste of time when they could have been developing a good, young, talented second baseman instead of trying to develop someone who did not have talent at that position.

I'd put the Carlton trade just a tad higher on the list. Then firing Joe Torre. Then Alcantara and Gallen. A few dozen more.

Dumping Carlton and reuss over money and a mustache. What could have been

Don’t forget Mike Torrez, traded the year before Carlton and Reuss. Won 164 games after he left St. Louis. Bob Reynolds who was received in return won a grand total of zero for the Cardinals, only 14 more wins in his career and was out of baseball at age 28. Keep Carlton, Reuss and Torrez and the 70s would have been a completely different story.

[Quincy Varnish]

Passed on the pizza dance guy

[ScotchMIrish]

Was trying to create a Dan Uggla out of Nolan Gorman. Insane idea as not only could he not play very good at second base he couldn't hit either. Such a waste of time when they could have been developing a good, young, talented second baseman instead of trying to develop someone who did not have talent at that position.

I'd put the Carlton trade just a tad higher on the list. Then firing Joe Torre. Then Alcantara and Gallen. A few dozen more.

While I did think Torre did a good job with the roster he had, he was replaced by TLR.

The Carlton situation probably cost them chances at the playoffs in 1973, 1974, and 1981.

Torre was a much better manager that LaRussa.

Disagree.

12 years prior to Torre the Yankees went to 0 world series. 18 years subsequent to Torre the Yankees went to 2 world series. 30 years. 2 world series. In 12 years Torre took the Yankees to 6 world series winning 4.

When they met in the playoffs in 2009 Torre ate LaRussa's lunch. 3-0 Dodgers.

I think Torre was a good manager. But let's be honest. He had prime Jeter, Williams, Tino, O'Neill, Posada, Rivera, Pettit, and Clemons. Along with guys like Justice, Sierra, Knoblauch, Boggs, Brossius, Wells, Cone, Soriano, Jeff Nelson, and Strawberry playing secondary roles. The team was stacked. Steinbrenner was spending like crazy.

As for 2009, that series turned with a dropped fly ball that would've won Game 2. Then the series would've headed to StL tied. Series changing error.

I posted the numbers. Yankees had great players before and after Torre also but never replicated his success. Torre played a major role in the Yankees acquiring those players. He told the front office what he wanted.

Outside of Mattingly and one good year from Tartabull, they did not have great talent. Showalter got them into the playoffs in '95 as young guys like Jeter were starting to figure it out. LaRussa (and Showalter) would've been just as successful with the late 90s roster NY had. Hell, oli might have sniffed a division title.

LaRussa would have traded Jeter for some veteran he was familiar with like he did with Dansby Swanson for Shelby Miller.

[12xu]

Trading Carlton was the biggest mistake in the history of the franchise. They got Rick Wise in the deal, who was very good for two years, traded him for Reggie Smith, who was excellent for two years - and then gave him to LA for stinking Joe Ferguson.

Recently, the biggest mistake was allowing John Mozeliak to continue making poor decisions year after year.

[JuanAgosto]

Was trying to create a Dan Uggla out of Nolan Gorman. Insane idea as not only could he not play very good at second base he couldn't hit either. Such a waste of time when they could have been developing a good, young, talented second baseman instead of trying to develop someone who did not have talent at that position.

I'd put the Carlton trade just a tad higher on the list. Then firing Joe Torre. Then Alcantara and Gallen. A few dozen more.

While I did think Torre did a good job with the roster he had, he was replaced by TLR.

The Carlton situation probably cost them chances at the playoffs in 1973, 1974, and 1981.

Torre was a much better manager that LaRussa.

Disagree.

12 years prior to Torre the Yankees went to 0 world series. 18 years subsequent to Torre the Yankees went to 2 world series. 30 years. 2 world series. In 12 years Torre took the Yankees to 6 world series winning 4.

When they met in the playoffs in 2009 Torre ate LaRussa's lunch. 3-0 Dodgers.

I think Torre was a good manager. But let's be honest. He had prime Jeter, Williams, Tino, O'Neill, Posada, Rivera, Pettit, and Clemons. Along with guys like Justice, Sierra, Knoblauch, Boggs, Brossius, Wells, Cone, Soriano, Jeff Nelson, and Strawberry playing secondary roles. The team was stacked. Steinbrenner was spending like crazy.

