ShakeyWalton wrote: ↑01 May 2025 15:38 pm
There is a massive difference as to where the organizations are at right now. The Blues were the best team in the NHL the last several months, and they have a lot more help on the way. They are setup beautifully for the next decade. Armstrong made the best restricted free agent signings in the last 20 years or so when he stole Broberg and Holliday. The fans packed the Scottrade to more than 98% capacity. Fans are going crazy for their Blues.
The Cardinals? I couldn’t begin to tell you how to fix the mess they are in. Interest is at its lowest levels I’ve ever seen, and I go back to 1989 as a full time viewer. Now I love my Cardinals, but I’m going to say it like it is; they need to figure something out quite drastically.
The St Louis Cardinals were the best team in MLB from May 20th, 2024 to July 23, 2024. That was 55 games over 9 weeks, the middle third of the 2024 season.
33-22 STL
31-23 BOS, MIN, HOU, NYM
31-24 MIL
31-25 BAL
30-23 CLE, PHI
30-25 ARI
29-24 LAD, PIT
29-25 CIN
29-26 SDP
Had the World Series occurred when STL was hottest, they had a good shot to win it. But, alas, it does not work that way.
ShakeyWalton wrote: ↑01 May 2025 15:38 pm
There is a massive difference as to where the organizations are at right now. The Blues were the best team in the NHL the last several months, and they have a lot more help on the way. They are setup beautifully for the next decade. Armstrong made the best restricted free agent signings in the last 20 years or so when he stole Broberg and Holliday. The fans packed the Scottrade to more than 98% capacity. Fans are going crazy for their Blues.
The Cardinals? I couldn’t begin to tell you how to fix the mess they are in. Interest is at its lowest levels I’ve ever seen, and I go back to 1989 as a full time viewer. Now I love my Cardinals, but I’m going to say it like it is; they need to figure something out quite drastically.
We will see and I hope you're right. A little research shows me the Blues are about middle of the road in terms of in house prospect rankings in the NHL. I'll remain skeptical at this time about how beautifully the Blues are set up for a decade of cup runs.
The Blues averaged 17.5k fans over 41 home games this season, ranking 19th in the NHL.
Cards right now are averaging 28.5k, ranking 13th in MLB.
A lot of their “farm” is producing on the NHL team as we speak. The Blues are in phenomenal shape moving forward with their young talent and a (bleep) ton of money off the books by 26-27. Expectations were low for the Blues, but the hiring of Monty and the Edmonton acquisitions have transformed the franchise and got the fans back the last few months.
Busch averaging 28.5? Sales maybe, but there’s not more than 15K in those seats on average this year.
Just giving you attendance figures for both teams respective to their leagues.
We will see about this Blues dynasty you predict.
Dynasty? Dude, those days are long gone. I’m just saying the Blues are in great shape to be highly competitive for awhile. Fans are excited.
The Cards are spinning their wheels and fans are very down about ownership, product, and management. Those are just the facts.
ShakeyWalton wrote: ↑01 May 2025 15:38 pm
There is a massive difference as to where the organizations are at right now. The Blues were the best team in the NHL the last several months, and they have a lot more help on the way. They are setup beautifully for the next decade. Armstrong made the best restricted free agent signings in the last 20 years or so when he stole Broberg and Holliday. The fans packed the Scottrade to more than 98% capacity. Fans are going crazy for their Blues.
The Cardinals? I couldn’t begin to tell you how to fix the mess they are in. Interest is at its lowest levels I’ve ever seen, and I go back to 1989 as a full time viewer. Now I love my Cardinals, but I’m going to say it like it is; they need to figure something out quite drastically.
The St Louis Cardinals were the best team in MLB from May 20th, 2024 to July 23, 2024. That was 55 games over 9 weeks, the middle third of the 2024 season.
