Manager

[Goldfan]

Since 1980 the St. Louis Cardinals Manager was for the most part
Whitey Herzog
Joe Torre
Tony LaRussa

BDW/Mo decided to go with an well respected long time former Cardinals ML C
Mike Matheny

Then decided to go with a long time organization Manager/Coach raised under Kissel

And then for some reason decided to hire a 35 yr old nobody who never played in ML, only managed a rookie ball team, and for short period of time was a bench coach under Shildt

And everybody is wondering Why this guy is out of his element. Couldn’t be more clear to me and I said it at the time he was hired.

[Hazelwood72]

Since 1980 the St. Louis Cardinals Manager was for the most part
Whitey Herzog
Joe Torre
Tony LaRussa

BDW/Mo decided to go with an well respected long time former Cardinals ML C
Mike Matheny

Then decided to go with a long time organization Manager/Coach raised under Kissel

And then for some reason decided to hire a 35 yr old nobody who never played in ML, only managed a rookie ball team, and for short period of time was a bench coach under Shildt

And everybody is wondering Why this guy is out of his element. Couldn’t be more clear to me and I said it at the time he was hired.

Good post.

I’m still P O’d at DeWittless and Mozo the Clown for sacking Shildt, especially the way they did. He brought back playing The Cardinal Way and greatly improved our defense and baseball IQ. We were error-prone, especially mentally, under Matheny, but Shildt fixed that.

After the Shildt firing, it’s been a continuous downward spiral.

[Quincy Varnish]

And everybody is wondering Why this guy is out of his element. Couldn’t be more clear to me and I said it at the time he was hired.

It’s time to give credit where it’s due - you, and you alone knew Marmol was not an ideal hire. It’s amazing, really.

[Cranny]

And everybody is wondering Why this guy is out of his element. Couldn’t be more clear to me and I said it at the time he was hired.

It’s time to give credit where it’s due - you, and you alone knew Marmol was not an ideal hire. It’s amazing, really.

Truly amazing.

[Goldfan]

And everybody is wondering Why this guy is out of his element. Couldn’t be more clear to me and I said it at the time he was hired.

It’s time to give credit where it’s due - you, and you alone knew Marmol was not an ideal hire. It’s amazing, really.

Truly amazing.

It’s amazing to see that after decades of HOF managers that brought the city WS championships that abandoning anything close to those guys and going with a 35yr old nobody who never led anything resembling a contending MLB club?

[woofy25]

Since 1980 the St. Louis Cardinals Manager was for the most part
Whitey Herzog
Joe Torre
Tony LaRussa

BDW/Mo decided to go with an well respected long time former Cardinals ML C
Mike Matheny

Then decided to go with a long time organization Manager/Coach raised under Kissel

And then for some reason decided to hire a 35 yr old nobody who never played in ML, only managed a rookie ball team, and for short period of time was a bench coach under Shildt

And everybody is wondering Why this guy is out of his element. Couldn’t be more clear to me and I said it at the time he was hired.

Good post.

I’m still P O’d at DeWittless and Mozo the Clown for sacking Shildt, especially the way they did. He brought back playing The Cardinal Way and greatly improved our defense and baseball IQ. We were error-prone, especially mentally, under Matheny, but Shildt fixed that.

After the Shildt firing, it’s been a continuous downward spiral.

Exactly right. That is when their arrogance crossed the tipping point.

[Cranny]

And everybody is wondering Why this guy is out of his element. Couldn’t be more clear to me and I said it at the time he was hired.

It’s time to give credit where it’s due - you, and you alone knew Marmol was not an ideal hire. It’s amazing, really.

Truly amazing.

It’s amazing to see that after decades of HOF managers that brought the city WS championships that abandoning anything close to those guys and going with a 35yr old nobody who never led anything resembling a contending MLB club?

I’ll agree with that about this manager. If they wanted to stay inside, they should have given the job to Stubby. He deserved it a lot more.

[imetsatchelpaige]

And everybody is wondering Why this guy is out of his element. Couldn’t be more clear to me and I said it at the time he was hired.

It’s time to give credit where it’s due - you, and you alone knew Marmol was not an ideal hire. It’s amazing, really.

Brilliant, really.
This guy should run for President.

[bretto12]

Keep in mind that those Hall of Fame managers, also had Hall of Fame players. Oli is not the problem. He can only put on the field the players that he has. He doesn't hit nor pitch and no manager is going to suddenly make the bullpen a world class unit. The Front office can not spend like the Dodgers, Yankees, etc.

