Farm Reliant dEwitt: Dude, IF YOU WANT TO BE A BIG DOG, THEN SPEND BIG DOG DOLLARS!

[Cranny]

Those who don’t understand the revenue streams of MLB teams should probably excuse themselves from these type of discussions.

OR

You spend money to build a business or field a team that people want to pay for.

It took Amazon approximately nine years, specifically until 2003, to turn a full-year profit after its founding in 1994 eyt they spent BILLIONS building the business.

Amazon market is potentially every American. The Cardinals touch a group of baseball fans in several contiguous states. As a matter of fact, probably a minority of people who live in those several states are baseball or Cardinal fans.

Excuses, excuses

And you couldn't be more wrong, the MAJORITY of those baseball fans in those states have been Cardinals fans for generations.

The Cardinals draw from one of the widest, if not the widest, fan bases (re: states) in all of MLB which is why they drew 3.2+M for decades when BDWJr was interested and invested in good players & Managers.

But feel free to keep making excuses.

Actually, rock, as I was saying, the majority of people who live in these states are probably not baseball or Cardinal fans.
They're involved in many other things.

[renostl]

Those who don’t understand the revenue streams of MLB teams should probably excuse themselves from these type of discussions.

This isn't that binary of a discussion with ALL people though. There are opinions here that are not
suggesting being the Mets vs being Pittsburgh.

Revenue streams are affected by geography but not controlled. A better product can increase them for instance
as well as improving the access to their product.

In 2019 the St. Louis Cardinals spent $178 million at years end 40 man and were
at $197 million for the CB Tax. That's 2019 dollars in the exact same geography. Losing revenue is partly on them. Their fail.
They should be able to keep up with their own 2019 or todays say Arizona. IF not specifically why can't a nationwide brand like the Cardinals not able to keep up with
the Diamondbacks?

That’s very true, renostl. I seriously wonder if they anticipate a loss in media revenue and a possible work stoppage. Not making excuses, just wondering.

Then we get into them not anticipating and their margins. We can take that in full spectrum. Negatively, positive, or somewhere
in between.

I will not change their budget. So this topic crosses a line for myself. Don't like it move on. At the same time the FO crosses the line
when not trying due to budget, sells it as a reset, still wants my money, takes it for granted, and pees on my back
and tells me its raining. There's a contract being broken here between two parties.

I should expect them to spend enough though to provide a winning team. Not necessarily the biggest spenders.
This season they closed the door to business when NA declined movement. Trades could still have happened. Holes potentially
filled. I'm not negative to where they are. They are totally fixable inside of a reasonable budget.
Kyle Tucker or like is doable in 2026, yet we have some certainty from past record they will not participate and yet
that changes where the team is. Harper was doable. He may have still signed in Philly but it shouldn't have been because of
the Cardinals were not even in the hunt.

I do find minimal spending as wrong in sports. I find a team full of minimum wage players as insincere to providing the product
towards being competitive in sports. Tanking shouldn't be rewarded. Pitt, Oakland great geography by the way should lose
they're ownerships after this much time. The Cardinals have 4 players making money. Matz is a moderate spend. That drops in 2026.

Two points, spend enough or trade enough to provide an attraction. This current team didn't. They dropped the ball in the pen knowingly.
We don't go to poorly produced movies. Two, don't take peoples money and support for granted. IF you've anticipated wrong then maybe invade
your profit margin a bit to overcome SOME of that to provide what you're in the business of. Competition and entertainment.

You're not all wrong here Cranny. They don't have LAD, NYM, NYY revenue period. IF they can't keep up with
AZ though then they may be doing something wrong, and we should be able to be critical.

They might have been reluctant to make any moves in this off season because they want to give Bloom as clean a slate as possible to work with going forward.

I can respect that and your revenue take to an extent as you can surmise.

When this viewpoint is taken however, I do wonder where Bloom is now.
Why not work together vs losing a year.

[rockondlouie]

Those who don’t understand the revenue streams of MLB teams should probably excuse themselves from these type of discussions.