33-22 STL
31-23 BOS, MIN, HOU, NYM
31-24 MIL
31-25 BAL
30-23 CLE, PHI
30-25 ARI
29-24 LAD, PIT
29-25 CIN
29-26 SDP
Had the World Series occurred when STL was hottest, they had a good shot to win it. But, alas, it does not work that way.
The Blues qualified to compete for a Stanley Cup and are still playing . The Cards were 10 games out of first in the Central, and 6 out of the Wild Card(s). Hope that helps.
ShakeyWalton wrote: ↑01 May 2025 15:38 pm
There is a massive difference as to where the organizations are at right now. The Blues were the best team in the NHL the last several months, and they have a lot more help on the way. They are setup beautifully for the next decade. Armstrong made the best restricted free agent signings in the last 20 years or so when he stole Broberg and Holliday. The fans packed the Scottrade to more than 98% capacity. Fans are going crazy for their Blues.
The Cardinals? I couldn’t begin to tell you how to fix the mess they are in. Interest is at its lowest levels I’ve ever seen, and I go back to 1989 as a full time viewer. Now I love my Cardinals, but I’m going to say it like it is; they need to figure something out quite drastically.
The St Louis Cardinals were the best team in MLB from May 20th, 2024 to July 23, 2024. That was 55 games over 9 weeks, the middle third of the 2024 season.
33-22 STL
31-23 BOS, MIN, HOU, NYM
31-24 MIL
31-25 BAL
30-23 CLE, PHI
30-25 ARI
29-24 LAD, PIT
29-25 CIN
29-26 SDP
Had the World Series occurred when STL was hottest, they had a good shot to win it. But, alas, it does not work that way.
The Blues qualified to compete for a Stanley Cup and are still playing . The Cards were 10 games out of first in the Central, and 6 out of the Wild Card(s). Hope that helps.
16 teams qualify for the NHL playoffs (half the league). The Blues got in on the last day of the season. The Cards tied for 15th best in MLB... but only 12 teams made the playoffs (40% of the league). Wow. That is a dramatic difference.
The Blues finished 10 games out in the Western Conference Central Division. The Cards finished 10 games out in the NL Central. Wow. That is a dramatic difference.
ShakeyWalton wrote: ↑01 May 2025 15:38 pm
There is a massive difference as to where the organizations are at right now. The Blues were the best team in the NHL the last several months, and they have a lot more help on the way. They are setup beautifully for the next decade. Armstrong made the best restricted free agent signings in the last 20 years or so when he stole Broberg and Holliday. The fans packed the Scottrade to more than 98% capacity. Fans are going crazy for their Blues.
The Cardinals? I couldn’t begin to tell you how to fix the mess they are in. Interest is at its lowest levels I’ve ever seen, and I go back to 1989 as a full time viewer. Now I love my Cardinals, but I’m going to say it like it is; they need to figure something out quite drastically.
The St Louis Cardinals were the best team in MLB from May 20th, 2024 to July 23, 2024. That was 55 games over 9 weeks, the middle third of the 2024 season.
33-22 STL
31-23 BOS, MIN, HOU, NYM
31-24 MIL
31-25 BAL
30-23 CLE, PHI
30-25 ARI
29-24 LAD, PIT
29-25 CIN
29-26 SDP
Had the World Series occurred when STL was hottest, they had a good shot to win it. But, alas, it does not work that way.
The Blues qualified to compete for a Stanley Cup and are still playing . The Cards were 10 games out of first in the Central, and 6 out of the Wild Card(s). Hope that helps.
16 teams qualify for the NHL playoffs (half the league). The Blues got in on the last day of the season. The Cards tied for 15th best in MLB... but only 12 teams made the playoffs (40% of the league). Wow. That is a dramatic difference.
The Blues finished 10 games out in the Western Conference Central Division. The Cards finished 10 games out in the NL Central. Wow. That is a dramatic difference.
The Blues have a great future with unbelievable management and ownership that cares and spends to the cap. The Cards have little in their system, owners caring less and less, shaky front office and coaching. You really want to do this man? You want to honestly compare how these two franchises stack up?
