Cardinals Baseball

[Ordinary Man]

Flipped to the game in top of 5th with Cards leading 3-2
The ACE(25mil) is throwing middle of plate meat to heart of Mets lineup and is removed after 4 1/3
Best Hitter on team 1b(18mil) dropped an easy double play throw and stands there looking at ball while another run scores
Manager brings in a guy who was just brought back to team after being demoted for SUCKING and proceeds to thrown more meat to Mets
Looked at the very sparse crowd on MAY FRIDAY night against the 1 place Mets…..
SAD, EMBARRASSING, AND AVOIDABLE…..

It’s very negative.

Willson dropping the ball just like ownership and Mo. They stopped feeding their golden goose and just watched it die hoping the whole time it would just magically get better on its own by some grand stroke of luck.

It magically gets better when young talented players develop into mature players.

Yeah, but it's usually for some other team.

[rockondlouie]

The Cardinals would've never had to go through a "re-set" if BDWJr had fired Mo years ago and hired competent Managers.

you said it !

BDWJr failed to repace Mo when most could see he was well past his expiration date years ago.

This failure has led the franchise to where it is today.

Never had to happen.

With competent leadership from the POBO/GM office BDWJr could still be enjoying 3+M and we could still be enjoying playoff baseball.

You failed us Bill Dewitt, Jr

I don’t always support the owner, but efforts were made by trading for Ozuna, trading for Goldy, trading for Arenado, trading for a bunch of pitchers in July, 2023, etc. I’m sure BDW had a hand in approving all of those moves. Outsiders always have such simplistic criticisms.

And failures were made giving M. Leake, D, Fowler, B. Cecil, etal terrible free agent contracts plus extensions to players like M. Mikolas, M. Carpenter, PDJ, etal.

I'm no "outsider" pal, I'm a decade plus season ticket holder meaning I have more of a stake (re: MONEY) in my opinion than a minion like you does.

[Cranny]

The Cardinals would've never had to go through a "re-set" if BDWJr had fired Mo years ago and hired competent Managers.

you said it !

BDWJr failed to repace Mo when most could see he was well past his expiration date years ago.

This failure has led the franchise to where it is today.

Never had to happen.

With competent leadership from the POBO/GM office BDWJr could still be enjoying 3+M and we could still be enjoying playoff baseball.

You failed us Bill Dewitt, Jr

I don’t always support the owner, but efforts were made by trading for Ozuna, trading for Goldy, trading for Arenado, trading for a bunch of pitchers in July, 2023, etc. I’m sure BDW had a hand in approving all of those moves. Outsiders always have such simplistic criticisms.

And failures were made giving M. Leake, D, Fowler, B. Cecil, etal terrible free agent contracts plus extensions to players like M. Mikolas, M. Carpenter, PDJ, etal.

I'm no "outsider" pal, I'm a decade plus season ticket holder meaning I have more of a stake (re: MONEY) in my opinion than a minion like you does.

Oh mercy rock, now you’re getting defensive and angry? Calling people “pal” and “minion”? I was only saying people who make sweeping negative comments aren’t perhaps as effective as those who weigh both the pluses and the minuses in a more objective manner.

[riff raff]

The Cardinals would've never had to go through a "re-set" if BDWJr had fired Mo years ago and hired competent Managers.

you said it !

BDWJr failed to repace Mo when most could see he was well past his expiration date years ago.

This failure has led the franchise to where it is today.

Never had to happen.

With competent leadership from the POBO/GM office BDWJr could still be enjoying 3+M and we could still be enjoying playoff baseball.

You failed us Bill Dewitt, Jr

I don’t always support the owner, but efforts were made by trading for Ozuna, trading for Goldy, trading for Arenado, trading for a bunch of pitchers in July, 2023, etc. I’m sure BDW had a hand in approving all of those moves. Outsiders always have such simplistic criticisms.

