MiamiLaw wrote: ↑07 May 2025 13:12 pm
99% would mean, in a vacuum, if you played that scenario 100 times, the Blues would win 99 of them. 99.5% would mean if you played that scenario 200 times, the Blues would win 199 times. Given the circumstances, I think those odds are pretty spot on but this just happened to be a time it happened. While the Blues failure to address the issue that plagued them all season should not go unnoticed, you've got to also credit the Jets. They had to make that play happen and it took three perfect cross ice VERY hard passes being received and tipped perfectly in to happen.
Yeah, it really was an amazing play. I’m still traumatized by it and we can point to 100 breakdowns by the Blues but I’m still amazed that after Ehlers fans on a shot, Lowry gives the puck right back to him, instead of trying to fire it again, he makes a perfect cross-ice pass to Connolly. Connolly then instantly fires it for a perfect tip by Perfetti. I mean, come on.
I’m going to be grumpy around 9pm tonight when I realize the Blues could be playing but I’ll get over it. Trying to move my brain to off-season mode as much as I can.
MiamiLaw wrote: ↑07 May 2025 13:12 pm
99% would mean, in a vacuum, if you played that scenario 100 times, the Blues would win 99 of them. 99.5% would mean if you played that scenario 200 times, the Blues would win 199 times. Given the circumstances, I think those odds are pretty spot on but this just happened to be a time it happened. While the Blues failure to address the issue that plagued them all season should not go unnoticed, you've got to also credit the Jets. They had to make that play happen and it took three perfect cross ice VERY hard passes being received and tipped perfectly in to happen.
yeah, they also had to do it in the time allotted which was like 8 or 9 seconds. Any number of things can happen those other 99 times. conner fans on the shot, perfetti doesn't angle his stick enough or too much, a blues stick tips it slightly, conner brushes it off and doesn't get it off in time.
Not only did everything have to go wrong for the Blues, but everything else had to go absolutely right for the Jets.
If you replayed that scenario 1000 times, Winnipeg likely converts it 10 maybe 15 times.
MiamiLaw wrote: ↑07 May 2025 13:12 pm
99% would mean, in a vacuum, if you played that scenario 100 times, the Blues would win 99 of them. 99.5% would mean if you played that scenario 200 times, the Blues would win 199 times. Given the circumstances, I think those odds are pretty spot on but this just happened to be a time it happened. While the Blues failure to address the issue that plagued them all season should not go unnoticed, you've got to also credit the Jets. They had to make that play happen and it took three perfect cross ice VERY hard passes being received and tipped perfectly in to happen.
Yeah, it really was an amazing play. I’m still traumatized by it and we can point to 100 breakdowns by the Blues but I’m still amazed that after Ehlers fans on a shot, Lowry gives the puck right back to him, instead of trying to fire it again, he makes a perfect cross-ice pass to Connolly. Connolly then instantly fires it for a perfect tip by Perfetti. I mean, come on.
I’m going to be grumpy around 9pm tonight when I realize the Blues could be playing but I’ll get over it. Trying to move my brain to off-season mode as much as I can.
For sure to both you and JackB. This wasn't some fluke goal or Nolan from center or Yzerman (arguably) softer goal. This was actually an astonishing show of composure and skill by multiple players in very quick succession.
I'm with you on Yzerman goal in that team had Gretzky and immense expectations.
But he scored on Jon Casey, our backup, so it wasn't a shock.
And imagine if the Blues had led that game 3-1 with 2 minutes to go, and Red Wings scored twice to send it to OT.
The city of St Louis would have imploded.
The major disappointment of that game was that the Jets were missing Scheifele and 5 minutes into the first period lost Morrisey and had to play dmen way more minutes than they were accustomed to.
Instead of attacking and hitting them relentlessly in the OT the Blues just sat back and let Winnipeg continue to attack which made those additional minutes so much easier for the likes of Pionk.
The only line that effectively did any of that during both OT periods was the WTF line.
That's the major issue. If the Blues really push the play they likely win in the first OT.
BrummerStealsHome wrote: ↑07 May 2025 12:18 pm
This has been a terribly crushing loss. Instead of going to the American Airlines arena to watch game 1 tonight, I'm stuck going out to help pick out wedding invitations for one of our nieces. Thanks for nothing, Buch.
Remember George Costanza's wedding. Go with the more expensive envelopes.
Yes, good advice. But I am under no illusions that I will have any input. I don't want to have input. I will be expected to have input, and it will be summarily ignored. Such is the way of females and weddings.
Konstantinov wrote: ↑07 May 2025 14:46 pm
I'm with you on Yzerman goal in that team had Gretzky and immense expectations.