This team is young. Even though everyone wants Fernandez released, the guy throws 97 and is young. This team is rebuilding all of the snowflakes on here seem to think that they have to blame someone and a new manager will suddenly win them the WS.

Baseball is in a new world. the rich teams can rebuild every year by spending a billion dollars to buy players. the other 23 to 25 teams cannot do that and must develop players, use them for 5 years and then let the big market teams take them away. The Dodger local TV money is larger than the total income of the Cardinals. The Cards are letting the young kids play and hoping they develop. If they do, the Cards have a future, if the don't, they have to find more young guys to develop. Drafting in the mid 20's really hurt the franchise when the game shifted from a, relatively equal playing plain, to one where the big teams realized they had the money to buy championships

Right now developing these guys and finding out if they can play, is more important than winning. Everyone on this site can already predict which teams will be in the WS.

[rockondlouie]

Since 1980 the St. Louis Cardinals Manager was for the most part
Whitey Herzog
Joe Torre
Tony LaRussa

BDW/Mo decided to go with an well respected long time former Cardinals ML C
Mike Matheny

Then decided to go with a long time organization Manager/Coach raised under Kissel

And then for some reason decided to hire a 35 yr old nobody who never played in ML, only managed a rookie ball team, and for short period of time was a bench coach under Shildt

And everybody is wondering Why this guy is out of his element. Couldn’t be more clear to me and I said it at the time he was hired.

Three Hall of Fame Managers

followed by

Three Stooges (Shildt was ok but hey, Two Stooges just doesn't get the point across )

Loathed all three hirings, said so at the time and begged Dewitt to first hire T. Francona and even started a thread suggesting B. Bochy while he was sitting in his rocking chair a year before the Rangers hired their future WS winning Manager.

[sikeston bulldog2]

Keep in mind that those Hall of Fame managers, also had Hall of Fame players. Oli is not the problem. He can only put on the field the players that he has. He doesn't hit nor pitch and no manager is going to suddenly make the bullpen a world class unit. The Front office can not spend like the Dodgers, Yankees, etc.

This team is young. Even though everyone wants Fernandez released, the guy throws 97 and is young. This team is rebuilding all of the snowflakes on here seem to think that they have to blame someone and a new manager will suddenly win them the WS.

Baseball is in a new world. the rich teams can rebuild every year by spending a billion dollars to buy players. the other 23 to 25 teams cannot do that and must develop players, use them for 5 years and then let the big market teams take them away. The Dodger local TV money is larger than the total income of the Cardinals. The Cards are letting the young kids play and hoping they develop. If they do, the Cards have a future, if the don't, they have to find more young guys to develop. Drafting in the mid 20's really hurt the franchise when the game shifted from a, relatively equal playing plain, to one where the big teams realized they had the money to buy championships

Right now developing these guys and finding out if they can play, is more important than winning. Everyone on this site can already predict which teams will be in the WS.

I disagree. I’ve seen too many moves or not to know he isn’t top notch. His lineups alone are enough. I’ve always felt a manager had little to do with outcomes till now.

[russellhammond]

Keep in mind that those Hall of Fame managers, also had Hall of Fame players. Oli is not the problem. He can only put on the field the players that he has. He doesn't hit nor pitch and no manager is going to suddenly make the bullpen a world class unit. The Front office can not spend like the Dodgers, Yankees, etc.

This team is young. Even though everyone wants Fernandez released, the guy throws 97 and is young. This team is rebuilding all of the snowflakes on here seem to think that they have to blame someone and a new manager will suddenly win them the WS.

Baseball is in a new world. the rich teams can rebuild every year by spending a billion dollars to buy players. the other 23 to 25 teams cannot do that and must develop players, use them for 5 years and then let the big market teams take them away. The Dodger local TV money is larger than the total income of the Cardinals. The Cards are letting the young kids play and hoping they develop. If they do, the Cards have a future, if the don't, they have to find more young guys to develop. Drafting in the mid 20's really hurt the franchise when the game shifted from a, relatively equal playing plain, to one where the big teams realized they had the money to buy championships

Right now developing these guys and finding out if they can play, is more important than winning. Everyone on this site can already predict which teams will be in the WS.
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I would suggest you amend this statement to read: Oli is not the only problem.
While there are indeed other problems with this team and organization, Oli is most definitely a problem. He is out of his depth as an MLB manager and should never have even been considered for the position, much less awarded the job.