Cards are following the Rams escape plan

[RamFan08NY]

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Either way they are no longer a major league team. Can’t win with only young kids who don’t know how to play baseball. And if you’re not going to pay for quality players they are the new Pirates.

It's not baseball of years past. There's going to be about 15-20 "new Pirates". Sad, but true.

[Bomber1]

Any team starting Mikolas is trying to lose games.

Mix in a few lousy vets with unproven, mediocre youth. Not a complete tank but not trying to win either.
Drive away the fans so it's a soft exit.
They will move out of St Louis in the next 5 years.

No they won’t.

[-ocaj]

Any team starting Mikolas is trying to lose games.

Mix in a few lousy vets with unproven, mediocre youth. Not a complete tank but not trying to win either.
Drive away the fans so it's a soft exit.
They will move out of St Louis in the next 5 years.

No they won’t.

Not 5. More like 25.

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Any team starting Mikolas is trying to lose games.

Mix in a few lousy vets with unproven, mediocre youth. Not a complete tank but not trying to win either.
Drive away the fans so it's a soft exit.
They will move out of St Louis in the next 5 years.

No, they're not. Way too much money invested in BPV for one. (DeWitt is even making money on Blues fans and others there year-round.) And no way to find a better baseball town than this one.

[JuanAgosto]

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Either way they are no longer a major league team. Can’t win with only young kids who don’t know how to play baseball. And if you’re not going to pay for quality players they are the new Pirates.

It's not baseball of years past. There's going to be about 15-20 "new Pirates". Sad, but true.

Sadly, I think you are correct. MLB has allowed this by not instituting a salary cap. They've let owners with extremely large pockets create super teams. Very few will be legitimate WS contenders. A few more will be WC contenders. The majority will be around to play the regular season each year.

[earp]

Any team starting Mikolas is trying to lose games.

Mix in a few lousy vets with unproven, mediocre youth. Not a complete tank but not trying to win either.
Drive away the fans so it's a soft exit.
They will move out of St Louis in the next 5 years.

The Rams moved out of St. Louis and back to Los Angeles in 2016 due to several factors. The primary reason was dissatisfaction with the stadium situation in St. Louis. The Rams had a lease agreement that required their stadium to be among the top 25% in the NFL by 2015, but this condition wasn't met. Although Missouri proposed a $1.1 billion open-air stadium, Rams owner Stan Kroenke was not satisfied and took the matter to arbitration, which allowed the team to break their lease1.

Additionally, Kroenke cited economic challenges in St. Louis and filed a relocation application that included criticisms of the city's ability to support an NFL team. The move was approved by NFL owners with a 30-2 vote, but it came with a hefty $550 million relocation fee1. The Rams' departure left many St. Louis fans feeling betrayed.

[CCard]

Any team starting Mikolas is trying to lose games.

Mix in a few lousy vets with unproven, mediocre youth. Not a complete tank but not trying to win either.
Drive away the fans so it's a soft exit.
They will move out of St Louis in the next 5 years.

If they do then I'm done with baseball. The Dodgers have already stained the game with their ridiculous unrepentant spending, if the Cards move then I'm done. Since the Rams moved I've watched maybe 2 or 3 superbowls and no regular season games for any team. Some people of course will follow anyway, but I ain't one of them.

[Monsieur De Treville]

Does anyone seriously think Cardinal ownership has a "plan"? It's fairly evident they wouldn't know a "plan" if handed one by General Patton.

[Goldfan]

BDW and III are Cincy guys. BDW spent most of his adult professional life there…..raised III there with III not coming to St. Louis until daddy bought the Cardinals. If they see hope, promise, and large tax incentives in Nashville……

[Bomber1]

BDW and III are Cincy guys. BDW spent most of his adult professional life there…..raised III there with III not coming to St. Louis until daddy bought the Cardinals. If they see hope, promise, and large tax incentives in Nashville……

No matter what “they see” in Nashville, the St. Louis Cardinals are not moving there.

Certainly not with the ridiculously bad attendance in Tampa, Miami, and Oakland (or wherever that joke organization plays).

One of those teams is possible, or even an expansion team although baseball needs contraction not expansion.

[Goldfan]

BDW and III are Cincy guys. BDW spent most of his adult professional life there…..raised III there with III not coming to St. Louis until daddy bought the Cardinals. If they see hope, promise, and large tax incentives in Nashville……

No matter what “they see” in Nashville, the St. Louis Cardinals are not moving there.

Certainly not with the ridiculously bad attendance in Tampa, Miami, and Oakland (or wherever that joke organization plays).

One of those teams is possible, or even an expansion team although baseball needs contraction not expansion.

Certainly has a Kroenke like stench to it

[Monsieur De Treville]

BDW and III are Cincy guys. BDW spent most of his adult professional life there…..raised III there with III not coming to St. Louis until daddy bought the Cardinals. If they see hope, promise, and large tax incentives in Nashville……

Ridiculous.

BDW III went to both Harvard & Yale and then moved to St Louis while in his 20's. He's lived almost all of his adult life in St Louis and has a wife and children who call St. Louis home.

But the Cards aren't going anywhere. Everyone knows what they have here...put a competitive team on the field and attendance is one of the top 2 or 3 in baseball. Go to Nashville? Sure. And who can guarantee they'll be a superior market than St. Louis? Actually, it's quite doubtful.

Other things to consider....the DeWitt's have invested hundreds of millions in Busch III and BP Village. Do you really believe they'll just walk away from that investment? And do you think MLB will just let them leave one of the top markets in baseball over the past 30 years for an untested, unproven market?

Might as well suggest the Cowboys leaving Dallas or the Celtics leaving Boston. It's not going to happen. Certainly not in our lifetimes.