But he scored on Jon Casey, our backup, so it wasn't a shock.
And imagine if the Blues had led that game 3-1 with 2 minutes to go, and Red Wings scored twice to send it to OT.
The city of St Louis would have imploded.
Except we blew a 3 -2 series lead. Shayne Corson choked on a breakaway in first 0t. We lost to Chris Osgood. Casey played lights out that series. It was the hated Red Wings (not near the rivalry that exists with Winnipeg). Not even close. That game still bums me out especially when the NHL uses it in their ads. [fork] Steve Yzerman. Glad the Wings suck.
For me this doesn’t even come close to compared to 1996. Blues picked up Gretzky and had a lineup with several HoF players (Pronger, MacInnis, Hull, Gretzky, Courtnall, Baron). We ripped through Toronto in first round and were playing the 131 point Presidents cup Detroit team. We took them to game 7 and lost 0-1 in double OT on the Yzerman goal. That was the best chance the Blues ever had at the time to win the cup. If we won that one game the cup was ours and I remember not sleeping for 2 days because of that game.
rezero wrote: ↑07 May 2025 19:17 pm
Agree with the poster above.
For me this doesn’t even come close to compared to 1996. Blues picked up Gretzky and had a lineup with several HoF players (Pronger, MacInnis, Hull, Gretzky, Courtnall, Baron). We ripped through Toronto in first round and were playing the 131 point Presidents cup Detroit team. We took them to game 7 and lost 0-1 in double OT on the Yzerman goal. That was the best chance the Blues ever had at the time to win the cup. If we won that one game the cup was ours and I remember not sleeping for 2 days because of that game.
Idk. Detroits next series was the absolutely legendary one vs a VERY strong Avs team, which they lost.
Being one of the old timers I would say the Gretzky-Yzerman fiasco was on a par with this, not what you expect from the central figure for the Blues. In both instances virtually everyone one the team had an opportunity to win the game for the Blues and did not. Detroit's defense was pretty good as I recall.
Hooking wrote: ↑06 May 2025 07:49 am
The Blues have made the playoffs 46 out of 57 times and have 1 Stanley cup.
Statistically they should have at least 2.
I think of the teams with Hull, Pronger, MacInnis... etc when I was growing up and think how in the hell did they not win a cup in the 90's / early 2000's?
Then you see things like Yzerman game 7 goal in double OT in 1996 that eliminated the Blues. Easily his most famous goal and possibly Detroit's most famous goal ever.
Just youtube or google "Yzerman" and this goal will be one of the top results.
Or how about Owen Nolan from center ice in game 7 of the first round in 2000. The goal was in the first period but there were 10 seconds left and it ended up being the game winner.
So to me, this most recent heart-breaker is just that. Another heartbreaker from a franchise that has already given me many. Is it near the top? Well seeding does matter to me and this will be a fantastic lesson and a ton of experience for this Blues club.
Amazing effort for an 8 seed vs the supposed presidents trophy vezina goaltender who may also win MVP.
2000 was the worst. You do know, Nolan doesn't score that goal, the Blues probably would have won that game 7 and probably made the WCF at least. That goal changed the game. Just like the Petro goal against the Bruins changed the game 7. The Blues were the better team in that Sharks series and came back from 3 games to 1.
97-98 sucked too. Last year with Hull. Mac, Pronger monster years and with Hull. That team should made a deep run.
Then you have 02-03 the Canucks blown series. The Blues nearly did the same thing to the Canucks the Jets did and could have won that series on Easter Sunday. Add .01 or .02 to the clock and the puck doesn't bounce over Demitra's stick, then it's OT and Blues possibly eliminate the canucks and go all the way. I was sitting in section 310. Demitra was soooo close to tying the game at the horn.
I still cringe about game 7 against the Bruins. Blues lost game 6 and I didn't think they win game 7. Was it Schenn midway thru the second hit the cross bar and nearly went in to make it 3-0? I thought for sure Boston would comeback and win after that. In the third they had that big rush. IMO if they scored I think they'd win the game.
I never for one second thought that the 1996 Gretzky Blues were good enough to win the Cup.
We finished 50 POINTS behind the Wings AND had a Losing record (2 games under .500).
Even if we had somehow knocked off Detroit, Colorado had a loaded team also.
Sakic, Forsberg, Deadmarsh, Foote, AND especially a HOF goalie in Patrick Roy, who was light years better than Detroits goalie, Chris Osgood.
We did have some high end talent but basicalky zero depth, beyond those 3-4 players.
And the Pronger of 1996 was nowhere near what he eventually became 2-3 years later.