And failures were made giving M. Leake, D, Fowler, B. Cecil, etal terrible free agent contracts plus extensions to players like M. Mikolas, M. Carpenter, PDJ, etal.

I'm no "outsider" pal, I'm a decade plus season ticket holder meaning I have more of a stake (re: MONEY) in my opinion than a minion like you does.

you're something all right...
narcissistic comes to mind

[rockondlouie]

The Cardinals would've never had to go through a "re-set" if BDWJr had fired Mo years ago and hired competent Managers.

you said it !

BDWJr failed to repace Mo when most could see he was well past his expiration date years ago.

This failure has led the franchise to where it is today.

Never had to happen.

With competent leadership from the POBO/GM office BDWJr could still be enjoying 3+M and we could still be enjoying playoff baseball.

You failed us Bill Dewitt, Jr

I don’t always support the owner, but efforts were made by trading for Ozuna, trading for Goldy, trading for Arenado, trading for a bunch of pitchers in July, 2023, etc. I’m sure BDW had a hand in approving all of those moves. Outsiders always have such simplistic criticisms.

And failures were made giving M. Leake, D, Fowler, B. Cecil, etal terrible free agent contracts plus extensions to players like M. Mikolas, M. Carpenter, PDJ, etal.

I'm no "outsider" pal, I'm a decade plus season ticket holder meaning I have more of a stake (re: MONEY) in my opinion than a minion like you does.

Oh mercy rock, now you’re getting defensive and angry? Calling people “pal” and “minion”? I was only saying people who make sweeping negative comments aren’t perhaps as effective as those who weigh both the pluses and the minuses in a more objective manner.

Ahhh, poor cranny trying to play the fake "I'm a statesman" card when he called my OPINION "simplistic criticism".

What I stated is a FACT proven by the sorry state of the franchise and not a negative comment.

BDWJr stuck w/Mo well past the time a competent owner would've have, he failed the franchise by doing so.

Dewitt was a great owner for a long time, he's become an incompetent one and the slide of the franchise proves it.

Fortunately he's trying to rectify his failure by pushing Mo out and bringing in sharp, young baseball minds who can take the team back to Bill's early days when he hired J. Luhnow and was on top of his game.

Good move, years too late in happening as he let Mo drive his Rolls Royce over the cliff.

JMO

[Cranny]

The Cardinals would've never had to go through a "re-set" if BDWJr had fired Mo years ago and hired competent Managers.

you said it !

BDWJr failed to repace Mo when most could see he was well past his expiration date years ago.

This failure has led the franchise to where it is today.

Never had to happen.

With competent leadership from the POBO/GM office BDWJr could still be enjoying 3+M and we could still be enjoying playoff baseball.

You failed us Bill Dewitt, Jr

I don’t always support the owner, but efforts were made by trading for Ozuna, trading for Goldy, trading for Arenado, trading for a bunch of pitchers in July, 2023, etc. I’m sure BDW had a hand in approving all of those moves. Outsiders always have such simplistic criticisms.

And failures were made giving M. Leake, D, Fowler, B. Cecil, etal terrible free agent contracts plus extensions to players like M. Mikolas, M. Carpenter, PDJ, etal.

I'm no "outsider" pal, I'm a decade plus season ticket holder meaning I have more of a stake (re: MONEY) in my opinion than a minion like you does.

Oh mercy rock, now you’re getting defensive and angry? Calling people “pal” and “minion”? I was only saying people who make sweeping negative comments aren’t perhaps as effective as those who weigh both the pluses and the minuses in a more objective manner.

Ahhh, poor cranny trying to play the fake "I'm a statesman" card when he called my OPINION "simplistic criticism".

What I stated is a FACT proven by the sorry state of the franchise and not a negative comment.

BDWJr stuck w/Mo well past the time a competent owner would've have, he failed the franchise by doing so.

Dewitt was a great owner for a long time, he's become an incompetent one and the slide of the franchise proves it.

