Farm Reliant dEwitt: Dude, IF YOU WANT TO BE A BIG DOG, THEN SPEND BIG DOG DOLLARS!

[rockondlouie]

Underutilization of free agency.
That's how we got here in this predicament.
Cheapness personified.
Then blames "business model"
Doosh comes to mind.

Here's a quote
"If you want to be a big dog, better spend big dog dollars"
There I said it again, but more controllably.

Unfortunately, small to mid market teams can’t spend like the big dogs. Smaller revenues from cable won’t support it.

Prior to Dewitt letting Mo ruin the franchise and now slashing payroll he drew 3.2+M for decades and DID NOT have small-mid market revenues.

Cable deal just another excuse to cut payroll.

Dewitt has gone cheap and any fan w/a brain knows it.

[Bully4you]

No opinion on Cranny’s status…

I do, however, get the sense he understands the math of comparable revenue streams…

There are only a few “big dog” markets in MLB

And St. Louis is not one of them….

Where there's a will, there's a way.
deWitt hasn't the will.
He could have done more long ago.
Really sad. This could be at least a
$230M payroll outfit.

I don’t dispute your points…..but that horse is dead…

It is what it is….and it’s not going to change

I think many owners don't follow the "Business Model"
I think they might factor in the annual appreciation of the team.
Mets, Yanks, Dodgers, Phillis, don't all follow the model.
I'm not saying spend like them.
Far from it.
Just don't spend like KC Royals that's all.

[Bully4you]

Underutilization of free agency.
That's how we got here in this predicament.
Cheapness personified.
Then blames "business model"
Doosh comes to mind.

Here's a quote
"If you want to be a big dog, better spend big dog dollars"
There I said it again, but more controllably.

Unfortunately, small to mid market teams can’t spend like the big dogs. Smaller revenues from cable won’t support it.

Prior to Dewitt letting Mo ruin the franchise and now slashing payroll he drew 3.2+M for decades and DID NOT have small-mid market revenues.

Cable deal just another excuse to cut payroll.

Dewitt has gone cheap and any fan w/a brain knows it.

Amen.
You're a rational human being Rock!!!

[Bully4you]

If you are unwilling
or you haven't the balls to spend
or you're just conservative

Then guess what????

YOU HAVE NO BUSINESS OWNING
A SPORTS FRANCHISE.

Move on and purchase more restaurants.

[renostl]

Underutilization of free agency.
That's how we got here in this predicament.
Cheapness personified.
Then blames "business model"
Doosh comes to mind.

Here's a quote
"If you want to be a big dog, better spend big dog dollars"
There I said it again, but more controllably.

Unfortunately, small to mid market teams can’t spend like the big dogs. Smaller revenues from cable won’t support it.

Oh here we go!!!!!!!!
Business Model Cranny.
Suck, Suck up to the front office.

Cranny is either a front office flunky or a Post-Dispatch flunky paid to elicit more clicks in response.

Sorry. Neither. Just a fan. A fan like you.

I can agree that there are times, such as 2023 and 2024, that they shouldn't attempt to spend BIG. The team had
too many holes. But why did the team have too many holes? several reasons actually, an over reliance on too
many unproven players at the same time being one. This season, IMO spending moderately
would put them firmly in contention for NLC champs. A couple of BP's and a bat superior to Baker or Burleson or Walker does it.

The team won't usually spend big but occasionally should. What's Kyle Tucker and a RP do in 2026? They're at about $120 million
for 2026 subtracting Matz and Mikolas, adding arbs and SG's raise and replacing Fedde with a #4/#5 ish innings vet.
The Cards should be in o Tucker and can afford him even in a 8 x $40 million range. They likely sit on their hands similar
to when Harper came up. Go ahead and trade Walker or Gorman or whoever for future pitching and move forward.

[Cranny]

Those who don’t understand the revenue streams of MLB teams should probably excuse themselves from these type of discussions.

[sikeston bulldog2]

Those who don’t understand the revenue streams of MLB teams should probably excuse themselves from these type of discussions.

Why. A discussion is an opportunity to learn.

[Cranny]

Those who don’t understand the revenue streams of MLB teams should probably excuse themselves from these type of discussions.

Why. A discussion is an opportunity to learn.

Perhaps, if lessons are listened to and absorbed.
But someone who doesn’t understand how business works and just wants to spend like the “Big Dogs”
may unfortunately be a lost cause.

