Fedde was a 1 year wonder-Everyone on CT bought the [nonsense] hook-line and sinker.

[Ozziesfan41]

That trade was perfectly fine. We gave up an injured, lesser version of Brendan Donovan for a starter who (when all is said and done) will have pitched to a 3.5 ERA over his year and a half here.

Trade was a good one TRL no way BDWJr was paying T. Edman $9.5M or extending him.

Fedde's had four outstanding starts, two clunkers.

He'll bring back a solid prospect in a few months.

Edman is worth every penny, he is a winning player.

Donovan is not the total player that Edman is.

There's a bunch of slugs on this team not remotely equal to Edman, such as Burleson, Gorman, Saggesse, Walker, Siani

Scott and Winn have a chance to be really good, the others, not so much.

Edman was a perfect fit.....for the Dodgers, not here at $9.5M.

Donovan/28 yrs old (.286 .366 .416 .782/120 OPS+) is a better player than Edman/30 yrs old in a few weeks (.262 .316 .413 .729/101 OPS+) at almost $7M less. I'd take Donny 100 out of 100 times over Edman.

But agree w/your "slugs" except for Gorman, I'm not ready to throw the towel in on him just yet.

Edman’s .243 average and .284 OBP would be the lowest average and OBP of his career. They have him hitting in the middle of the order (3-5th) more than anywhere else though, so SLG% is important there.

Not sure how anyone can think he's a better player than Donny who keeps getting better and better at a third of the salary.

When Tommy's sitting at 10 HR's in July that slg% will be back where it belongs in the low .400's.

+1 it’s hilarious some people think he has suddenly evolved into a slugger

[rockondlouie]

That trade was perfectly fine. We gave up an injured, lesser version of Brendan Donovan for a starter who (when all is said and done) will have pitched to a 3.5 ERA over his year and a half here.

Trade was a good one TRL no way BDWJr was paying T. Edman $9.5M or extending him.

Fedde's had four outstanding starts, two clunkers.

He'll bring back a solid prospect in a few months.

He doesn't have sustained season over season success. You are assuming that he keeps this ratio. I doubt he becomes disaster bad, but he is likely to regress from last season.

He's been solid RR since his return to MLB:

37 GS
3.51 ERA
1.19 WHiP

I'm not saying he'd bring back a Top 100 prospect but he'll being back something of value (as along as C. Bloom makes the trade).

[Adam2]

Fedde had a low 3s era entering this game. Do i think he will replicate last year. Id say there is a high chance he doesnt. But i think we need to stop insane overreactions to one start on both sides with fedde lately and just let the season play out a little more instead of me seeing fedde is great, fedde is bad. Agter every single start. Lol. Lets stop with the kneejerk reactions and see a little bigger sample size

How do people navigate being a Cards fan, or any aspect of life, as one big roller coaster of emotional highs and lows? Sounds exhausting.

It takes a special kind of drama queen to get this worked up over an April loss by a non-contending team. I wonder how he is during a real crisis.

probably straight to the fetal position

[rockondlouie]

That trade was perfectly fine. We gave up an injured, lesser version of Brendan Donovan for a starter who (when all is said and done) will have pitched to a 3.5 ERA over his year and a half here.

Trade was a good one TRL no way BDWJr was paying T. Edman $9.5M or extending him.

Fedde's had four outstanding starts, two clunkers.

He'll bring back a solid prospect in a few months.

Edman is worth every penny, he is a winning player.

Donovan is not the total player that Edman is.

There's a bunch of slugs on this team not remotely equal to Edman, such as Burleson, Gorman, Saggesse, Walker, Siani

Scott and Winn have a chance to be really good, the others, not so much.

Edman was a perfect fit.....for the Dodgers, not here at $9.5M.

Donovan/28 yrs old (.286 .366 .416 .782/120 OPS+) is a better player than Edman/30 yrs old in a few weeks (.262 .316 .413 .729/101 OPS+) at almost $7M less. I'd take Donny 100 out of 100 times over Edman.