Fortunately he's trying to rectify his failure by pushing Mo out and bringing in sharp, young baseball minds who can take the team back to Bill's early days when he hired J. Luhnow and was on top of his game.

Good move, years too late in happening as he let Mo drive his Rolls Royce over the cliff.

JMO

Yes, rock, you’re an outsider. Just like I am. You and I have no idea what goes on behind the scenes. You and I have no idea what players have been asking on the FA market. And you refuse to consider all the FAs who have signed with other teams and bombed. Likewise, you and I have no idea what players have been available in the trade market, and what teams were asking in return. You criticize the Cards for all the bad moves that have been made in hindsight. And don’t mention any good moves.
You don’t consider all the bad moves other teams have made, so there’s a comparison. To you it’s all bad. And to me, that’s just one sided and opinionated. But I’m just a minion and don’t consider all those things. Got it.

[Bomber1]

The Cardinals would've never had to go through a "re-set" if BDWJr had fired Mo years ago and hired competent Managers.

you said it !

BDWJr failed to repace Mo when most could see he was well past his expiration date years ago.

This failure has led the franchise to where it is today.

Never had to happen.

With competent leadership from the POBO/GM office BDWJr could still be enjoying 3+M and we could still be enjoying playoff baseball.

You failed us Bill Dewitt, Jr

I don’t always support the owner, but efforts were made by trading for Ozuna, trading for Goldy, trading for Arenado, trading for a bunch of pitchers in July, 2023, etc. I’m sure BDW had a hand in approving all of those moves. Outsiders always have such simplistic criticisms.

And failures were made giving M. Leake, D, Fowler, B. Cecil, etal terrible free agent contracts plus extensions to players like M. Mikolas, M. Carpenter, PDJ, etal.

I'm no "outsider" pal, I'm a decade plus season ticket holder meaning I have more of a stake (re: MONEY) in my opinion than a minion like you does.

Oh mercy rock, now you’re getting defensive and angry? Calling people “pal” and “minion”? I was only saying people who make sweeping negative comments aren’t perhaps as effective as those who weigh both the pluses and the minuses in a more objective manner.

What you’re trying to say is you know best!

[Cranny]

The Cardinals would've never had to go through a "re-set" if BDWJr had fired Mo years ago and hired competent Managers.

you said it !

BDWJr failed to repace Mo when most could see he was well past his expiration date years ago.

This failure has led the franchise to where it is today.

Never had to happen.

With competent leadership from the POBO/GM office BDWJr could still be enjoying 3+M and we could still be enjoying playoff baseball.

You failed us Bill Dewitt, Jr

I don’t always support the owner, but efforts were made by trading for Ozuna, trading for Goldy, trading for Arenado, trading for a bunch of pitchers in July, 2023, etc. I’m sure BDW had a hand in approving all of those moves. Outsiders always have such simplistic criticisms.

And failures were made giving M. Leake, D, Fowler, B. Cecil, etal terrible free agent contracts plus extensions to players like M. Mikolas, M. Carpenter, PDJ, etal.

I'm no "outsider" pal, I'm a decade plus season ticket holder meaning I have more of a stake (re: MONEY) in my opinion than a minion like you does.

Oh mercy rock, now you’re getting defensive and angry? Calling people “pal” and “minion”? I was only saying people who make sweeping negative comments aren’t perhaps as effective as those who weigh both the pluses and the minuses in a more objective manner.

What you’re trying to say is you know best!

No, I don’t know much, Bomber. But I do respect those who bring faith both the pluses and the minuses in an objective manner. And don’t just negatively generalize.

[Bomber1]

The Cardinals would've never had to go through a "re-set" if BDWJr had fired Mo years ago and hired competent Managers.

you said it !

BDWJr failed to repace Mo when most could see he was well past his expiration date years ago.

This failure has led the franchise to where it is today.

Never had to happen.

With competent leadership from the POBO/GM office BDWJr could still be enjoying 3+M and we could still be enjoying playoff baseball.

