I'd consider trading off desirable players.

[Alex Reyes Cy Young]

Noots, Donovan's, really anyone who's clock has started and has years on them.

ST. LOUIS, MO., July 30, 2023 – The St. Louis Cardinals announced this afternoon that they have acquired minor league right-handed pitcher Tekoah Roby, left-handed pitcher John King and infielder Thomas Saggese from the Texas Rangers in exchange for pitchers Jordan Montgomery and Chris Stratton and International Signing Bonus Pool space.

I'd like to see more of these in the not so distant future.

In-turn the vets would be more apt to waive their NTC's.

Clean house give Chaim a blank canvas to work with.

[imadangman]

Oh you cocksugger in what realm is it advisable to trade Donovan or Nootbaar. Everyone knows Helsley, Fedde, Arenado etc will be on the block. But this is not a total punt job, I don't think that's what Bloom is expecting by a "clean slate."

[Alex Reyes Cy Young]

Oh you cocksugger in what realm is it advisable to trade Donovan or Nootbaar. Everyone knows Helsley, Fedde, Arenado etc will be on the block. But this is not a total punt job, I don't think that's what Bloom is expecting by a "clean slate."

If you say so champ.

[Absolut]

Donovan and nootbaar both clipping along at 400 obp. They are about the only thing right with this offense.

[renostl]

Noots, Donovan's, really anyone who's clock has started and has years on them.

ST. LOUIS, MO., July 30, 2023 – The St. Louis Cardinals announced this afternoon that they have acquired minor league right-handed pitcher Tekoah Roby, left-handed pitcher John King and infielder Thomas Saggese from the Texas Rangers in exchange for pitchers Jordan Montgomery and Chris Stratton and International Signing Bonus Pool space.

I'd like to see more of these in the not so distant future.

In-turn the vets would be more apt to waive their NTC's.

Clean house give Chaim a blank canvas to work with.

Maybe
Always depends on the return. As you
would agree.

Some sense to this IF BD is a future OFer/UT guy. then move 1 not both, IMO.

As to the NTC's, if the current pace of losing isn't enough motivation to wave their NTC not sure what would. Actually of the NTC's Gray is the one most beneficial is he changed his mind.

[JuanAgosto]

I'd consider firing oli and tar & feathering Mo.

[cardstatman]

Should have traded Fedde and Helsley and Burleson during the offseason.

Shockingly, their value has gone down.

Burleson is just helping us lose more.
Fedde is striking out 4.7 per 9 IP and walking 4.4 per 9 IP.
Helsley has no control and what good is a closer if there are no games to save?

[Red Bird Classic]

Noots, Donovan's, really anyone who's clock has started and has years on them.

ST. LOUIS, MO., July 30, 2023 – The St. Louis Cardinals announced this afternoon that they have acquired minor league right-handed pitcher Tekoah Roby, left-handed pitcher John King and infielder Thomas Saggese from the Texas Rangers in exchange for pitchers Jordan Montgomery and Chris Stratton and International Signing Bonus Pool space.

I'd like to see more of these in the not so distant future.

In-turn the vets would be more apt to waive their NTC's.

Clean house give Chaim a blank canvas to work with.

If the return is similar to Roby, Saggese, and King, I'd be all for it. But let's not have another Edman for Feddie deal. That deal never made any sense at all.

[BrockFloodMaris]

Oh you cocksugger in what realm is it advisable to trade Donovan or Nootbaar. Everyone knows Helsley, Fedde, Arenado etc will be on the block. But this is not a total punt job, I don't think that's what Bloom is expecting by a "clean slate."

Ok, but how about infielders. We have a logjam of them. Not outfielders.

[The Nard]

Just like the saying “buy low, sell high “, successful baseball maxim is the sell from your surplus, and buy (trade) to fill holes. You have to have a vision of which infielders will be your cornerstones over the next few seasons

[ramfandan]

Noots, Donovan's, really anyone who's clock has started and has years on them.

ST. LOUIS, MO., July 30, 2023 – The St. Louis Cardinals announced this afternoon that they have acquired minor league right-handed pitcher Tekoah Roby, left-handed pitcher John King and infielder Thomas Saggese from the Texas Rangers in exchange for pitchers Jordan Montgomery and Chris Stratton and International Signing Bonus Pool space.

I'd like to see more of these in the not so distant future.

In-turn the vets would be more apt to waive their NTC's.

Clean house give Chaim a blank canvas to work with.

The canvas would be blank all right. Wondering if you would go to games in 2026 to watch all the new no-name kids playing ?