But agree w/your "slugs" except for Gorman, I'm not ready to throw the towel in on him just yet.

Edman’s .243 average and .284 OBP would be the lowest average and OBP of his career. They have him hitting in the middle of the order (3-5th) more than anywhere else though, so SLG% is important there.

Not sure how anyone can think he's a better player than Donny who keeps getting better and better at a third of the salary.

When Tommy's sitting at 10 HR's in July that slg% will be back where it belongs in the low .400's.

+1 it’s hilarious some people think he has suddenly evolved into a slugger

No doubt, flukes like Edman's early season power happen all the time in MLB.

[Swuhgen]

He's had 3 quality starts out of 5.
I'd be thrilled if he kept that up all season.

[makesnosense]

That trade was perfectly fine. We gave up an injured, lesser version of Brendan Donovan for a starter who (when all is said and done) will have pitched to a 3.5 ERA over his year and a half here.

Trade was a good one TRL no way BDWJr was paying T. Edman $9.5M or extending him.

Fedde's had four outstanding starts, two clunkers.

He'll bring back a solid prospect in a few months.

Edman is worth every penny, he is a winning player.

Donovan is not the total player that Edman is.

There's a bunch of slugs on this team not remotely equal to Edman, such as Burleson, Gorman, Saggesse, Walker, Siani

Scott and Winn have a chance to be really good, the others, not so much.

Edman was a perfect fit.....for the Dodgers, not here at $9.5M.

Donovan/28 yrs old (.286 .366 .416 .782/120 OPS+) is a better player than Edman/30 yrs old in a few weeks (.262 .316 .413 .729/101 OPS+) at almost $7M less. I'd take Donny 100 out of 100 times over Edman.

But agree w/your "slugs" except for Gorman, I'm not ready to throw the towel in on him just yet.

Edman’s .243 average and .284 OBP would be the lowest average and OBP of his career. They have him hitting in the middle of the order (3-5th) more than anywhere else though, so SLG% is important there.

Not sure how anyone can think he's a better player than Donny who keeps getting better and better at a third of the salary.

When Tommy's sitting at 10 HR's in July that slg% will be back where it belongs in the low .400's.

+1 it’s hilarious some people think he has suddenly evolved into a slugger

No doubt, flukes like Edman's early season power happen all the time in MLB.

Flukes like Fedde’s early season success also happen all the time. Yes I know he had a career 1/2 season last year.

[renostl]

He's had 3 quality starts out of 5.
I'd be thrilled if he kept that up all season.

The Cardinals will need a similar SP in 2026
if they are attempting to win.

[Futuregm2]

He's had 3 quality starts out of 5.
I'd be thrilled if he kept that up all season.

4 out of 6*

[RunSup]

Many on CT said trade Fedde during the off season despite your over generalization.

Nearly every stinking CTer sang his praise.
Glad to rid themselves of Edman
for this overrated piece of dung.

Not true. I'd say most said Mo should trade him.

[renostl]

That trade was perfectly fine. We gave up an injured, lesser version of Brendan Donovan for a starter who (when all is said and done) will have pitched to a 3.5 ERA over his year and a half here.

Trade was a good one TRL no way BDWJr was paying T. Edman $9.5M or extending him.

Fedde's had four outstanding starts, two clunkers.

He'll bring back a solid prospect in a few months.

Edman is worth every penny, he is a winning player.

Donovan is not the total player that Edman is.

There's a bunch of slugs on this team not remotely equal to Edman, such as Burleson, Gorman, Saggesse, Walker, Siani

Scott and Winn have a chance to be really good, the others, not so much.

Edman was a perfect fit.....for the Dodgers, not here at $9.5M.

Donovan/28 yrs old (.286 .366 .416 .782/120 OPS+) is a better player than Edman/30 yrs old in a few weeks (.262 .316 .413 .729/101 OPS+) at almost $7M less. I'd take Donny 100 out of 100 times over Edman.

But agree w/your "slugs" except for Gorman, I'm not ready to throw the towel in on him just yet.