You failed us Bill Dewitt, Jr

I don’t always support the owner, but efforts were made by trading for Ozuna, trading for Goldy, trading for Arenado, trading for a bunch of pitchers in July, 2023, etc. I’m sure BDW had a hand in approving all of those moves. Outsiders always have such simplistic criticisms.

And failures were made giving M. Leake, D, Fowler, B. Cecil, etal terrible free agent contracts plus extensions to players like M. Mikolas, M. Carpenter, PDJ, etal.

I'm no "outsider" pal, I'm a decade plus season ticket holder meaning I have more of a stake (re: MONEY) in my opinion than a minion like you does.

Oh mercy rock, now you’re getting defensive and angry? Calling people “pal” and “minion”? I was only saying people who make sweeping negative comments aren’t perhaps as effective as those who weigh both the pluses and the minuses in a more objective manner.

Ahhh, poor cranny trying to play the fake "I'm a statesman" card when he called my OPINION "simplistic criticism".

What I stated is a FACT proven by the sorry state of the franchise and not a negative comment.

BDWJr stuck w/Mo well past the time a competent owner would've have, he failed the franchise by doing so.

Dewitt was a great owner for a long time, he's become an incompetent one and the slide of the franchise proves it.

Fortunately he's trying to rectify his failure by pushing Mo out and bringing in sharp, young baseball minds who can take the team back to Bill's early days when he hired J. Luhnow and was on top of his game.

Good move, years too late in happening as he let Mo drive his Rolls Royce over the cliff.

JMO

Yes, rock, you’re an outsider. Just like I am. You and I have no idea what goes on behind the scenes. You and I have no idea what players have been asking on the FA market. And you refuse to consider all the FAs who have signed with other teams and bombed. Likewise, you and I have no idea what players have been available in the trade market, and what teams were asking in return. You criticize the Cards for all the bad moves that have been made in hindsight. And don’t mention any good moves.
You don’t consider all the bad moves other teams have made, so there’s a comparison. To you it’s all bad. And to me, that’s just one sided and opinionated. But I’m just a minion and don’t consider all those things. Got it.

Cranny, not one person on a Cardinal site should give a darn about “bad moves other teams have made”.

Fact: John Mozeliak still hasn’t (and won’t) signed a FA pitcher who worked out well. And Sonny Gray ($ 35 million next year) isn’t going to break that horrible streak that has lasted 10 seasons and included at least 10 pitchers.
Leake
Cecil
Matz
Mikolas
Gregerson
Holland
A. Miller

All off the top of my head.

No currently- employed GM or POBO has a track record that bad because they would have been canned once it was obvious this is a trend.

Stop defending this FO, the whole bunch have been terrible for years.

[rockondlouie]

The Cardinals would've never had to go through a "re-set" if BDWJr had fired Mo years ago and hired competent Managers.

you said it !

BDWJr failed to repace Mo when most could see he was well past his expiration date years ago.

This failure has led the franchise to where it is today.

Never had to happen.

With competent leadership from the POBO/GM office BDWJr could still be enjoying 3+M and we could still be enjoying playoff baseball.

You failed us Bill Dewitt, Jr

I don’t always support the owner, but efforts were made by trading for Ozuna, trading for Goldy, trading for Arenado, trading for a bunch of pitchers in July, 2023, etc. I’m sure BDW had a hand in approving all of those moves. Outsiders always have such simplistic criticisms.

And failures were made giving M. Leake, D, Fowler, B. Cecil, etal terrible free agent contracts plus extensions to players like M. Mikolas, M. Carpenter, PDJ, etal.

I'm no "outsider" pal, I'm a decade plus season ticket holder meaning I have more of a stake (re: MONEY) in my opinion than a minion like you does.

Oh mercy rock, now you’re getting defensive and angry? Calling people “pal” and “minion”? I was only saying people who make sweeping negative comments aren’t perhaps as effective as those who weigh both the pluses and the minuses in a more objective manner.