As for 2009, that series turned with a dropped fly ball that would've won Game 2. Then the series would've headed to StL tied. Series changing error.

I posted the numbers. Yankees had great players before and after Torre also but never replicated his success. Torre played a major role in the Yankees acquiring those players. He told the front office what he wanted.

Outside of Mattingly and one good year from Tartabull, they did not have great talent. Showalter got them into the playoffs in '95 as young guys like Jeter were starting to figure it out. LaRussa (and Showalter) would've been just as successful with the late 90s roster NY had. Hell, oli might have sniffed a division title.

LaRussa would have traded Jeter for some veteran he was familiar with like he did with Dansby Swanson for Shelby Miller.

Hahaha.....OK. Like he traded Pujols, Molina, and Wainwright?

[sdaltons]

Silly me. i thought you were going to say not signing Max Scherzer when he wanted to come here, or not pursuing Bryce Harper.

It can be both! They didn't add to the roster from outside because they wanted to develop from within but they also apparently didn't bother building out a system to develop from within.

[ScotchMIrish]

Was trying to create a Dan Uggla out of Nolan Gorman. Insane idea as not only could he not play very good at second base he couldn't hit either. Such a waste of time when they could have been developing a good, young, talented second baseman instead of trying to develop someone who did not have talent at that position.

I'd put the Carlton trade just a tad higher on the list. Then firing Joe Torre. Then Alcantara and Gallen. A few dozen more.

While I did think Torre did a good job with the roster he had, he was replaced by TLR.

The Carlton situation probably cost them chances at the playoffs in 1973, 1974, and 1981.

Torre was a much better manager that LaRussa.

Disagree.

12 years prior to Torre the Yankees went to 0 world series. 18 years subsequent to Torre the Yankees went to 2 world series. 30 years. 2 world series. In 12 years Torre took the Yankees to 6 world series winning 4.

When they met in the playoffs in 2009 Torre ate LaRussa's lunch. 3-0 Dodgers.

I think Torre was a good manager. But let's be honest. He had prime Jeter, Williams, Tino, O'Neill, Posada, Rivera, Pettit, and Clemons. Along with guys like Justice, Sierra, Knoblauch, Boggs, Brossius, Wells, Cone, Soriano, Jeff Nelson, and Strawberry playing secondary roles. The team was stacked. Steinbrenner was spending like crazy.

As for 2009, that series turned with a dropped fly ball that would've won Game 2. Then the series would've headed to StL tied. Series changing error.

I posted the numbers. Yankees had great players before and after Torre also but never replicated his success. Torre played a major role in the Yankees acquiring those players. He told the front office what he wanted.

Outside of Mattingly and one good year from Tartabull, they did not have great talent. Showalter got them into the playoffs in '95 as young guys like Jeter were starting to figure it out. LaRussa (and Showalter) would've been just as successful with the late 90s roster NY had. Hell, oli might have sniffed a division title.

LaRussa would have traded Jeter for some veteran he was familiar with like he did with Dansby Swanson for Shelby Miller.

Hahaha.....OK. Like he traded Pujols, Molina, and Wainwright?

Pujols was going to quit and would have if Bonilla hadn't gotten injured in spring training which opened up a spot.

[ScotchMIrish]

Was trying to create a Dan Uggla out of Nolan Gorman. Insane idea as not only could he not play very good at second base he couldn't hit either. Such a waste of time when they could have been developing a good, young, talented second baseman instead of trying to develop someone who did not have talent at that position.

I'd put the Carlton trade just a tad higher on the list. Then firing Joe Torre. Then Alcantara and Gallen. A few dozen more.

While I did think Torre did a good job with the roster he had, he was replaced by TLR.

The Carlton situation probably cost them chances at the playoffs in 1973, 1974, and 1981.

Torre was a much better manager that LaRussa.

Disagree.

12 years prior to Torre the Yankees went to 0 world series. 18 years subsequent to Torre the Yankees went to 2 world series. 30 years. 2 world series. In 12 years Torre took the Yankees to 6 world series winning 4.

When they met in the playoffs in 2009 Torre ate LaRussa's lunch. 3-0 Dodgers.

