What is wrong with Gorman, is it coaching , is it

[Goldfan]

his skills, is his vision not good.His potential is off the chart but his performance has not been there..Does going to a new team and playing his true position at third solve it..I think when your employer tells him , he will be playing everyday and he don't, that will tick anybody off..You be our third baseman arenado will be traded, you will be our second baseman , you will be our DH.Frustration is behind Gormans issues he's still young.He will get used to being lied to, it's life.

What is it? Baseball is hard that’s what it is

I haven’t seen NL Cards around these parts in awhile…..Kinda miss the “Baseball is Hard” explanation….

[Futuregm2]

his skills, is his vision not good.His potential is off the chart but his performance has not been there..Does going to a new team and playing his true position at third solve it..I think when your employer tells him , he will be playing everyday and he don't, that will tick anybody off..You be our third baseman arenado will be traded, you will be our second baseman , you will be our DH.Frustration is behind Gormans issues he's still young.He will get used to being lied to, it's life.

Not sure about Gorman.
I think you should ask your Wife and get back to us tomorrow.
She’s your go-to source right????? LOL

Hey now, I have no doubt that of the two of them his wife is the better baseball talent evaluator. Even if she is deflatable.

[OldRed]

his skills, is his vision not good.His potential is off the chart but his performance has not been there..Does going to a new team and playing his true position at third solve it..I think when your employer tells him , he will be playing everyday and he don't, that will tick anybody off..You be our third baseman arenado will be traded, you will be our second baseman , you will be our DH.Frustration is behind Gormans issues he's still young.He will get used to being lied to, it's life.

What is it? Baseball is hard that’s what it is

I haven’t seen NL Cards around these parts in awhile…..Kinda miss the “Baseball is Hard” explanation….

Are you talking about the guy who didn't know the difference between a mental error and a physical error? Seriously I always hope when someone doesn't post for a long time it is not a health issue.

[BrockFloodMaris]

In my opinion he was rushed and didn't develop the plate discipline. That is his main problem. Not the K's themselves but swinging at pitches out of the strike zone. He needs to watch Schwarber. He's K's yes but when on he has great plate discipline.

He's still young, has such easy power and can play anywhere on the IF but SS. Just let him play and when he gets hot don't instantly assume he's the 3 or 4 hitter. To me he's a 6 or 7 that is very dangerous until he proves he's more.

The good news is Gorman’s shown improvement in his discipline this season. His 27.5% out of the zone swing% is 6th lowest on the team and better than league average.

I am encouraged by that trend, but his K rate is no better so far this year. If his out of zone swing rate is down, but his k rate is no better, do we conclude that he is still taking too many strikes?

[Futuregm2]

In my opinion he was rushed and didn't develop the plate discipline. That is his main problem. Not the K's themselves but swinging at pitches out of the strike zone. He needs to watch Schwarber. He's K's yes but when on he has great plate discipline.

He's still young, has such easy power and can play anywhere on the IF but SS. Just let him play and when he gets hot don't instantly assume he's the 3 or 4 hitter. To me he's a 6 or 7 that is very dangerous until he proves he's more.

The good news is Gorman’s shown improvement in his discipline this season. His 27.5% out of the zone swing% is 6th lowest on the team and better than league average.

I am encouraged by that trend, but his K rate is no better so far this year. If his out of zone swing rate is down, but his k rate is no better, do we conclude that he is still taking too many strikes?

His K% is better than it has been. Maybe not there yet to where we’d like it to be, but it’s at least almost below 30%. And his walk rate is up. A lot of encouraging signs from his swing trends and his HR/FB rate is way down at only 5% vs a career 18%, while his Flyball% is up (60%) from his career norm of 49.1%. We’re still in the SSS for the season though and he spent time on the IL and hasn’t been playing everyday. I’d like to see where we are at in June with him assuming they use him in more of an everyday role.

[dirtkicker]

There may be nothing wrong with Gorman. This could just be who he is.

[Strummer Jones]

There may be nothing wrong with Gorman. This could just be who he is.

I'm beginning to think that way. Look at Russell Branyan's 2008-2010 stats. I think that's Gorman's ceiling. Those are pretty ok numbers, but they're also not numbers I'm willing to wait around for especially when we have more consistent players who play those same positions, plus potentially 1-2 guys down in the minors who could again be more consistent.

I won't deny that Gorman can carry a team when he's right. But he's equally capable of pulling a team down when he's not right.

[Futuregm2]

There may be nothing wrong with Gorman. This could just be who he is.

I'm beginning to think that way. Look at Russell Branyan's 2008-2010 stats. I think that's Gorman's ceiling. Those are pretty ok numbers, but they're also not numbers I'm willing to wait around for especially when we have more consistent players who play those same positions, plus potentially 1-2 guys down in the minors who could again be more consistent.

I won't deny that Gorman can carry a team when he's right. But he's equally capable of pulling a team down when he's not right.

Branyan’s biggest issue was health. He had a career .814 OPS/113 OPS+ basically same numbers as Gorman’s 2023 season. Branyan only had 2 seasons his entire career with a sub 100 OPS+, one of which was his very last season.

I could see him being like Chris Davis. Davis came up a good prospect with the Rangers as a 3B/1B and had early success (.880 OPS/128 OPS+ his rookie year) and then regressed over the next 3 seasons finding himself in AAA. He was traded with Tommy Hunter for a reliever, Koji Uehara. Then Davis broke out at 26 with the Orioles hitting .249/.340/.518 over 5 seasons with an average of 3.5 bWAR, 39 HRs, and 99 RBI, twice leading the league in HRs. Still he finished his career with 11.7 bWAR and 295 career HRs.