Ahhh, poor cranny trying to play the fake "I'm a statesman" card when he called my OPINION "simplistic criticism".

What I stated is a FACT proven by the sorry state of the franchise and not a negative comment.

BDWJr stuck w/Mo well past the time a competent owner would've have, he failed the franchise by doing so.

Dewitt was a great owner for a long time, he's become an incompetent one and the slide of the franchise proves it.

Fortunately he's trying to rectify his failure by pushing Mo out and bringing in sharp, young baseball minds who can take the team back to Bill's early days when he hired J. Luhnow and was on top of his game.

Good move, years too late in happening as he let Mo drive his Rolls Royce over the cliff.

JMO

Yes, rock, you’re an outsider. Just like I am. You and I have no idea what goes on behind the scenes. You and I have no idea what players have been asking on the FA market. And you refuse to consider all the FAs who have signed with other teams and bombed. Likewise, you and I have no idea what players have been available in the trade market, and what teams were asking in return. You criticize the Cards for all the bad moves that have been made in hindsight. And don’t mention any good moves.
You don’t consider all the bad moves other teams have made, so there’s a comparison. To you it’s all bad. And to me, that’s just one sided and opinionated. But I’m just a minion and don’t consider all those things. Got it.

No we don't, but as a season ticket holder for over a decade I do have skin in the game as one of Bill's best customers.

But anyone one w/a modicum of baseball knowledge and years of experience can see what's happened to the once great Cardinals franchise.

And you're 100% incorrect, arrogantly assuming you know what I think when you say, "You criticize the Cards for all the bad moves that have been made in hindsight. And don’t mention any good moves".

I was the one who started a thread MONTHS before anyone in the media or anywhere else suggested we trade for Goldy.....good trade.

I also had many discussions w/rbi's where we talked about going after NADO years before it happened.....good trade.

Then you idiotically state, " To you it’s all bad".

What a stupid, arrogant thing to say when I've bled Cardinals red since I was a kid growing up in the seventies.

You're a front office sycophant who makes declarative statements like the one's above w/o any knowledge whatsoever what you're talking about.

Take a nap, you need it.

[Cranny]

The Cardinals would've never had to go through a "re-set" if BDWJr had fired Mo years ago and hired competent Managers.

you said it !

BDWJr failed to repace Mo when most could see he was well past his expiration date years ago.

This failure has led the franchise to where it is today.

Never had to happen.

With competent leadership from the POBO/GM office BDWJr could still be enjoying 3+M and we could still be enjoying playoff baseball.

You failed us Bill Dewitt, Jr

I don’t always support the owner, but efforts were made by trading for Ozuna, trading for Goldy, trading for Arenado, trading for a bunch of pitchers in July, 2023, etc. I’m sure BDW had a hand in approving all of those moves. Outsiders always have such simplistic criticisms.

And failures were made giving M. Leake, D, Fowler, B. Cecil, etal terrible free agent contracts plus extensions to players like M. Mikolas, M. Carpenter, PDJ, etal.

I'm no "outsider" pal, I'm a decade plus season ticket holder meaning I have more of a stake (re: MONEY) in my opinion than a minion like you does.

Oh mercy rock, now you’re getting defensive and angry? Calling people “pal” and “minion”? I was only saying people who make sweeping negative comments aren’t perhaps as effective as those who weigh both the pluses and the minuses in a more objective manner.

Ahhh, poor cranny trying to play the fake "I'm a statesman" card when he called my OPINION "simplistic criticism".

What I stated is a FACT proven by the sorry state of the franchise and not a negative comment.

BDWJr stuck w/Mo well past the time a competent owner would've have, he failed the franchise by doing so.

Dewitt was a great owner for a long time, he's become an incompetent one and the slide of the franchise proves it.

Fortunately he's trying to rectify his failure by pushing Mo out and bringing in sharp, young baseball minds who can take the team back to Bill's early days when he hired J. Luhnow and was on top of his game.

