a smell of green grass wrote: ↑06 May 2025 21:15 pm Dvorsky is great and ready, and we are going to plug him into 2C next year, and I think we are going to win a Cup because that was a key missing piece. He didn't say 1 of those 20 simple words.
Yep it's always good to put as much pressure as possible on your 19 year old prospect. Especially while guaranteeing him a spot on the roster, which potentially gives him less motivation to work hard this summer.
Oh, I didn't know Dvorsky's mom was on here. Sorry, mam.
Let's do it this way instead. Let's dust off the old "welcome to the NHL manual - Scott Perunovich". Let's wait 8 years to find out what we have, and then if it doesn't work out, let's arrange a presser to blow kisses to the leaving train.
Bomac, is that you?
DA broke you long ago.
Too funny.
I'm not Bomac. From what I hear, I wish I knew who he was because he and I probably drink the same beer at the same bar. I'm ASOGG. It's my one and only account ever.
Without a doubt, DA has landed some punches to me. However, you will find that I enjoy 5-minute majors. Somebody has to hold DA accountable in this town.
-Said a lot of the same things. Wants to go out and find another 200 ft scoring forward. My interpretation is he wants a 2C…or at least a 3C.
-Wouldn’t trade a prospect for a 1 year player. Would need to be someone that’d be here at least a few years.
-Aim for next year is to be in the top half of the middle third of the league. My take: they finished 14th out of 32 teams this season so top half of the middle third is when they’re at already.
-Talked about progression. Had 16th overall pick last year, 19th this year. Goal of course is to have the 32nd overall pick but he’d be happy if we had the 24th overall next season. My take: that’d be the 9th best team in the league…which is better than top half of the middle third. Guy needs to verify his math before spitting out these talking points but overall, what he says makes sense.
Sounds like we’re likely to return with mostly the same group but he’s going to try to make a couple adds. I forget which player said it this morning but they talked about this run making STL a higher consideration for UFAs and that’s true.
lol he is not that far off top of the middle 3rd would be like 11-15 and in his defense he said doing math in public was a bad idea.
It was Buch that talked about being a higher consideration for UFA.
Another thing I found interesting is that he said he has already talked to Faksa and I was surprised by that. I would think that means there is very significant interest in bringing him back.
Sticking point will always be money on Faksa. wears the opposition down, great for a postseason run to be perfectly honest, and is great asset to have on the faceoff dot when you need faceoffs won in the defensive zone. If he would agree to terms closer to 2.2-2.3M, i'd be game for that. It might be slightly more than he's worth to some, but on the open market he's probably a solid depth piece that playoff teams wouldn't mind having. Just have to probably find a way to move a forward out so you can justify it.
I wonder if we are really looking for the short term Center option. I'm of the opinion that you can start Dvorsky on the wing and play Schenn at center this coming season, and then the following year you move Schenn to more of a 3rd line role. Think there are plenty of low hanging fruit in the RFA market again that you could probably spend a 3rd round pick on, maybe not quite at the level of Holloway but close.
I'm still of the belief that this team maximizes on it's potential when the 2nd and 3rd line adopt a shooting mentality, and the defensemen do as well. We have the speed and a lot of players that understand how to get a step on the coverage to get to the center of the ice. I get having the top line distribute into a grade A chance with a playmaker like Thomas, but i don't know that we have that dedicating passer on the 2nd or 3rd line. Think thats why i'd honestly prefer Buch not be on a line with Thomas, think Buch is much more of a distributor of pucks than a goal scoring threat despite the hat trick. Maybe invest in someone with a slightly more complete Center game than Texier and set him outbound for a bag of pucks and call that trade an L. Not talking about a 45-50 point scorer now, but someone with speed, faceoffs, and passing who might be pushed down a depth chart somewhere.
JoshInFenton wrote: ↑07 May 2025 00:50 am
Sticking point will always be money on Faksa. wears the opposition down, great for a postseason run to be perfectly honest, and is great asset to have on the faceoff dot when you need faceoffs won in the defensive zone. If he would agree to terms closer to 2.2-2.3M, i'd be game for that. It might be slightly more than he's worth to some, but on the open market he's probably a solid depth piece that playoff teams wouldn't mind having. Just have to probably find a way to move a forward out so you can justify it.
I wonder if we are really looking for the short term Center option. I'm of the opinion that you can start Dvorsky on the wing and play Schenn at center this coming season, and then the following year you move Schenn to more of a 3rd line role. Think there are plenty of low hanging fruit in the RFA market again that you could probably spend a 3rd round pick on, maybe not quite at the level of Holloway but close.