ShakeyWalton wrote: ↑01 May 2025 15:38 pm
There is a massive difference as to where the organizations are at right now. The Blues were the best team in the NHL the last several months, and they have a lot more help on the way. They are setup beautifully for the next decade. Armstrong made the best restricted free agent signings in the last 20 years or so when he stole Broberg and Holliday. The fans packed the Scottrade to more than 98% capacity. Fans are going crazy for their Blues.
The Cardinals? I couldn’t begin to tell you how to fix the mess they are in. Interest is at its lowest levels I’ve ever seen, and I go back to 1989 as a full time viewer. Now I love my Cardinals, but I’m going to say it like it is; they need to figure something out quite drastically.
The St Louis Cardinals were the best team in MLB from May 20th, 2024 to July 23, 2024. That was 55 games over 9 weeks, the middle third of the 2024 season.
33-22 STL
31-23 BOS, MIN, HOU, NYM
31-24 MIL
31-25 BAL
30-23 CLE, PHI
30-25 ARI
29-24 LAD, PIT
29-25 CIN
29-26 SDP
Had the World Series occurred when STL was hottest, they had a good shot to win it. But, alas, it does not work that way.
The Blues qualified to compete for a Stanley Cup and are still playing . The Cards were 10 games out of first in the Central, and 6 out of the Wild Card(s). Hope that helps.
16 teams qualify for the NHL playoffs (half the league). The Blues got in on the last day of the season. The Cards tied for 15th best in MLB... but only 12 teams made the playoffs (40% of the league). Wow. That is a dramatic difference.
The Blues finished 10 games out in the Western Conference Central Division. The Cards finished 10 games out in the NL Central. Wow. That is a dramatic difference.
The Blues have a great future with unbelievable management and ownership that cares and spends to the cap. The Cards have little in their system, owners caring less and less, shaky front office and coaching. You really want to do this man? You want to honestly compare how these two franchises stack up?
Love your optimism for the Blues. Hoping they stay alive tomorrow... or I guess later today.
ShakeyWalton wrote: ↑01 May 2025 15:38 pm
There is a massive difference as to where the organizations are at right now. The Blues were the best team in the NHL the last several months, and they have a lot more help on the way. They are setup beautifully for the next decade. Armstrong made the best restricted free agent signings in the last 20 years or so when he stole Broberg and Holliday. The fans packed the Scottrade to more than 98% capacity. Fans are going crazy for their Blues.
The Cardinals? I couldn’t begin to tell you how to fix the mess they are in. Interest is at its lowest levels I’ve ever seen, and I go back to 1989 as a full time viewer. Now I love my Cardinals, but I’m going to say it like it is; they need to figure something out quite drastically.
The St Louis Cardinals were the best team in MLB from May 20th, 2024 to July 23, 2024. That was 55 games over 9 weeks, the middle third of the 2024 season.
33-22 STL
31-23 BOS, MIN, HOU, NYM
31-24 MIL
31-25 BAL
30-23 CLE, PHI
30-25 ARI
29-24 LAD, PIT
29-25 CIN
29-26 SDP
Had the World Series occurred when STL was hottest, they had a good shot to win it. But, alas, it does not work that way.
The Blues qualified to compete for a Stanley Cup and are still playing . The Cards were 10 games out of first in the Central, and 6 out of the Wild Card(s). Hope that helps.
16 teams qualify for the NHL playoffs (half the league). The Blues got in on the last day of the season. The Cards tied for 15th best in MLB... but only 12 teams made the playoffs (40% of the league). Wow. That is a dramatic difference.
The Blues finished 10 games out in the Western Conference Central Division. The Cards finished 10 games out in the NL Central. Wow. That is a dramatic difference.
The Blues have a great future with unbelievable management and ownership that cares and spends to the cap. The Cards have little in their system, owners caring less and less, shaky front office and coaching. You really want to do this man? You want to honestly compare how these two franchises stack up?