OR

You spend money to build a business or field a team that people want to pay for.

It took Amazon approximately nine years, specifically until 2003, to turn a full-year profit after its founding in 1994 eyt they spent BILLIONS building the business.

Amazon market is potentially every American. The Cardinals touch a group of baseball fans in several contiguous states. As a matter of fact, probably a minority of people who live in those several states are baseball or Cardinal fans.

Excuses, excuses

And you couldn't be more wrong, the MAJORITY of those baseball fans in those states have been Cardinals fans for generations.

The Cardinals draw from one of the widest, if not the widest, fan bases (re: states) in all of MLB which is why they drew 3.2+M for decades when BDWJr was interested and invested in good players & Managers.

But feel free to keep making excuses.

Actually, rock, as I was saying, the majority of people who live in these states are probably not baseball or Cardinal fans.
They're involved in many other things.

The Cardinals are a regional franchise, that base to draw from plus the franchises long history of success (and the booming KMOX) is why they were able to draw 3M for many decades, 3.2+M when BDWJr was interested and invested in quality players and a Manager.

Those days are gone, so are the 3.2+M unless he lets C, Bloom hire (and pay) for a quality manager while giving him the same $175+M payroll he allowed Mo to squander for too many years.

[Cranny]

Those who don’t understand the revenue streams of MLB teams should probably excuse themselves from these type of discussions.

This isn't that binary of a discussion with ALL people though. There are opinions here that are not
suggesting being the Mets vs being Pittsburgh.

Revenue streams are affected by geography but not controlled. A better product can increase them for instance
as well as improving the access to their product.

In 2019 the St. Louis Cardinals spent $178 million at years end 40 man and were
at $197 million for the CB Tax. That's 2019 dollars in the exact same geography. Losing revenue is partly on them. Their fail.
They should be able to keep up with their own 2019 or todays say Arizona. IF not specifically why can't a nationwide brand like the Cardinals not able to keep up with
the Diamondbacks?

That’s very true, renostl. I seriously wonder if they anticipate a loss in media revenue and a possible work stoppage. Not making excuses, just wondering.

Then we get into them not anticipating and their margins. We can take that in full spectrum. Negatively, positive, or somewhere
in between.

I will not change their budget. So this topic crosses a line for myself. Don't like it move on. At the same time the FO crosses the line
when not trying due to budget, sells it as a reset, still wants my money, takes it for granted, and pees on my back
and tells me its raining. There's a contract being broken here between two parties.

I should expect them to spend enough though to provide a winning team. Not necessarily the biggest spenders.
This season they closed the door to business when NA declined movement. Trades could still have happened. Holes potentially
filled. I'm not negative to where they are. They are totally fixable inside of a reasonable budget.
Kyle Tucker or like is doable in 2026, yet we have some certainty from past record they will not participate and yet
that changes where the team is. Harper was doable. He may have still signed in Philly but it shouldn't have been because of
the Cardinals were not even in the hunt.

I do find minimal spending as wrong in sports. I find a team full of minimum wage players as insincere to providing the product
towards being competitive in sports. Tanking shouldn't be rewarded. Pitt, Oakland great geography by the way should lose
they're ownerships after this much time. The Cardinals have 4 players making money. Matz is a moderate spend. That drops in 2026.

Two points, spend enough or trade enough to provide an attraction. This current team didn't. They dropped the ball in the pen knowingly.
We don't go to poorly produced movies. Two, don't take peoples money and support for granted. IF you've anticipated wrong then maybe invade
your profit margin a bit to overcome SOME of that to provide what you're in the business of. Competition and entertainment.

You're not all wrong here Cranny. They don't have LAD, NYM, NYY revenue period. IF they can't keep up with
AZ though then they may be doing something wrong, and we should be able to be critical.

They might have been reluctant to make any moves in this off season because they want to give Bloom as clean a slate as possible to work with going forward.

I can respect that and your revenue take to an extent as you can surmise.