I'm still of the belief that this team maximizes on it's potential when the 2nd and 3rd line adopt a shooting mentality, and the defensemen do as well. We have the speed and a lot of players that understand how to get a step on the coverage to get to the center of the ice. I get having the top line distribute into a grade A chance with a playmaker like Thomas, but i don't know that we have that dedicating passer on the 2nd or 3rd line. Think thats why i'd honestly prefer Buch not be on a line with Thomas, think Buch is much more of a distributor of pucks than a goal scoring threat despite the hat trick. Maybe invest in someone with a slightly more complete Center game than Texier and set him outbound for a bag of pucks and call that trade an L. Not talking about a 45-50 point scorer now, but someone with speed, faceoffs, and passing who might be pushed down a depth chart somewhere.
I think we are probably in the market at center and RD but time will tell if anything out there makes sense.
Center being a more immediate short term need and RD and LD really being a more long term need that we can be patient searching for the right match.
a smell of green grass wrote: ↑06 May 2025 21:15 pm Dvorsky is great and ready, and we are going to plug him into 2C next year, and I think we are going to win a Cup because that was a key missing piece. He didn't say 1 of those 20 simple words.
Yep it's always good to put as much pressure as possible on your 19 year old prospect. Especially while guaranteeing him a spot on the roster, which potentially gives him less motivation to work hard this summer.
Oh, I didn't know Dvorsky's mom was on here. Sorry, mam.
Let's do it this way instead. Let's dust off the old "welcome to the NHL manual - Scott Perunovich". Let's wait 8 years to find out what we have, and then if it doesn't work out, let's arrange a presser to blow kisses to the leaving train.
I thought you were done posting here. I'm sure I read a whining post that said you had had enough and wouldn't be gracing us with your presence anymore. What happened to that?
a smell of green grass wrote: ↑06 May 2025 21:15 pm Dvorsky is great and ready, and we are going to plug him into 2C next year, and I think we are going to win a Cup because that was a key missing piece. He didn't say 1 of those 20 simple words.
Yep it's always good to put as much pressure as possible on your 19 year old prospect. Especially while guaranteeing him a spot on the roster, which potentially gives him less motivation to work hard this summer.
Oh, I didn't know Dvorsky's mom was on here. Sorry, mam.
Let's do it this way instead. Let's dust off the old "welcome to the NHL manual - Scott Perunovich". Let's wait 8 years to find out what we have, and then if it doesn't work out, let's arrange a presser to blow kisses to the leaving train.
Bomac, is that you?
DA broke you long ago.
Too funny.
I'm not Bomac. From what I hear, I wish I knew who he was because he and I probably drink the same beer at the same bar. I'm ASOGG. It's my one and only account ever.
Without a doubt, DA has landed some punches to me. However, you will find that I enjoy 5-minute majors. Somebody has to hold DA accountable in this town.
Didn’t you say you were done posting here?
The fact that you couldn’t keep your word for a week says a lot about how much weight we should put into what you say.
a smell of green grass wrote: ↑06 May 2025 21:15 pm Dvorsky is great and ready, and we are going to plug him into 2C next year, and I think we are going to win a Cup because that was a key missing piece. He didn't say 1 of those 20 simple words.
Yep it's always good to put as much pressure as possible on your 19 year old prospect. Especially while guaranteeing him a spot on the roster, which potentially gives him less motivation to work hard this summer.
Oh, I didn't know Dvorsky's mom was on here. Sorry, mam.
Let's do it this way instead. Let's dust off the old "welcome to the NHL manual - Scott Perunovich". Let's wait 8 years to find out what we have, and then if it doesn't work out, let's arrange a presser to blow kisses to the leaving train.
Bomac, is that you?
DA broke you long ago.
Too funny.
I'm not Bomac. From what I hear, I wish I knew who he was because he and I probably drink the same beer at the same bar. I'm ASOGG. It's my one and only account ever.
Without a doubt, DA has landed some punches to me. However, you will find that I enjoy 5-minute majors. Somebody has to hold DA accountable in this town.
Didn’t you say you were done posting here?
The fact that you couldn’t keep your word for a week says a lot about how much weight we should put into what you say.
So we have now established that DA is in my head, and ASOGG is in your head.
Can you let your therapist know that your mental illness is catching?
JoshInFenton wrote: ↑07 May 2025 00:50 am
Sticking point will always be money on Faksa. wears the opposition down, great for a postseason run to be perfectly honest, and is great asset to have on the faceoff dot when you need faceoffs won in the defensive zone. If he would agree to terms closer to 2.2-2.3M, i'd be game for that. It might be slightly more than he's worth to some, but on the open market he's probably a solid depth piece that playoff teams wouldn't mind having. Just have to probably find a way to move a forward out so you can justify it.