I think Torre was a good manager. But let's be honest. He had prime Jeter, Williams, Tino, O'Neill, Posada, Rivera, Pettit, and Clemons. Along with guys like Justice, Sierra, Knoblauch, Boggs, Brossius, Wells, Cone, Soriano, Jeff Nelson, and Strawberry playing secondary roles. The team was stacked. Steinbrenner was spending like crazy.

As for 2009, that series turned with a dropped fly ball that would've won Game 2. Then the series would've headed to StL tied. Series changing error.

I posted the numbers. Yankees had great players before and after Torre also but never replicated his success. Torre played a major role in the Yankees acquiring those players. He told the front office what he wanted.

Outside of Mattingly and one good year from Tartabull, they did not have great talent. Showalter got them into the playoffs in '95 as young guys like Jeter were starting to figure it out. LaRussa (and Showalter) would've been just as successful with the late 90s roster NY had. Hell, oli might have sniffed a division title.

LaRussa would have traded Jeter for some veteran he was familiar with like he did with Dansby Swanson for Shelby Miller.

Hahaha.....OK. Like he traded Pujols, Molina, and Wainwright?

Pujols was going to quit. Bonilla injury.

[JuanAgosto]

Was trying to create a Dan Uggla out of Nolan Gorman. Insane idea as not only could he not play very good at second base he couldn't hit either. Such a waste of time when they could have been developing a good, young, talented second baseman instead of trying to develop someone who did not have talent at that position.

I'd put the Carlton trade just a tad higher on the list. Then firing Joe Torre. Then Alcantara and Gallen. A few dozen more.

While I did think Torre did a good job with the roster he had, he was replaced by TLR.

The Carlton situation probably cost them chances at the playoffs in 1973, 1974, and 1981.

Torre was a much better manager that LaRussa.

Disagree.

12 years prior to Torre the Yankees went to 0 world series. 18 years subsequent to Torre the Yankees went to 2 world series. 30 years. 2 world series. In 12 years Torre took the Yankees to 6 world series winning 4.

When they met in the playoffs in 2009 Torre ate LaRussa's lunch. 3-0 Dodgers.

I think Torre was a good manager. But let's be honest. He had prime Jeter, Williams, Tino, O'Neill, Posada, Rivera, Pettit, and Clemons. Along with guys like Justice, Sierra, Knoblauch, Boggs, Brossius, Wells, Cone, Soriano, Jeff Nelson, and Strawberry playing secondary roles. The team was stacked. Steinbrenner was spending like crazy.

As for 2009, that series turned with a dropped fly ball that would've won Game 2. Then the series would've headed to StL tied. Series changing error.

I posted the numbers. Yankees had great players before and after Torre also but never replicated his success. Torre played a major role in the Yankees acquiring those players. He told the front office what he wanted.

Outside of Mattingly and one good year from Tartabull, they did not have great talent. Showalter got them into the playoffs in '95 as young guys like Jeter were starting to figure it out. LaRussa (and Showalter) would've been just as successful with the late 90s roster NY had. Hell, oli might have sniffed a division title.

LaRussa would have traded Jeter for some veteran he was familiar with like he did with Dansby Swanson for Shelby Miller.

Hahaha.....OK. Like he traded Pujols, Molina, and Wainwright?

Pujols was going to quit and would have if Bonilla hadn't gotten injured in spring training which opened up a spot.

He was not going to quit. He was 21 and had a great Spring Training. Nobody says "By goodness, I'm never making it at this old age of 21!"

Yes, the Bonilla injury allowed Albert to make the Opening Day roster. But even without it, he would've been in StL by Memorial Day.

[Dewey Kuey]

Was trying to create a Dan Uggla out of Nolan Gorman. Insane idea as not only could he not play very good at second base he couldn't hit either. Such a waste of time when they could have been developing a good, young, talented second baseman instead of trying to develop someone who did not have talent at that position.

They have a young, talented second baseman. Two of them actually.

It was always the correct move to give Gorman runway. He’s got the most power potential in the system. The leash has to be getting short though at this point.

Gorman is not a talented second baseman. The only talent NG has is when he barrels a ball it jumps off his bat. The rest he is just meh. Not worth the time they put into him trying to create something he was never going to be.

[DwaininAztec]

Keith Hernandez. They got absolutely nothing in that trade.

I'd also agree on not signing Bryce Harper. The team needed his fire the past several years.

Keith was there for 3 or so years. He couldn't stay in St. Louis.

More like 6 full seasons and 3 partial.