[Futuregm2]

Noots, Donovan's, really anyone who's clock has started and has years on them.

ST. LOUIS, MO., July 30, 2023 – The St. Louis Cardinals announced this afternoon that they have acquired minor league right-handed pitcher Tekoah Roby, left-handed pitcher John King and infielder Thomas Saggese from the Texas Rangers in exchange for pitchers Jordan Montgomery and Chris Stratton and International Signing Bonus Pool space.

I'd like to see more of these in the not so distant future.

In-turn the vets would be more apt to waive their NTC's.

Clean house give Chaim a blank canvas to work with.

If the return is similar to Roby, Saggese, and King, I'd be all for it. But let's not have another Edman for Feddie deal. That deal never made any sense at all.

If we’re dealing Donovan or Noot I would expect a better return than Roby/Saggese/King. I would take that kind of return for a Fedde or even Helsley though.

[Talkin' Baseball]

Noots, Donovan's, really anyone who's clock has started and has years on them.

ST. LOUIS, MO., July 30, 2023 – The St. Louis Cardinals announced this afternoon that they have acquired minor league right-handed pitcher Tekoah Roby, left-handed pitcher John King and infielder Thomas Saggese from the Texas Rangers in exchange for pitchers Jordan Montgomery and Chris Stratton and International Signing Bonus Pool space.

I'd like to see more of these in the not so distant future.

In-turn the vets would be more apt to waive their NTC's.

Clean house give Chaim a blank canvas to work with.

Maybe
Always depends on the return. As you
would agree.

Some sense to this IF BD is a future OFer/UT guy. then move 1 not both, IMO.

As to the NTC's, if the current pace of losing isn't enough motivation to wave their NTC not sure what would. Actually of the NTC's Gray is the one most beneficial is he changed his mind.

We should be willing to trade players with control left if the return warrants it. We should not completely start over. For example: I would not want to trade Nootbaar and Donovan. I am not anxious to trade either one of them, but they (along with Winn) have some of the highest trade values on the team. In another thread (Execute The Plan) i suggested Eury Perez of the Marlins as a good target. Would I trade Nootbaar for him? In a heartbeat. Perez is the true #1 pitcher that we can't draft, develop, or trade for. I like Nootbaar, but I would be willing to let Donovan play LF for a time, or try to move Herrera there, or see about Chase Davis, or try someone we might trade for at the deadline, or sign someone presentable in the offseason, or, or, or... The point is the trade (as an example) answers a question not easliy answered and creates a hole that can probably be dealt with.

Others I would be willing to move are Burleson, Gorman, or one of the catchers. Trading these players isn't just a dump- they have to be for meaningful return that address issues. Most controversially (I'm not even sold on the idea yet), I might be willing to trade Tink Hence to a team that views him as a potential high-end starting pitcher. I like him a lot and think he will be a good major league pitcher- I'm just starting to think his ceiling may be as a closer. He can't stay healthy and isn't building innings in a way that could let him be part of a major league rotation. Still valuable, but not as valuable as a starting pitcher.

[renostl]

Noots, Donovan's, really anyone who's clock has started and has years on them.

ST. LOUIS, MO., July 30, 2023 – The St. Louis Cardinals announced this afternoon that they have acquired minor league right-handed pitcher Tekoah Roby, left-handed pitcher John King and infielder Thomas Saggese from the Texas Rangers in exchange for pitchers Jordan Montgomery and Chris Stratton and International Signing Bonus Pool space.

I'd like to see more of these in the not so distant future.

In-turn the vets would be more apt to waive their NTC's.

Clean house give Chaim a blank canvas to work with.

Maybe
Always depends on the return. As you
would agree.

Some sense to this IF BD is a future OFer/UT guy. then move 1 not both, IMO.

As to the NTC's, if the current pace of losing isn't enough motivation to wave their NTC not sure what would. Actually of the NTC's Gray is the one most beneficial is he changed his mind.

We should be willing to trade players with control left if the return warrants it. We should not completely start over. For example: I would not want to trade Nootbaar and Donovan. I am not anxious to trade either one of them, but they (along with Winn) have some of the highest trade values on the team. In another thread (Execute The Plan) i suggested Eury Perez of the Marlins as a good target. Would I trade Nootbaar for him? In a heartbeat. Perez is the true #1 pitcher that we can't draft, develop, or trade for. I like Nootbaar, but I would be willing to let Donovan play LF for a time, or try to move Herrera there, or see about Chase Davis, or try someone we might trade for at the deadline, or sign someone presentable in the offseason, or, or, or... The point is the trade (as an example) answers a question not easliy answered and creates a hole that can probably be dealt with.