I wonder if we are really looking for the short term Center option. I'm of the opinion that you can start Dvorsky on the wing and play Schenn at center this coming season, and then the following year you move Schenn to more of a 3rd line role. Think there are plenty of low hanging fruit in the RFA market again that you could probably spend a 3rd round pick on, maybe not quite at the level of Holloway but close.
I'm still of the belief that this team maximizes on it's potential when the 2nd and 3rd line adopt a shooting mentality, and the defensemen do as well. We have the speed and a lot of players that understand how to get a step on the coverage to get to the center of the ice. I get having the top line distribute into a grade A chance with a playmaker like Thomas, but i don't know that we have that dedicating passer on the 2nd or 3rd line. Think thats why i'd honestly prefer Buch not be on a line with Thomas, think Buch is much more of a distributor of pucks than a goal scoring threat despite the hat trick. Maybe invest in someone with a slightly more complete Center game than Texier and set him outbound for a bag of pucks and call that trade an L. Not talking about a 45-50 point scorer now, but someone with speed, faceoffs, and passing who might be pushed down a depth chart somewhere.
Good post. Faksa and the 4th line is a great example of "if it ain't broke, don't fix it". Faksa can be put out on the ice in any defensive situation and be a plus player. He wins face-offs and is one of the few players we have that's in the critical 6'3" size range - and he plays up to it. Yes, he's going to be a short timer here but I look at our overall team size and wish we were a little bigger. Lots of 5'11" and 6 footers.
And I'm with you in that the upgrades need to happen somewhere on the upper three lines. Essentially they need to get better than Joesph, Textier and Sunny. I'm looking at the salaries on Puck Pedia and unfortunately we've got over $7 million in those three next year. Oh well, maybe Doug can shed one or two of those to redirect the cash to Faksa and others.
I hope that we bring Faksa back but I wouldn't pay any more than $3 million for a fourth line player. Anything more I think you need to look elsewhere. That being said, I would give him a three year contract. We certainly need Faksa but we need to be wise with our money. Retaining Fowler, long term Neighbors, Holloway and Broberg contract are in my opinion much greater priorities.
JoshInFenton wrote: ↑07 May 2025 00:50 am
Sticking point will always be money on Faksa. wears the opposition down, great for a postseason run to be perfectly honest, and is great asset to have on the faceoff dot when you need faceoffs won in the defensive zone. If he would agree to terms closer to 2.2-2.3M, i'd be game for that. It might be slightly more than he's worth to some, but on the open market he's probably a solid depth piece that playoff teams wouldn't mind having. Just have to probably find a way to move a forward out so you can justify it.
I wonder if we are really looking for the short term Center option. I'm of the opinion that you can start Dvorsky on the wing and play Schenn at center this coming season, and then the following year you move Schenn to more of a 3rd line role. Think there are plenty of low hanging fruit in the RFA market again that you could probably spend a 3rd round pick on, maybe not quite at the level of Holloway but close.
I'm still of the belief that this team maximizes on it's potential when the 2nd and 3rd line adopt a shooting mentality, and the defensemen do as well. We have the speed and a lot of players that understand how to get a step on the coverage to get to the center of the ice. I get having the top line distribute into a grade A chance with a playmaker like Thomas, but i don't know that we have that dedicating passer on the 2nd or 3rd line. Think thats why i'd honestly prefer Buch not be on a line with Thomas, think Buch is much more of a distributor of pucks than a goal scoring threat despite the hat trick. Maybe invest in someone with a slightly more complete Center game than Texier and set him outbound for a bag of pucks and call that trade an L. Not talking about a 45-50 point scorer now, but someone with speed, faceoffs, and passing who might be pushed down a depth chart somewhere.
That’s probably the max I would go on Faksa but given the Cap increase, that might be the going rate now.
We should always be on the lookout in the RFA market but I think it’s going to be hard to find another Holloway or anything close to him. The hard part is actually getting the player. Finding a team that won’t/can’t match. The only reason Edmonton didn’t match is because they had backed themselves into a corner and just didn’t have the cap space to be able to. With the Cap going up, teams just won’t be in that precarious position most likely. That and they saw what happened to the Oil last summer and I suspect most teams will be sure to leave themselves enough cap space to match anything remotely reasonable. Finding a quality player for just a 3rd round pick is unlikely IMO.
MandatoryDenial wrote: ↑07 May 2025 07:09 am
I hope that we bring Faksa back but I wouldn't pay any more than $3 million for a fourth line player. Anything more I think you need to look elsewhere. That being said, I would give him a three year contract. We certainly need Faksa but we need to be wise with our money. Retaining Fowler, long term Neighbors, Holloway and Broberg contract are in my opinion much greater priorities.