When this viewpoint is taken however, I do wonder where Bloom is now.
Why not work together vs losing a year.

I believe Bloom is spending the majority of his time with Cerfolio right now, strengthening the pipeline. Lots of work to be done there before taking on the POBO reins.

[renostl]

I can respect that and your revenue take to an extent as you can surmise.

When this viewpoint is taken however, I do wonder where Bloom is now.
Why not work together vs losing a year.

I believe Bloom is spending the majority of his time with Cerfolio right now, strengthening the pipeline. Lots of work to be done there before taking on the POBO reins.

24/7.

A couple hours here or there about roster adjustments should
be possible, IMO.

[Cranny]

I can respect that and your revenue take to an extent as you can surmise.

When this viewpoint is taken however, I do wonder where Bloom is now.
Why not work together vs losing a year.

I believe Bloom is spending the majority of his time with Cerfolio right now, strengthening the pipeline. Lots of work to be done there before taking on the POBO reins.

24/7.

A couple hours here or there about roster adjustments should
be possible, IMO.

Some companies are successful with the silo style.
Keeps people from getting into each other’s hair.

[AZ_Cardsfan]

Underutilization of free agency.
That's how we got here in this predicament.
Cheapness personified.
Then blames "business model"
Doosh comes to mind.

Here's a quote
"If you want to be a big dog, better spend big dog dollars"
There I said it again, but more controllably.

Simple answer. Why don't you offer to give them $50 million per year to utilize that free agency market every year so they can run with the big dogs?

[Bully4you]

Underutilization of free agency.
That's how we got here in this predicament.
Cheapness personified.
Then blames "business model"
Doosh comes to mind.

Here's a quote
"If you want to be a big dog, better spend big dog dollars"
There I said it again, but more controllably.

Simple answer. Why don't you offer to give them $50 million per year to utilize that free agency market every year so they can run with the big dogs?

We need an owner that is willing to accept
ST monetary losses for LT future success.
Many owners do that.
dEwitt has multiple billions.
If I had multiple billions, I'd be more
than willing to eat $30-50M for a few of
the seasons.
Team appreciation and other endeavors would
cover the loss.

[AZ_Cardsfan]

Underutilization of free agency.
That's how we got here in this predicament.
Cheapness personified.
Then blames "business model"
Doosh comes to mind.

Here's a quote
"If you want to be a big dog, better spend big dog dollars"
There I said it again, but more controllably.

Simple answer. Why don't you offer to give them $50 million per year to utilize that free agency market every year so they can run with the big dogs?

We need an owner that is willing to accept
ST monetary losses for LT future success.
Many owners do that.
dEwitt has multiple billions.
If I had multiple billions, I'd be more
than willing to eat $30-50M for a few of
the seasons.
Team appreciation and other endeavors would
cover the loss.

I partially agree with this. There have been times in the last 10 years when spending an extra $20-25 mil would have put the Cardinals in the playoff picture as real contenders. I have said as much on this forum. And the return had they advanced and maybe even won a title would be greater than the expenditure. I also, were I a billionaire, would look at a greater picture of return on investment as a factor in profit loss on an annual basis.

But DeWitt isn't the only owner. Some of them might not be that rich. Some might be rich on paper having a share of a team with increased value but can not afford to run at a loss and why would DeWitt pick up the entire tab for running at a loss? This is a business.

Bottom line is it isn't going to happen. This team has and will continue to operate on an annual profit/loss basis and team expenses will be in line with revenue. And sadly despite fan support (in the past) they have less TV revenue than the big dogs and now lowered fan support looking at the stands.

So "assuming" they are actually revamping player scouting and development bringing them up to the highest standard I accept this year and probably next will see lowered spending on the major league roster. The result going forward "assuming they are doing that" will be a better pipeline of farm talent and a better chance of competing against the big money teams.

[WLTFE]

Underutilization of free agency.
That's how we got here in this predicament.
Cheapness personified.
Then blames "business model"
Doosh comes to mind.