[Strummer Jones]

There may be nothing wrong with Gorman. This could just be who he is.

I'm beginning to think that way. Look at Russell Branyan's 2008-2010 stats. I think that's Gorman's ceiling. Those are pretty ok numbers, but they're also not numbers I'm willing to wait around for especially when we have more consistent players who play those same positions, plus potentially 1-2 guys down in the minors who could again be more consistent.

I won't deny that Gorman can carry a team when he's right. But he's equally capable of pulling a team down when he's not right.

Branyan’s biggest issue was health. He had a career .814 OPS/113 OPS+ basically same numbers as Gorman’s 2023 season. Branyan only had 2 seasons his entire career with a sub 100 OPS+, one of which was his very last season.

I could see him being like Chris Davis. Davis came up a good prospect with the Rangers as a 3B/1B and had early success (.880 OPS/128 OPS+ his rookie year) and then regressed over the next 3 seasons finding himself in AAA. He was traded with Tommy Hunter for a reliever, Koji Uehara. Then Davis broke out at 26 with the Orioles hitting .249/.340/.518 over 5 seasons with an average of 3.5 bWAR, 39 HRs, and 99 RBI, twice leading the league in HRs. Still he finished his career with 11.7 bWAR and 295 career HRs.

Branyan also had issues with being K-prone. Health was definitely a problem for him, too, but even in those years where he did play over 100 games (and...hooooof...you're right. That guy must've been made of porcelain. I didn't realize how bad it was) he still was a fairly low contact hitter who whiffed around 30% of the time. That's what I think Gorman is. Branyan also had similar numbers to Davis. Significantly fewer home runs (around 100 fewer) but similar WAR. Davis has about half a point on Branyan for that.

I remember some guy--not on here--comping Gorman to Shane Andrews. Maybe not career-wise, but general skillset wise. Guy could hit it a mile, but that was the key...he had to hit it first. That seems about right for Gorman.

I admit, I've not been super high on the guy. And I'm still not. All credit to him, he can absolutely carry a team, but he cannot be relied on. Because as easily as he can carry a team he can also sink a team.

[Cusecards]

his skills, is his vision not good.His potential is off the chart but his performance has not been there..Does going to a new team and playing his true position at third solve it..I think when your employer tells him , he will be playing everyday and he don't, that will tick anybody off..You be our third baseman arenado will be traded, you will be our second baseman , you will be our DH.Frustration is behind Gormans issues he's still young.He will get used to being lied to, it's life.

Not sure about Gorman.
I think you should ask your Wife and get back to us tomorrow.
She’s your go-to source right????? LOL

Hey now, I have no doubt that of the two of them his wife is the better baseball talent evaluator. Even if she is deflatable.

1) That is quite possible.
2) Thankful I DON’T have first hand knowledge of that situation!

[BrockFloodMaris]

In my opinion he was rushed and didn't develop the plate discipline. That is his main problem. Not the K's themselves but swinging at pitches out of the strike zone. He needs to watch Schwarber. He's K's yes but when on he has great plate discipline.

He's still young, has such easy power and can play anywhere on the IF but SS. Just let him play and when he gets hot don't instantly assume he's the 3 or 4 hitter. To me he's a 6 or 7 that is very dangerous until he proves he's more.

The good news is Gorman’s shown improvement in his discipline this season. His 27.5% out of the zone swing% is 6th lowest on the team and better than league average.

I am encouraged by that trend, but his K rate is no better so far this year. If his out of zone swing rate is down, but his k rate is no better, do we conclude that he is still taking too many strikes?

His K% is better than it has been. Maybe not there yet to where we’d like it to be, but it’s at least almost below 30%. And his walk rate is up. A lot of encouraging signs from his swing trends and his HR/FB rate is way down at only 5% vs a career 18%, while his Flyball% is up (60%) from his career norm of 49.1%. We’re still in the SSS for the season though and he spent time on the IL and hasn’t been playing everyday. I’d like to see where we are at in June with him assuming they use him in more of an everyday role.

One thing that scares me about the lens through which we look at NG is that the Cards don't currently have a true thumper on the team. We all want NG to be that guy so badly, we might be willing to look past his many poor tendencies.

[MIDMOBIRDTWO]

Chases a lor of low pitches way out of the zone. Must not be ab le to pick up the spin on the ball. Can't lay off the sliders out of the zone.

[nighthawk]

He appears to be the second coming of Patrick Wisdom if you like that type of player.

[russellhammond]

He appears to be the second coming of Patrick Wisdom if you like that type of player.

You'd better watch out....I've been saying that for years....he's a left-handed Wisdom. And boy do I catch hell for it.

As for what's wrong with Gorman....he's just not a very good hitter.

[Rojo Johnson]

It's not Gorman. It's the willfully delusional and their expectations. You know, the kind that believe he's reminiscent of Eddie Matthews because he he hit a double. They need attention and sheer idiocy is a reliable way to get it.

Like the poster who repeatedly called him a "Unicorn".

Maybe that nickname s/b changed to Unibomber?

[blackinkbiz]

I haven’t seen NL Cards around these parts in awhile…..Kinda miss the “Baseball is Hard” explanation….

Hahaha! I forgot about that guy. The true mouthpiece of the FO. Maybe Dewitt has gone full-cheap mode and NLCards paycheck was gutted like the rest of the budget.