Love your optimism for the Blues. Hoping they stay alive tomorrow... or I guess later today.
Brother, they could lose tonight and nothing changes about what I said. I love both these franchises equally. I hate the fact my Birds have gone so downhill. I hope you believe that….
JuanAgosto wrote: ↑01 May 2025 22:11 pm
I'd be happy if BDW just recalled his past and fired a manager who wasn't cutting it. There was a time when DeWitt was competitive.
He's in his 80s...someone needs to take the car keys from grandpa because most people that age seldom understand what is happening...and they will argue with anyone who disagrees
Another disappointing first round exit from the model St. Louis Blues franchise.
In all seriousness, gut wrenching loss, but how about we strive for a better "Cards should learn from" than the St. Louis Blues. Who have literally won once, ever.
cardinalsfever44 wrote: ↑04 May 2025 22:11 pm
Another disappointing first round exit from the model St. Louis Blues franchise.
In all seriousness, gut wrenching loss, but how about we strive for a better "Cards should learn from" than the St. Louis Blues. Who have literally won once, ever.
I always love these kinds of arguments. When one takes an entire franchises history and for some reason tries to make that relevant to the modern day. By your logic, many teams can learn from the As(third most WS wins) about how to do things the right way.
Sometimes it’s just better to keep it recent. And While the Blues aren’t perfect, they have a passionate owner a great connection with the fanbase and a GM that even despite being gone in a few years is doing everything he can to make sure the Blues are a legitimate cup contender by the time he walks out the door. Who just so happened to waste no time and cared about no feelings in getting a legitimate head coach to lead the way
cardinalsfever44 wrote: ↑04 May 2025 22:11 pm
Another disappointing first round exit from the model St. Louis Blues franchise.
In all seriousness, gut wrenching loss, but how about we strive for a better "Cards should learn from" than the St. Louis Blues. Who have literally won once, ever.
I always love these kinds of arguments. When one takes an entire franchises history and for some reason tries to make that relevant to the modern day. By your logic, many teams can learn from the As(third most WS wins) about how to do things the right way.
Sometimes it’s just better to keep it recent. And While the Blues aren’t perfect, they have a passionate owner a great connection with the fanbase and a GM that even despite being gone in a few years is doing everything he can to make sure the Blues are a legitimate cup contender by the time he walks out the door. Who just so happened to waste no time and cared about no feelings in getting a legitimate head coach to lead the way
Yeah, the Cards can definitely learn from that
Ok...in the last 20 years...Cards have more chips than the Blues
Nobody emulated the Blues in their own sport.
Not recent enough?
More recently, the Blues, prior to this year,ade the playoffs since 2022. Cards last made the playoffs in 2021.
Last game was exciting to watch.
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Well Blues, you got into the playoffs with a great run, were exciting at times, and many of us love you, although I'm just a bad fickle bandwagon type Blues fan, but wow.
I don't know much about hockey, but when trying to maintain a lead, giving up icing calls seems less than smart. Also when the oppositions net is empty, skate up some with the puck when you can to try and get a better percentage shot. Anyway, nice season, but what a way to lose.
Wonder what the Blues statcast odds of winning were when they were up 3-1 with little time remaining.
+99 perhaps?
They can't take away 2019 anyway, but one might wonder how long it'll be till the next STL crown in a major sport.
cardinalsfever44 wrote: ↑04 May 2025 22:11 pm
Another disappointing first round exit from the model St. Louis Blues franchise.
In all seriousness, gut wrenching loss, but how about we strive for a better "Cards should learn from" than the St. Louis Blues. Who have literally won once, ever.
I always love these kinds of arguments. When one takes an entire franchises history and for some reason tries to make that relevant to the modern day. By your logic, many teams can learn from the As(third most WS wins) about how to do things the right way.