Edman’s .243 average and .284 OBP would be the lowest average and OBP of his career. They have him hitting in the middle of the order (3-5th) more than anywhere else though, so SLG% is important there.

Not sure how anyone can think he's a better player than Donny who keeps getting better and better at a third of the salary.

When Tommy's sitting at 10 HR's in July that slg% will be back where it belongs in the low .400's.

+1 it’s hilarious some people think he has suddenly evolved into a slugger

I'm a decent TE fan.
It's irrelevant as it is to say Fedde is some superior trade chip and cost $2 million less.
What does either player bring back today if traded and the LAD were letting TE's contract
run out like Feddes. IMO, without extensive debate, it's a similar return.

TE was phased out in StL. right or wrong. Done deal. VS, BD, MW makes that choice sound.
The same business model does phase out Donovan though too. We'll see what occurs.

[Red7]

The skepticism many on here had about Fedde was probably shared by most GM’s which lowered the possible return for him. I’ve steadfastly held the Cardinals needed to hold on to Fedde (a SP at $7.5 million is a good value) and hoped he repeated last year. If he does that, and pretty much he has, the return will be greater. If he doesn’t, the return won’t be that much less. Plus, why would anyone trade much for Fedde when they could sign a Quintana for $5 million?

[Ozziesfan41]

That trade was perfectly fine. We gave up an injured, lesser version of Brendan Donovan for a starter who (when all is said and done) will have pitched to a 3.5 ERA over his year and a half here.

Trade was a good one TRL no way BDWJr was paying T. Edman $9.5M or extending him.

Fedde's had four outstanding starts, two clunkers.

He'll bring back a solid prospect in a few months.

Edman is worth every penny, he is a winning player.

Donovan is not the total player that Edman is.

There's a bunch of slugs on this team not remotely equal to Edman, such as Burleson, Gorman, Saggesse, Walker, Siani

Scott and Winn have a chance to be really good, the others, not so much.

Edman was a perfect fit.....for the Dodgers, not here at $9.5M.

Donovan/28 yrs old (.286 .366 .416 .782/120 OPS+) is a better player than Edman/30 yrs old in a few weeks (.262 .316 .413 .729/101 OPS+) at almost $7M less. I'd take Donny 100 out of 100 times over Edman.

But agree w/your "slugs" except for Gorman, I'm not ready to throw the towel in on him just yet.

Edman’s .243 average and .284 OBP would be the lowest average and OBP of his career. They have him hitting in the middle of the order (3-5th) more than anywhere else though, so SLG% is important there.

Not sure how anyone can think he's a better player than Donny who keeps getting better and better at a third of the salary.

When Tommy's sitting at 10 HR's in July that slg% will be back where it belongs in the low .400's.

+1 it’s hilarious some people think he has suddenly evolved into a slugger

I'm a decent TE fan.
It's irrelevant as it is to say Fedde is some superior trade chip and cost $2 million less.
What does either player bring back today if traded and the LAD were letting TE's contract
run out like Feddes. IMO, without extensive debate, it's a similar return.

TE was phased out in StL. right or wrong. Done deal. VS, BD, MW makes that choice sound.
The same business model does phase out Donovan though too. We'll see what occurs.

Edman wouldnt bring back as much as fedde now that he has a 70 million dollar contract. Only a team with a massive payroll would take on that contract for a sub.300 OBP utility man other teams know hes not suddenly a slugger and will end up around his career norms. The dodgers would have to eat some of that contract for another team to take him and Edman was never a player who would bring back a top prospect anyway. Fedde isn’t going to bring back a top prospect either neither player would.

[Futuregm2]

That trade was perfectly fine. We gave up an injured, lesser version of Brendan Donovan for a starter who (when all is said and done) will have pitched to a 3.5 ERA over his year and a half here.

Trade was a good one TRL no way BDWJr was paying T. Edman $9.5M or extending him.

Fedde's had four outstanding starts, two clunkers.

He'll bring back a solid prospect in a few months.

Edman is worth every penny, he is a winning player.

Donovan is not the total player that Edman is.

