Could Helsley bring as much as Montgomery/Stratton did?

[Shady]

Saggese, Roby and King were a very good return. Helsley should bring something comparable at the deadline.

[Talkin' Baseball]

Saggese, Roby and King were a very good return. Helsley should bring something comparable at the deadline.

This was a very good return. However, when they trade Helsley, I hope they will go for one higher value target rather than three lesser value targets. In fact, I hope they package him with Fedde, or Arenado, or one young player and get a very high value target.

[Talkin' Baseball]

The Rangers won a World Series, so it's not an overpay, right? This is why teams trade for players who will be a free agent. It can put them over the top. This is why we are so well positioned this year to improve our roster. We have players who can help.

[Strummer Jones]

Saggese, Roby and King were a very good return. Helsley should bring something comparable at the deadline.

This was a very good return. However, when they trade Helsley, I hope they will go for one higher value target rather than three lesser value targets. In fact, I hope they package him with Fedde, or Arenado, or one young player and get a very high value target.

This.

I'm sure there's more to it than I knew/know, but I think the Great Deadline Sell of '23 would've been a little more productive if we targeted ONE player on those trades than a mixture of guys.

[Red7]

I want a Cole Ragans return that the Royals got for Aroldis Chapman. I won’t settle for less.

[Futuregm2]

Saggese, Roby and King were a very good return. Helsley should bring something comparable at the deadline.

This was a very good return. However, when they trade Helsley, I hope they will go for one higher value target rather than three lesser value targets. In fact, I hope they package him with Fedde, or Arenado, or one young player and get a very high value target.

This.

I'm sure there's more to it than I knew/know, but I think the Great Deadline Sell of '23 would've been a little more productive if we targeted ONE player on those trades than a mixture of guys.

Maybe, but I actually am ok with the return they got for the players aside from maybe the Baltimore deal. But Flaherty was an often injured pitcher FA to be and he sucked for the Orioles. And on top of that has had to sign back to back “show me” deals, even while being pretty good last year. So how much interest was there really?

[rockondlouie]

I want a Cole Ragans return that the Royals got for Aroldis Chapman. I won’t settle for less.

[Ozziesfan41]

It will depend on how he pitches the rest of the way. He’s not a closer you can run out a lot of games in a row so that’s a knock. Hes blown 2 saves already in 6 chances so not as effective as last season in the early going. The time to trade him was in the offseason his value is going down

[Talkin' Baseball]

It will depend on how he pitches the rest of the way. He’s not a closer you can run out a lot of games in a row so that’s a knock. Hes blown 2 saves already in 6 chances so not as effective as last season in the early going. The time to trade him was in the offseason his value is going down

I think his limited usage has hurt his effectiveness. Rusty? I have wondered if they have purposely limited his usage to insure his health at the deadline.

[NYCardsFan]

Saggese, Roby and King were a very good return. Helsley should bring something comparable at the deadline.

This was a very good return. However, when they trade Helsley, I hope they will go for one higher value target rather than three lesser value targets. In fact, I hope they package him with Fedde, or Arenado, or one young player and get a very high value target.

This.

I'm sure there's more to it than I knew/know, but I think the Great Deadline Sell of '23 would've been a little more productive if we targeted ONE player on those trades than a mixture of guys.

Maybe, but I actually am ok with the return they got for the players aside from maybe the Baltimore deal. But Flaherty was an often injured pitcher FA to be and he sucked for the Orioles. And on top of that has had to sign back to back “show me” deals, even while being pretty good last year. So how much interest was there really?

True. Montgomery's was the only expiring contract worth much of anything, so no surprise the biggest value they got in all of those deadline trades came from the Texas deal. Of course, the better argument is they should have tried to trade some of the non-expiring contracts (and who knows, maybe they did).

[Melville]

Saggese, Roby and King were a very good return. Helsley should bring something comparable at the deadline.

This was a very good return. However, when they trade Helsley, I hope they will go for one higher value target rather than three lesser value targets. In fact, I hope they package him with Fedde, or Arenado, or one young player and get a very high value target.

If STL appears to be out of the race on July 1, you are absolutely correct in your thinking.
Helsley or Fedde should be packaged with Arenado in order to maximize return.
Whichever of the 2 pitchers are not packaged with Arenado should be dealt separately.
Mootbaar should also be on the block if he is overperforming, ambulatory, and generates any interest.
Easy.
Obvious.
Correct.

[Absolut]

He should not be on the roster still. More mismanagement by Mo

[Futuregm2]

Saggese, Roby and King were a very good return. Helsley should bring something comparable at the deadline.

This was a very good return. However, when they trade Helsley, I hope they will go for one higher value target rather than three lesser value targets. In fact, I hope they package him with Fedde, or Arenado, or one young player and get a very high value target.

If STL appears to be out of the race on July 1, you are absolutely correct in your thinking.
Helsley or Fedde should be packaged with Arenado in order to maximize return.
Whichever of the 2 pitchers are not packaged with Arenado should be dealt separately.
Mootbaar should also be on the block if he is overperforming, ambulatory, and generates any interest.
Easy.
Obvious.
Correct.

More likely Nootbaar will have a contract extension than traded. He’s been their only consistent OFer over the last 4+ years.

[Shady]

He should not be on the roster still. More mismanagement by Mo

Mo needs to jump on the first bountiful trade he can land for Helsley. Pronto.

[Adam2]

He should not be on the roster still. More mismanagement by Mo

Mo needs to jump on the first bountiful trade he can land for Helsley. Pronto.

You have to wait for the market to develop, and the need to arise for teams. Whether that be injury or poor performance by the back end of their bullpen. Ideally in mid summer multiple teams will have a need giving you a significantly better return.

[Talkin' Baseball]

Saggese, Roby and King were a very good return. Helsley should bring something comparable at the deadline.

This was a very good return. However, when they trade Helsley, I hope they will go for one higher value target rather than three lesser value targets. In fact, I hope they package him with Fedde, or Arenado, or one young player and get a very high value target.

If STL appears to be out of the race on July 1, you are absolutely correct in your thinking.
Helsley or Fedde should be packaged with Arenado in order to maximize return.
Whichever of the 2 pitchers are not packaged with Arenado should be dealt separately.
Mootbaar should also be on the block if he is overperforming, ambulatory, and generates any interest.
Easy.
Obvious.
Correct.

In all humility Melville, this is correct thinking even if they are not out of the race on July 1. This team is not yet built to make it. Doesn't have the horses (or the experience). Be disciplined. Execute the plan. Reap the rewards.