Here's a quote
"If you want to be a big dog, better spend big dog dollars"
There I said it again, but more controllably.

Unfortunately, small to mid market teams can’t spend like the big dogs. Smaller revenues from cable won’t support it.

Oh here we go!!!!!!!!
Business Model Cranny.
Suck, Suck up to the front office.

Cranny is either a front office flunky or a Post-Dispatch flunky paid to elicit more clicks in response.

You can add Tank and Pouty to that list. {I can do stupid nicknames too}

And Tanker the Wanker

[Cranny]

Underutilization of free agency.
That's how we got here in this predicament.
Cheapness personified.
Then blames "business model"
Doosh comes to mind.

Here's a quote
"If you want to be a big dog, better spend big dog dollars"
There I said it again, but more controllably.

Simple answer. Why don't you offer to give them $50 million per year to utilize that free agency market every year so they can run with the big dogs?

We need an owner that is willing to accept
ST monetary losses for LT future success.
Many owners do that.
dEwitt has multiple billions.
If I had multiple billions, I'd be more
than willing to eat $30-50M for a few of
the seasons.
Team appreciation and other endeavors would
cover the loss.

I partially agree with this. There have been times in the last 10 years when spending an extra $20-25 mil would have put the Cardinals in the playoff picture as real contenders. I have said as much on this forum. And the return had they advanced and maybe even won a title would be greater than the expenditure. I also, were I a billionaire, would look at a greater picture of return on investment as a factor in profit loss on an annual basis.

But DeWitt isn't the only owner. Some of them might not be that rich. Some might be rich on paper having a share of a team with increased value but can not afford to run at a loss and why would DeWitt pick up the entire tab for running at a loss? This is a business.

Bottom line is it isn't going to happen. This team has and will continue to operate on an annual profit/loss basis and team expenses will be in line with revenue. And sadly despite fan support (in the past) they have less TV revenue than the big dogs and now lowered fan support looking at the stands.

So "assuming" they are actually revamping player scouting and development bringing them up to the highest standard I accept this year and probably next will see lowered spending on the major league roster. The result going forward "assuming they are doing that" will be a better pipeline of farm talent and a better chance of competing against the big money teams.

Good post. You’re right that the Cards are run on a profit and loss basis. As most businesses are. It’s just that the Cardinals are more visible as a business, represent the city, and have more passionate customers than most businesses.

[woofy25]

Underutilization of free agency.
That's how we got here in this predicament.
Cheapness personified.
Then blames "business model"
Doosh comes to mind.

Here's a quote
"If you want to be a big dog, better spend big dog dollars"
There I said it again, but more controllably.

This is completely wrong. It’s the lack of developing all star caliber players. The FAs the cardinals have signed, haven’t panned out, for the most part.

[renostl]

I can respect that and your revenue take to an extent as you can surmise.

When this viewpoint is taken however, I do wonder where Bloom is now.
Why not work together vs losing a year.

I believe Bloom is spending the majority of his time with Cerfolio right now, strengthening the pipeline. Lots of work to be done there before taking on the POBO reins.

24/7.

A couple hours here or there about roster adjustments should
be possible, IMO.

Some companies are successful with the silo style.
Keeps people from getting into each other’s hair.

True enough, however it made me smile.

IF Bloom is occupied as said in strengthening the pipeline, they're already mostly apart.
We're basically talking about a phone call to get another's take on a move. Something the
Cardinals have yet to do. If they can't do that to create a smoother handoff, a part of the reason
not all, they are both here at the same time. Then MO should be gone since
he isn't a part of the future and not working towards it.

[Bomber1]

Those who don’t understand the revenue streams of MLB teams should probably excuse themselves from these type of discussions.

Shut the hell up you pompous clown.

You become more obnoxious by the day.

[Cranny]

Those who don’t understand the revenue streams of MLB teams should probably excuse themselves from these type of discussions.

Shut the hell up you pompous clown.

You become more obnoxious by the day.

Thanks for the nice compliment, Bomber. Hope you’re having a great day.