[renostl]

Those who don’t understand the revenue streams of MLB teams should probably excuse themselves from these type of discussions.

This isn't that binary of a discussion with ALL people though. There are opinions here that are not
suggesting being the Mets vs being Pittsburgh.

Revenue streams are affected by geography but not controlled. A better product can increase them for instance
as well as improving the access to their product.

In 2019 the St. Louis Cardinals spent $178 million at years end 40 man and were
at $197 million for the CB Tax. That's 2019 dollars in the exact same geography. Losing revenue is partly on them. Their fail.
They should be able to keep up with their own 2019 or todays say Arizona. IF not specifically why can't a nationwide brand like the Cardinals not able to keep up with
the Diamondbacks?

[sikeston bulldog2]

Those who don’t understand the revenue streams of MLB teams should probably excuse themselves from these type of discussions.

Why. A discussion is an opportunity to learn.

Perhaps, if lessons are listened to and absorbed.
But someone who doesn’t understand how business works and just wants to spend like the “Big Dogs”
may unfortunately be a lost cause.

Being a lost cause is harsh. Not understanding based on lack of training, data, or resources may apply. Some just want to chat with no agenda.

As for listening and learning nderstanding, that’s subjective.

[Cranny]

Those who don’t understand the revenue streams of MLB teams should probably excuse themselves from these type of discussions.

This isn't that binary of a discussion with ALL people though. There are opinions here that are not
suggesting being the Mets vs being Pittsburgh.

Revenue streams are affected by geography but not controlled. A better product can increase them for instance
as well as improving the access to their product.

In 2019 the St. Louis Cardinals spent $178 million at years end 40 man and were
at $197 million for the CB Tax. That's 2019 dollars in the exact same geography. Losing revenue is partly on them. Their fail.
They should be able to keep up with their own 2019 or todays say Arizona. IF not specifically why can't a nationwide brand like the Cardinals not able to keep up with
the Diamondbacks?

That’s very true, renostl. I seriously wonder if they anticipate a loss in media revenue and a possible work stoppage. Not making excuses, just wondering.

[rockondlouie]

Those who don’t understand the revenue streams of MLB teams should probably excuse themselves from these type of discussions.

OR

You spend money to build a business or field a team that people want to pay for.

It took Amazon approximately nine years, specifically until 2003, to turn a full-year profit after its founding in 1994 eyt they spent BILLIONS building the business.

[Cranny]

Those who don’t understand the revenue streams of MLB teams should probably excuse themselves from these type of discussions.

OR

You spend money to build a business or field a team that people want to pay for.

It took Amazon approximately nine years, specifically until 2003, to turn a full-year profit after its founding in 1994 eyt they spent BILLIONS building the business.

Amazon market is potentially every American. The Cardinals touch a group of baseball fans in several contiguous states. As a matter of fact, probably a minority of people who live in those several states are baseball or Cardinal fans.

[renostl]

Those who don’t understand the revenue streams of MLB teams should probably excuse themselves from these type of discussions.

This isn't that binary of a discussion with ALL people though. There are opinions here that are not
suggesting being the Mets vs being Pittsburgh.

Revenue streams are affected by geography but not controlled. A better product can increase them for instance
as well as improving the access to their product.

In 2019 the St. Louis Cardinals spent $178 million at years end 40 man and were
at $197 million for the CB Tax. That's 2019 dollars in the exact same geography. Losing revenue is partly on them. Their fail.
They should be able to keep up with their own 2019 or todays say Arizona. IF not specifically why can't a nationwide brand like the Cardinals not able to keep up with
the Diamondbacks?

That’s very true, renostl. I seriously wonder if they anticipate a loss in media revenue and a possible work stoppage. Not making excuses, just wondering.

Then we get into them not anticipating and their margins. We can take that in full spectrum. Negatively, positive, or somewhere
in between.

I will not change their budget. So this topic crosses a line for myself. Don't like it move on. At the same time the FO crosses the line
when not trying due to budget, sells it as a reset, still wants my money, takes it for granted, and pees on my back
and tells me its raining. There's a contract being broken here between two parties.

I should expect them to spend enough though to provide a winning team. Not necessarily the biggest spenders.
This season they closed the door to business when NA declined movement. Trades could still have happened. Holes potentially
filled. I'm not negative to where they are. They are totally fixable inside of a reasonable budget.
Kyle Tucker or like is doable in 2026, yet we have some certainty from past record they will not participate and yet
that changes where the team is. Harper was doable. He may have still signed in Philly but it shouldn't have been because of
the Cardinals were not even in the hunt.