There's a bunch of slugs on this team not remotely equal to Edman, such as Burleson, Gorman, Saggesse, Walker, Siani

Scott and Winn have a chance to be really good, the others, not so much.

Edman was a perfect fit.....for the Dodgers, not here at $9.5M.

Donovan/28 yrs old (.286 .366 .416 .782/120 OPS+) is a better player than Edman/30 yrs old in a few weeks (.262 .316 .413 .729/101 OPS+) at almost $7M less. I'd take Donny 100 out of 100 times over Edman.

But agree w/your "slugs" except for Gorman, I'm not ready to throw the towel in on him just yet.

Edman’s .243 average and .284 OBP would be the lowest average and OBP of his career. They have him hitting in the middle of the order (3-5th) more than anywhere else though, so SLG% is important there.

Not sure how anyone can think he's a better player than Donny who keeps getting better and better at a third of the salary.

When Tommy's sitting at 10 HR's in July that slg% will be back where it belongs in the low .400's.

+1 it’s hilarious some people think he has suddenly evolved into a slugger

I'm a decent TE fan.
It's irrelevant as it is to say Fedde is some superior trade chip and cost $2 million less.
What does either player bring back today if traded and the LAD were letting TE's contract
run out like Feddes. IMO, without extensive debate, it's a similar return.

TE was phased out in StL. right or wrong. Done deal. VS, BD, MW makes that choice sound.
The same business model does phase out Donovan though too. We'll see what occurs.

Wong was phased out by Edman
Edman was phased out by MW/BD/VS
One of those players very well may be phased out by another player in the future

Cycle of many baseball teams/players.

[renostl]

That trade was perfectly fine. We gave up an injured, lesser version of Brendan Donovan for a starter who (when all is said and done) will have pitched to a 3.5 ERA over his year and a half here.

Trade was a good one TRL no way BDWJr was paying T. Edman $9.5M or extending him.

Fedde's had four outstanding starts, two clunkers.

He'll bring back a solid prospect in a few months.

Edman is worth every penny, he is a winning player.

Donovan is not the total player that Edman is.

There's a bunch of slugs on this team not remotely equal to Edman, such as Burleson, Gorman, Saggesse, Walker, Siani

Scott and Winn have a chance to be really good, the others, not so much.

Edman was a perfect fit.....for the Dodgers, not here at $9.5M.

Donovan/28 yrs old (.286 .366 .416 .782/120 OPS+) is a better player than Edman/30 yrs old in a few weeks (.262 .316 .413 .729/101 OPS+) at almost $7M less. I'd take Donny 100 out of 100 times over Edman.

But agree w/your "slugs" except for Gorman, I'm not ready to throw the towel in on him just yet.

Edman’s .243 average and .284 OBP would be the lowest average and OBP of his career. They have him hitting in the middle of the order (3-5th) more than anywhere else though, so SLG% is important there.

Not sure how anyone can think he's a better player than Donny who keeps getting better and better at a third of the salary.

When Tommy's sitting at 10 HR's in July that slg% will be back where it belongs in the low .400's.

+1 it’s hilarious some people think he has suddenly evolved into a slugger

I'm a decent TE fan.
It's irrelevant as it is to say Fedde is some superior trade chip and cost $2 million less.
What does either player bring back today if traded and the LAD were letting TE's contract
run out like Feddes. IMO, without extensive debate, it's a similar return.

TE was phased out in StL. right or wrong. Done deal. VS, BD, MW makes that choice sound.
The same business model does phase out Donovan though too. We'll see what occurs.

Wong was phased out by Edman
Edman was phased out by MW/BD/VS
One of those players very well may be phased out by another player in the future

Cycle of many baseball teams/players.

All true Future, all true.

It's my position that teams wanting to compete need midrange paid vet or two on it.
It raises the floor. Rebuilding teams and overly budget conscious teams cut these
guys first, sometimes creating a constant rebuild.
While teams looking to make a playoff run see these players as a valuable piece
for they too have someone in their system who could provide a minimum wage substitute.
Pushes better player out of MLB for lower costs a lessor game.