Sometimes it’s just better to keep it recent. And While the Blues aren’t perfect, they have a passionate owner a great connection with the fanbase and a GM that even despite being gone in a few years is doing everything he can to make sure the Blues are a legitimate cup contender by the time he walks out the door. Who just so happened to waste no time and cared about no feelings in getting a legitimate head coach to lead the way
Yeah, the Cards can definitely learn from that
Ok...in the last 20 years...Cards have more chips than the Blues
Nobody emulated the Blues in their own sport.
Not recent enough?
More recently, the Blues, prior to this year,ade the playoffs since 2022. Cards last made the playoffs in 2021.
Last game was exciting to watch.
20 years ago some of the best players in baseball were still chitting in their diapers or hitting off a tee
I’m wondering why you didn’t do more recent like 10 years tops. Just it’s weird that you didn’t think of tha……oohhhhhhhhhh I see why………
cardinalsfever44 wrote: ↑04 May 2025 22:11 pm
Another disappointing first round exit from the model St. Louis Blues franchise.
In all seriousness, gut wrenching loss, but how about we strive for a better "Cards should learn from" than the St. Louis Blues. Who have literally won once, ever.
I always love these kinds of arguments. When one takes an entire franchises history and for some reason tries to make that relevant to the modern day. By your logic, many teams can learn from the As(third most WS wins) about how to do things the right way.
Sometimes it’s just better to keep it recent. And While the Blues aren’t perfect, they have a passionate owner a great connection with the fanbase and a GM that even despite being gone in a few years is doing everything he can to make sure the Blues are a legitimate cup contender by the time he walks out the door. Who just so happened to waste no time and cared about no feelings in getting a legitimate head coach to lead the way
Yeah, the Cards can definitely learn from that
Ok...in the last 20 years...Cards have more chips than the Blues
Nobody emulated the Blues in their own sport.
Not recent enough?
More recently, the Blues, prior to this year,ade the playoffs since 2022. Cards last made the playoffs in 2021.
Last game was exciting to watch.
20 years ago some of the best players in baseball were still chitting in their diapers or hitting off a tee
I’m wondering why you didn’t do more recent like 10 years tops. Just it’s weird that you didn’t think of tha……oohhhhhhhhhh I see why………
Making the playoffs recently is a good enough comparison?
I was responding to the idiotic As comparison, that's the reason for comparison of playoffs.
cardinalsfever44 wrote: ↑04 May 2025 22:11 pm
Another disappointing first round exit from the model St. Louis Blues franchise.
In all seriousness, gut wrenching loss, but how about we strive for a better "Cards should learn from" than the St. Louis Blues. Who have literally won once, ever.
I always love these kinds of arguments. When one takes an entire franchises history and for some reason tries to make that relevant to the modern day. By your logic, many teams can learn from the As(third most WS wins) about how to do things the right way.
Sometimes it’s just better to keep it recent. And While the Blues aren’t perfect, they have a passionate owner a great connection with the fanbase and a GM that even despite being gone in a few years is doing everything he can to make sure the Blues are a legitimate cup contender by the time he walks out the door. Who just so happened to waste no time and cared about no feelings in getting a legitimate head coach to lead the way
Yeah, the Cards can definitely learn from that
Ok...in the last 20 years...Cards have more chips than the Blues
Nobody emulated the Blues in their own sport.
Not recent enough?
More recently, the Blues, prior to this year,ade the playoffs since 2022. Cards last made the playoffs in 2021.
Last game was exciting to watch.
20 years ago some of the best players in baseball were still chitting in their diapers or hitting off a tee
I’m wondering why you didn’t do more recent like 10 years tops. Just it’s weird that you didn’t think of tha……oohhhhhhhhhh I see why………
Making the playoffs recently is a good enough comparison?
I was responding to the idiotic As comparison, that's the reason for comparison of playoffs.
Lone Cup due to a hot goalie...nothing more.
Do you have a point you’re trying to make or are you having a stroke? What you said made no sense at all