I do find minimal spending as wrong in sports. I find a team full of minimum wage players as insincere to providing the product
towards being competitive in sports. Tanking shouldn't be rewarded. Pitt, Oakland great geography by the way should lose
they're ownerships after this much time. The Cardinals have 4 players making money. Matz is a moderate spend. That drops in 2026.

Two points, spend enough or trade enough to provide an attraction. This current team didn't. They dropped the ball in the pen knowingly.
We don't go to poorly produced movies. Two, don't take peoples money and support for granted. IF you've anticipated wrong then maybe invade
your profit margin a bit to overcome SOME of that to provide what you're in the business of. Competition and entertainment.

You're not all wrong here Cranny. They don't have LAD, NYM, NYY revenue period. IF they can't keep up with
AZ though then they may be doing something wrong, and we should be able to be critical.

[Cranny]

Those who don’t understand the revenue streams of MLB teams should probably excuse themselves from these type of discussions.

This isn't that binary of a discussion with ALL people though. There are opinions here that are not
suggesting being the Mets vs being Pittsburgh.

Revenue streams are affected by geography but not controlled. A better product can increase them for instance
as well as improving the access to their product.

In 2019 the St. Louis Cardinals spent $178 million at years end 40 man and were
at $197 million for the CB Tax. That's 2019 dollars in the exact same geography. Losing revenue is partly on them. Their fail.
They should be able to keep up with their own 2019 or todays say Arizona. IF not specifically why can't a nationwide brand like the Cardinals not able to keep up with
the Diamondbacks?

That’s very true, renostl. I seriously wonder if they anticipate a loss in media revenue and a possible work stoppage. Not making excuses, just wondering.

Then we get into them not anticipating and their margins. We can take that in full spectrum. Negatively, positive, or somewhere
in between.

I will not change their budget. So this topic crosses a line for myself. Don't like it move on. At the same time the FO crosses the line
when not trying due to budget, sells it as a reset, still wants my money, takes it for granted, and pees on my back
and tells me its raining. There's a contract being broken here between two parties.

I should expect them to spend enough though to provide a winning team. Not necessarily the biggest spenders.
This season they closed the door to business when NA declined movement. Trades could still have happened. Holes potentially
filled. I'm not negative to where they are. They are totally fixable inside of a reasonable budget.
Kyle Tucker or like is doable in 2026, yet we have some certainty from past record they will not participate and yet
that changes where the team is. Harper was doable. He may have still signed in Philly but it shouldn't have been because of
the Cardinals were not even in the hunt.

I do find minimal spending as wrong in sports. I find a team full of minimum wage players as insincere to providing the product
towards being competitive in sports. Tanking shouldn't be rewarded. Pitt, Oakland great geography by the way should lose
they're ownerships after this much time. The Cardinals have 4 players making money. Matz is a moderate spend. That drops in 2026.

Two points, spend enough or trade enough to provide an attraction. This current team didn't. They dropped the ball in the pen knowingly.
We don't go to poorly produced movies. Two, don't take peoples money and support for granted. IF you've anticipated wrong then maybe invade
your profit margin a bit to overcome SOME of that to provide what you're in the business of. Competition and entertainment.

You're not all wrong here Cranny. They don't have LAD, NYM, NYY revenue period. IF they can't keep up with
AZ though then they may be doing something wrong, and we should be able to be critical.

They might have been reluctant to make any moves in this off season because they want to give Bloom as clean a slate as possible to work with going forward.

[rockondlouie]

Those who don’t understand the revenue streams of MLB teams should probably excuse themselves from these type of discussions.

OR

You spend money to build a business or field a team that people want to pay for.

It took Amazon approximately nine years, specifically until 2003, to turn a full-year profit after its founding in 1994 eyt they spent BILLIONS building the business.

Amazon market is potentially every American. The Cardinals touch a group of baseball fans in several contiguous states. As a matter of fact, probably a minority of people who live in those several states are baseball or Cardinal fans.

Excuses, excuses

And you couldn't be more wrong, the MAJORITY of those baseball fans in those states have been Cardinals fans for generations.

The Cardinals draw from one of the widest, if not the widest, fan bases (re: states) in all of MLB which is why they drew 3.2+M for decades when BDWJr was interested and invested in good players & Managers.

But feel free to keep making excuses.