The Cardinals won't spend big. Their all-stars will come cheap from within or through trade.
Expecting too many prospects at the same time to come through is overly optimistic.
I'm not against where the Cardinals are today. I'm optimistic about the near future.

[RichieRichSTL]

That trade was perfectly fine. We gave up an injured, lesser version of Brendan Donovan for a starter who (when all is said and done) will have pitched to a 3.5 ERA over his year and a half here.

Trade was a good one TRL no way BDWJr was paying T. Edman $9.5M or extending him.

Fedde's had four outstanding starts, two clunkers.

He'll bring back a solid prospect in a few months.

He doesn't have sustained season over season success. You are assuming that he keeps this ratio. I doubt he becomes disaster bad, but he is likely to regress from last season.

He's been solid RR since his return to MLB:

37 GS
3.51 ERA
1.19 WHiP

I'm not saying he'd bring back a Top 100 prospect but he'll being back something of value (as along as C. Bloom makes the trade).

Overall solid, but I am not talking about what is mostly last year.

He regressed a little after he got trade but his Cardinals numbers for last season were still very strong. This season his WIP, WHIP, K/BB, ERA are all significantly worse. It is still only 6 games in and two (bleep) starts have skewed the numbers. We balance this out with 4 QS. Still
as many have noted, his FIP is concerning.

While it is disingenuous to ignore his 4 QS, we can just pretend there is no cause for concern. His two awful starts have come against two of the better offenses in the league. His 4 QS have come against teams 3 bottom 10 offense and one middle of the road one.

Look, I want to be proven wrong, but like we found with Mikolas meh pitches that come back and do well in their first season back can face significant regression in thee 2nd season.

He only has a short history of being good and a much longer history of being mediocre to bad so, let's pretend he's proven. We've seen time and again a player has 1 career year and never approaches that level of success again. You cant just dismiss the possibility that he will digress significantly from last season.

[rockondlouie]

That trade was perfectly fine. We gave up an injured, lesser version of Brendan Donovan for a starter who (when all is said and done) will have pitched to a 3.5 ERA over his year and a half here.

Trade was a good one TRL no way BDWJr was paying T. Edman $9.5M or extending him.

Fedde's had four outstanding starts, two clunkers.

He'll bring back a solid prospect in a few months.

He doesn't have sustained season over season success. You are assuming that he keeps this ratio. I doubt he becomes disaster bad, but he is likely to regress from last season.

He's been solid RR since his return to MLB:

37 GS
3.51 ERA
1.19 WHiP

I'm not saying he'd bring back a Top 100 prospect but he'll being back something of value (as along as C. Bloom makes the trade).

Overall solid, but I am not talking about what is mostly last year.

He regressed a little after he got trade but his Cardinals numbers for last season were still very strong. This season his WIP, WHIP, K/BB, ERA are all significantly worse. It is still only 6 games in and two (bleep) starts have skewed the numbers. We balance this out with 4 QS. Still
as many have noted, his FIP is concerning.

While it is disingenuous to ignore his 4 QS, we can just pretend there is no cause for concern. His two awful starts have come against two of the better offenses in the league. His 4 QS have come against teams 3 bottom 10 offense and one middle of the road one.

Look, I want to be proven wrong, but like we found with Mikolas meh pitches that come back and do well in their first season back can face significant regression in thee 2nd season.

He only has a short history of being good and a much longer history of being mediocre to bad so, let's pretend he's proven. We've seen time and again a player has 1 career year and never approaches that level of success again. You cant just dismiss the possibility that he will digress significantly from last season.

Actually he didn't regress at all after being acquired by the Cardinals.

After his first game as a Cardinal vs the Cubs (5 IP/ 5 ER) in his final 9 Cardinals starts he had a very good 3.20 ERA.

His FiP will always be "concerning" since he's not a strikeout pitcher.

Again, he won't bring back a Top 100 prospect but the return should still be solid.

And you're right, no one knows if he'll regress just as no one knows if he'll pitch great until dealt............time will tell.