Good move, years too late in happening as he let Mo drive his Rolls Royce over the cliff.

JMO

Yes, rock, you’re an outsider. Just like I am. You and I have no idea what goes on behind the scenes. You and I have no idea what players have been asking on the FA market. And you refuse to consider all the FAs who have signed with other teams and bombed. Likewise, you and I have no idea what players have been available in the trade market, and what teams were asking in return. You criticize the Cards for all the bad moves that have been made in hindsight. And don’t mention any good moves.
You don’t consider all the bad moves other teams have made, so there’s a comparison. To you it’s all bad. And to me, that’s just one sided and opinionated. But I’m just a minion and don’t consider all those things. Got it.

No we don't, but as a season ticket holder for over a decade I do have skin in the game as one of Bill's best customers.

But anyone one w/a modicum of baseball knowledge and years of experience can see what's happened to the once great Cardinals franchise.

And you're 100% incorrect, arrogantly assuming you know what I think when you say, "You criticize the Cards for all the bad moves that have been made in hindsight. And don’t mention any good moves".

I was the one who started a thread MONTHS before anyone in the media or anywhere else suggested we trade for Goldy.....good trade.

I also had many discussions w/rbi's where we talked about going after NADO years before it happened.....good trade.

Then you idiotically state, " To you it’s all bad".

What a stupid, arrogant thing to say when I've bled Cardinals red since I was a kid growing up in the seventies.

You're a front office sycophant who makes declarative statements like the one's above w/o any knowledge whatsoever what you're talking about.

Take a nap, you need it.

Anger never solves anything, rock. And calling another Cardinal fan a sycophant never solves anything, rock. You suggest that I take a nap? Lol. I suggest that you wake up. I’ve been a Cardinal fan for a whole lot longer than you.

[11WSChamps]

The Cardinal organization is running neck and neck with a poor Pirate franchise and markedly behind the Cubs, Brewers and Reds and that should never happen given the team's rich history and resources.

That should say all that needs to be said about the state of the team and where its headed.

[Cranny]

The Cardinal organization is running neck and neck with a poor Pirate franchise and markedly behind the Cubs, Brewers and Reds and that should never happen given the team's rich history and resources.

That should say all that needs to be said about the state of the team and where its headed.

Great detail. 11WS. Thanks for the deep insight.

[11WSChamps]

The Cardinal organization is running neck and neck with a poor Pirate franchise and markedly behind the Cubs, Brewers and Reds and that should never happen given the team's rich history and resources.

That should say all that needs to be said about the state of the team and where its headed.

Great detail. 11WS. Thanks for the deep insight.

Anytime.

Some of us actually know what they're talking about and have for years.

Sorry you missed it.

[Cranny]

The Cardinal organization is running neck and neck with a poor Pirate franchise and markedly behind the Cubs, Brewers and Reds and that should never happen given the team's rich history and resources.

That should say all that needs to be said about the state of the team and where its headed.

Great detail. 11WS. Thanks for the deep insight.

Anytime.

Some of us actually know what they're talking about and have for years.

Sorry you missed it.

Really, 11WS? CT was elated when they got Ozuna.
CT was elated when they got Goldy. CT was elated when they got Arenado. CT was elated when they got Gray. How soon some forget.

[sikeston bulldog2]

The Cardinal organization is running neck and neck with a poor Pirate franchise and markedly behind the Cubs, Brewers and Reds and that should never happen given the team's rich history and resources.

That should say all that needs to be said about the state of the team and where its headed.

Great detail. 11WS. Thanks for the deep insight.

Anytime.

Some of us actually know what they're talking about and have for years.

Sorry you missed it.

Really, 11WS? CT was elated when they got Ozuna.
CT was elated when they got Goldy. CT was elated when they got Arenado. CT was elated when they got Gray. How soon some forget.

I entered a thread and a pisssssing contest broke out. Should I stay or should I go. If I stay there will be trouble.I should be leaving on the double.
Should I stay or should I go.