Others I would be willing to move are Burleson, Gorman, or one of the catchers. Trading these players isn't just a dump- they have to be for meaningful return that address issues. Most controversially (I'm not even sold on the idea yet), I might be willing to trade Tink Hence to a team that views him as a potential high-end starting pitcher. I like him a lot and think he will be a good major league pitcher- I'm just starting to think his ceiling may be as a closer. He can't stay healthy and isn't building innings in a way that could let him be part of a major league rotation. Still valuable, but not as valuable as a starting pitcher.

I respect the view we may just have different names that we'd deal.
I'd caution that OF has been easy to cover for the Cards and I'd want to keep
players that have shown capable of hitting at the MLB. Donovan Scott and Walker
sound weak to me. Cards or any team expecting too many prospects to produce
at the same time are being unrealistic and not competing. The flaw in rebuilds.

Perez is a great target. Not sure why they'd deal him anytime soon but if they did
I'd be pushing our redundancies and a prospect or 2-3.
Walker, Crooks, Roby or a 2B?

[JDW]

Should have traded Fedde and Helsley and Burleson during the offseason.

Shockingly, their value has gone down.

Burleson is just helping us lose more.
Fedde is striking out 4.7 per 9 IP and walking 4.4 per 9 IP.
Helsley has no control and what good is a closer if there are no games to save?

This ^, as the downside risk with their trade values was much higher than any possible little uptick in upside.
Add Arenado to the list of players to trade before the deadline and KEEP Noot and Donovan, as they are currently among the Cards best players and are still on the younger side.
Don't think the Cards would consider trading Walker yet, but ................. tough one.

[Talkin' Baseball]

Noots, Donovan's, really anyone who's clock has started and has years on them.

ST. LOUIS, MO., July 30, 2023 – The St. Louis Cardinals announced this afternoon that they have acquired minor league right-handed pitcher Tekoah Roby, left-handed pitcher John King and infielder Thomas Saggese from the Texas Rangers in exchange for pitchers Jordan Montgomery and Chris Stratton and International Signing Bonus Pool space.

I'd like to see more of these in the not so distant future.

In-turn the vets would be more apt to waive their NTC's.

Clean house give Chaim a blank canvas to work with.

Maybe
Always depends on the return. As you
would agree.

Some sense to this IF BD is a future OFer/UT guy. then move 1 not both, IMO.

As to the NTC's, if the current pace of losing isn't enough motivation to wave their NTC not sure what would. Actually of the NTC's Gray is the one most beneficial is he changed his mind.

We should be willing to trade players with control left if the return warrants it. We should not completely start over. For example: I would not want to trade Nootbaar and Donovan. I am not anxious to trade either one of them, but they (along with Winn) have some of the highest trade values on the team. In another thread (Execute The Plan) i suggested Eury Perez of the Marlins as a good target. Would I trade Nootbaar for him? In a heartbeat. Perez is the true #1 pitcher that we can't draft, develop, or trade for. I like Nootbaar, but I would be willing to let Donovan play LF for a time, or try to move Herrera there, or see about Chase Davis, or try someone we might trade for at the deadline, or sign someone presentable in the offseason, or, or, or... The point is the trade (as an example) answers a question not easliy answered and creates a hole that can probably be dealt with.

Others I would be willing to move are Burleson, Gorman, or one of the catchers. Trading these players isn't just a dump- they have to be for meaningful return that address issues. Most controversially (I'm not even sold on the idea yet), I might be willing to trade Tink Hence to a team that views him as a potential high-end starting pitcher. I like him a lot and think he will be a good major league pitcher- I'm just starting to think his ceiling may be as a closer. He can't stay healthy and isn't building innings in a way that could let him be part of a major league rotation. Still valuable, but not as valuable as a starting pitcher.

I respect the view we may just have different names that we'd deal.
I'd caution that OF has been easy to cover for the Cards and I'd want to keep
players that have shown capable of hitting at the MLB. Donovan Scott and Walker
sound weak to me. Cards or any team expecting too many prospects to produce
at the same time are being unrealistic and not competing. The flaw in rebuilds.

Perez is a great target. Not sure why they'd deal him anytime soon but if they did
I'd be pushing our redundancies and a prospect or 2-3.
Walker, Crooks, Roby or a 2B?

On Baseball Trade Values Nootbaar is practically equal in value to Perez. The package I had suggested that was also nearly equal in value was Burleson, Gorman, Crooks, and Graceffo. Why they might do that is they would get 3 players who could probably start and be everyday players for them.