[Goldfan]

BDW and III are Cincy guys. BDW spent most of his adult professional life there…..raised III there with III not coming to St. Louis until daddy bought the Cardinals. If they see hope, promise, and large tax incentives in Nashville……

Ridiculous.

BDW III went to both Harvard & Yale and then moved to St Louis while in his 20's. He's lived almost all of his adult life in St Louis and has a wife and children who call St. Louis home.

But the Cards aren't going anywhere. Everyone knows what they have here...put a competitive team on the field and attendance is one of the top 2 or 3 in baseball. Go to Nashville? Sure. And who can guarantee they'll be a superior market than St. Louis? Actually, it's quite doubtful.

Other things to consider....the DeWitt's have invested hundreds of millions in Busch III and BP Village. Do you really believe they'll just walk away from that investment? And do you think MLB will just let them leave one of the top markets in baseball over the past 30 years for an untested, unproven market?

Might as well suggest the Cowboys leaving Dallas or the Celtics leaving Boston. It's not going to happen. Certainly not in our lifetimes.

BDW was part owner of the Reds in ‘66 with his investment firm based in Cincy, which is where he lived and where his children grew up. It’s also been listed as his main residence. He didn’t move back to Stl until he bought the Cards.

[Goldfan]

BDW and III are Cincy guys. BDW spent most of his adult professional life there…..raised III there with III not coming to St. Louis until daddy bought the Cardinals. If they see hope, promise, and large tax incentives in Nashville……

Ridiculous.

BDW III went to both Harvard & Yale and then moved to St Louis while in his 20's. He's lived almost all of his adult life in St Louis and has a wife and children who call St. Louis home.

But the Cards aren't going anywhere. Everyone knows what they have here...put a competitive team on the field and attendance is one of the top 2 or 3 in baseball. Go to Nashville? Sure. And who can guarantee they'll be a superior market than St. Louis? Actually, it's quite doubtful.

Other things to consider....the DeWitt's have invested hundreds of millions in Busch III and BP Village. Do you really believe they'll just walk away from that investment? And do you think MLB will just let them leave one of the top markets in baseball over the past 30 years for an untested, unproven market?

Might as well suggest the Cowboys leaving Dallas or the Celtics leaving Boston. It's not going to happen. Certainly not in our lifetimes.

BDW was part owner of the Reds in ‘66 with his investment firm based in Cincy, which is where he lived and where his children grew up. It’s also been listed as his main residence. He didn’t move back to Stl until he bought the Cards.

“On January 23, 1996 DeWitt’s ownership group filed a Certificate of Limited Partnership with the State of Missouri, with the legal name of St. Louis Cardinals L.P. William O. DeWitt Jr. was listed as Chairman and Chief Executive Officer and Fred Hanser as Registered Agent.620 Cardinals president Mark Lamping would report to Hanser.621 DeWitt would continue to live in Cincinnati and commute to St. Louis as necessary.622”

[Cranny]

BDW and III are Cincy guys. BDW spent most of his adult professional life there…..raised III there with III not coming to St. Louis until daddy bought the Cardinals. If they see hope, promise, and large tax incentives in Nashville……

Ridiculous.

BDW III went to both Harvard & Yale and then moved to St Louis while in his 20's. He's lived almost all of his adult life in St Louis and has a wife and children who call St. Louis home.

But the Cards aren't going anywhere. Everyone knows what they have here...put a competitive team on the field and attendance is one of the top 2 or 3 in baseball. Go to Nashville? Sure. And who can guarantee they'll be a superior market than St. Louis? Actually, it's quite doubtful.

Other things to consider....the DeWitt's have invested hundreds of millions in Busch III and BP Village. Do you really believe they'll just walk away from that investment? And do you think MLB will just let them leave one of the top markets in baseball over the past 30 years for an untested, unproven market?

Might as well suggest the Cowboys leaving Dallas or the Celtics leaving Boston. It's not going to happen. Certainly not in our lifetimes.

BDW was part owner of the Reds in ‘66 with his investment firm based in Cincy, which is where he lived and where his children grew up. It’s also been listed as his main residence. He didn’t move back to Stl until he bought the Cards.

“On January 23, 1996 DeWitt’s ownership group filed a Certificate of Limited Partnership with the State of Missouri, with the legal name of St. Louis Cardinals L.P. William O. DeWitt Jr. was listed as Chairman and Chief Executive Officer and Fred Hanser as Registered Agent.620 Cardinals president Mark Lamping would report to Hanser.621 DeWitt would continue to live in Cincinnati and commute to St. Louis as necessary.622”

For many years, BDW owned houses in both Cincy and St. Louis. Recently, he sold his house in St. Louis.

[12xu]

Any team starting Mikolas is trying to lose games.

Mix in a few lousy vets with unproven, mediocre youth. Not a complete tank but not trying to win either.
Drive away the fans so it's a soft exit.
They will move out of St Louis in the next 5 years.

The Rams moved out of St. Louis and back to Los Angeles in 2016 due to several factors. The primary reason was dissatisfaction with the stadium situation in St. Louis. The Rams had a lease agreement that required their stadium to be among the top 25% in the NFL by 2015, but this condition wasn't met. Although Missouri proposed a $1.1 billion open-air stadium, Rams owner Stan Kroenke was not satisfied and took the matter to arbitration, which allowed the team to break their lease1.

Additionally, Kroenke cited economic challenges in St. Louis and filed a relocation application that included criticisms of the city's ability to support an NFL team. The move was approved by NFL owners with a 30-2 vote, but it came with a hefty $550 million relocation fee1. The Rams' departure left many St. Louis fans feeling betrayed.

The primary reason the Rams went back to LA was because the NFL never wanted them to move to St. Louis. After Georgia Frontiere died and Kroenke later became the majority owner, it was a done deal that he would move them back to LA.