I’d be pretty shocked if we gave Faksa $9M ($3M x 3 years). He’s just not worth that term or AAV.
Give consideration to the question of where this team would be if all that it had was Armstrong's drafting...
No Fowler, Faksa, Holloway, or Broberg. What shape would the team be in? Accidental and gross tanking is the answer.
Hey sportswriters... You think you could ask a few more questions about our draft scouting department? We don't need to know that Stenberg is finding himself on the bus more often. A key characteristic of legit cup teams is being loaded with their own drafted talent. Doug Armstrong was pretty quiet about our prospects yesterday, don't you think?
When Armstrong doesn't say much about our own drafted prospects.... you better listen, because history may be repeating.
Sure, finding players released from other clubs and trades can help, but it can also hurt. Teams tend to keep their best--obviously.
For every Fowler on our roster, there are 2 Leddys, and a 3rd Leddy on payroll and injured.
MandatoryDenial wrote: ↑07 May 2025 07:09 am
I hope that we bring Faksa back but I wouldn't pay any more than $3 million for a fourth line player. Anything more I think you need to look elsewhere. That being said, I would give him a three year contract. We certainly need Faksa but we need to be wise with our money. Retaining Fowler, long term Neighbors, Holloway and Broberg contract are in my opinion much greater priorities.
I’d be pretty shocked if we gave Faksa $9M ($3M x 3 years). He’s just not worth that term or AAV.
I think he is going to get $3 million on the open market a year. Yeah your right that is a tough pill to swallow. However he is a playoff performer and I wouldn't want to break up that fourth line.
MandatoryDenial wrote: ↑07 May 2025 07:09 am
I hope that we bring Faksa back but I wouldn't pay any more than $3 million for a fourth line player. Anything more I think you need to look elsewhere. That being said, I would give him a three year contract. We certainly need Faksa but we need to be wise with our money. Retaining Fowler, long term Neighbors, Holloway and Broberg contract are in my opinion much greater priorities.
I’d be pretty shocked if we gave Faksa $9M ($3M x 3 years). He’s just not worth that term or AAV.
I think he is going to get $3 million on the open market a year. Yeah your right that is a tough pill to swallow. However he is a playoff performer and I wouldn't want to break up that fourth line.
Not too many guys that just scored 15 pts total over an entire season command $3M/year.
MandatoryDenial wrote: ↑07 May 2025 07:09 am
I hope that we bring Faksa back but I wouldn't pay any more than $3 million for a fourth line player. Anything more I think you need to look elsewhere. That being said, I would give him a three year contract. We certainly need Faksa but we need to be wise with our money. Retaining Fowler, long term Neighbors, Holloway and Broberg contract are in my opinion much greater priorities.
I’d be pretty shocked if we gave Faksa $9M ($3M x 3 years). He’s just not worth that term or AAV.
I think he is going to get $3 million on the open market a year. Yeah your right that is a tough pill to swallow. However he is a playoff performer and I wouldn't want to break up that fourth line.
My strong preference would be to have one of our prospects fill the 4C spot.
If that is not possible, then they should keep Faksa. Faksa is great in all seasons. If Faksa goes, we get ARMY FREE RANGING AGAIN, and that would very likely land us another expensive useless disaster on a multi-year contract (aka Leddy 2). Let's let Steen try to find the longer-term 4C.
Give consideration to the question of where this team would be if all that it had was Armstrong's drafting...
No Fowler, Faksa, Holloway, or Broberg. What shape would the team be in? Accidental and gross tanking is the answer.
Hey sportswriters... You think you could ask a few more questions about our draft scouting department? We don't need to know that Stenberg is finding himself on the bus more often. A key characteristic of legit cup teams is being loaded with their own drafted talent. Doug Armstrong was pretty quiet about our prospects yesterday, don't you think?
When Armstrong doesn't say much about our own drafted prospects.... you better listen, because history may be repeating.
Sure, finding players released from other clubs and trades can help, but it can also hurt. Teams tend to keep their best--obviously.
For every Fowler on our roster, there are 2 Leddys, and a 3rd Leddy on payroll and injured.
What? Why would he talk about the prospects more? Only one prospect question was asked and he answered it. He answered the questions that were asked of him. Why must you always find some nefarious hidden meaning to things?
And I’ll never understand your critique of our scouting dept that somehow it’s bad or underperforming. You’ve been shown numerous times now how the Blues scouts have outperformed most other teams over the years.
