JoshInFenton wrote: ↑21 Apr 2025 00:12 am
a top 5 draft picks gets you a really solid chance to get a good player
However, i can think of two organizations right now that have multiple of them in their lineup and are sitting on the sidelines still trying to get back into the big dance. So, a big prospect can help you get further, but it doesn't get you a guaranteed playoff team either.
I still think if we had failed to make the playoffs, at best we're picking 8th or 9th. Top 7 would've required us to lose 12 in a row rather than win 12 in a row. So the real question isn't "would you rather a top 5 pick" it's "would you rather a top 10 pick or a playoff birth?". I'd rather lose the 8-10 picks and have a chance to make some noise. if we had a legit chance at a top pick maybe i'd think differently.
The fork in the road was much sooner!
Where would the Blues be right now in draft position if they had played their prospects instead of Fowler, Faksa, and Suter for the whole year?
The options as I see it
1) prop up the team with older players that have no chance to be on a cup run with you, but make the playoffs
2) miss the playoffs and select the next Ovechkin
Id rather have an Ovechkin for 20 years than 10 alternating sets of Fowlers and Faksas.
Realistically somewhere between 7-12.
How much experience would this team be missing out on by not being in the playoffs?
What about not setting a 12 game win record?
How much is every player on the team going to improve after being in the playoffs and seeing what it takes to win there?
The Jets credit their last two first round exits with helping them all try to improve 5-10% last offseason.
How much did those vets help with the team culture this year which by all accounts the team has something special happening?
How much did players like Parayko, Tucker, Broberg learn from those two D?
I have something I've been thinking about lately regarding how many late 1st round picks the Blues seem to be hitting on. I'm sure the scouting staff does a great job but I think the team is developing and surrounding these players with the right support of veteran players to learn from as well.
With what I've seen the team do the last couple months and even now Snuggy, Bolduc, Broberg, Jake and even Kyrou, Thomas and the rest of the team are going to be better players because of it. Even Dvorsky was around the team to gain experience.
This is always going to rest on the definition of star player bc Kyle Connor and Robert Thomas are star players just as much as Eichel. So Vegas and STL have won a Cup lately without "super" star players. And Helly in net is also a star for that matter
I just wanted to add that I watched San Jose play the Flames last game of the season and they looked terrible. Will Smith may have some skill but in his own end he made bad passes and horrible puck decisions again and again. Who is he learning from? Watching? I think they have missed the playoffs 5 years now. They've been horrible 3 years now. I would say they are minimum 2-3 more years before they even sniff coming close to the playoffs. I would much rather the route the Blues are taking. Its not as flashy and they won't have the superstars but if they continue to develop players the way they are the team will have 4 lines that can play against anyone and maybe 7-8 20 goal scorers just at forward.
Hooking wrote: ↑20 Apr 2025 13:37 pm
This thread is just bait.
Smelly Diapers is just trying to belittle the Blues again. Its what he does. He doesn't think they are good. So the Blues lost game 1 after dominating for 2 periods. They just needed a better 3rd period. Blues win game 2.
JoshInFenton wrote: ↑21 Apr 2025 00:12 am
a top 5 draft picks gets you a really solid chance to get a good player
However, i can think of two organizations right now that have multiple of them in their lineup and are sitting on the sidelines still trying to get back into the big dance. So, a big prospect can help you get further, but it doesn't get you a guaranteed playoff team either.
I still think if we had failed to make the playoffs, at best we're picking 8th or 9th. Top 7 would've required us to lose 12 in a row rather than win 12 in a row. So the real question isn't "would you rather a top 5 pick" it's "would you rather a top 10 pick or a playoff birth?". I'd rather lose the 8-10 picks and have a chance to make some noise. if we had a legit chance at a top pick maybe i'd think differently.
The fork in the road was much sooner!
Where would the Blues be right now in draft position if they had played their prospects instead of Fowler, Faksa, and Suter for the whole year?
The options as I see it
1) prop up the team with older players that have no chance to be on a cup run with you, but make the playoffs
2) miss the playoffs and select the next Ovechkin
Id rather have an Ovechkin for 20 years than 10 alternating sets of Fowlers and Faksas.
Option 2 sounds good but there’s no Ovechkin available this year…or almost any year for that matter..
JoshInFenton wrote: ↑21 Apr 2025 00:12 am
a top 5 draft picks gets you a really solid chance to get a good player
However, i can think of two organizations right now that have multiple of them in their lineup and are sitting on the sidelines still trying to get back into the big dance. So, a big prospect can help you get further, but it doesn't get you a guaranteed playoff team either.
I still think if we had failed to make the playoffs, at best we're picking 8th or 9th. Top 7 would've required us to lose 12 in a row rather than win 12 in a row. So the real question isn't "would you rather a top 5 pick" it's "would you rather a top 10 pick or a playoff birth?". I'd rather lose the 8-10 picks and have a chance to make some noise. if we had a legit chance at a top pick maybe i'd think differently.
The fork in the road was much sooner!
Where would the Blues be right now in draft position if they had played their prospects instead of Fowler, Faksa, and Suter for the whole year?
The options as I see it
1) prop up the team with older players that have no chance to be on a cup run with you, but make the playoffs
2) miss the playoffs and select the next Ovechkin
Id rather have an Ovechkin for 20 years than 10 alternating sets of Fowlers and Faksas.
Option 2 sounds good but there’s no Ovechkin available this year…or almost any year for that matter..
JoshInFenton wrote: ↑21 Apr 2025 00:12 am
a top 5 draft picks gets you a really solid chance to get a good player
However, i can think of two organizations right now that have multiple of them in their lineup and are sitting on the sidelines still trying to get back into the big dance. So, a big prospect can help you get further, but it doesn't get you a guaranteed playoff team either.
I still think if we had failed to make the playoffs, at best we're picking 8th or 9th. Top 7 would've required us to lose 12 in a row rather than win 12 in a row. So the real question isn't "would you rather a top 5 pick" it's "would you rather a top 10 pick or a playoff birth?". I'd rather lose the 8-10 picks and have a chance to make some noise. if we had a legit chance at a top pick maybe i'd think differently.
The fork in the road was much sooner!
Where would the Blues be right now in draft position if they had played their prospects instead of Fowler, Faksa, and Suter for the whole year?
The options as I see it
1) prop up the team with older players that have no chance to be on a cup run with you, but make the playoffs
2) miss the playoffs and select the next Ovechkin
Id rather have an Ovechkin for 20 years than 10 alternating sets of Fowlers and Faksas.
Option 2 sounds good but there’s no Ovechkin available this year…or almost any year for that matter..
Well thankfully the Blues amateur department essentially allows them to draft in the top 10 without actually tanking which negates the (bleep) and moaning about "tanking"
Hofer 2018 3rd in Wins, 2nd in Save Pct,
Thomas 2017 4th in PTS,
Kyrou 2016 8th in Goals,
Neighbours 2020 8th in Goals
Bolduc 2021 10th in Goals
This is a huge factor in why the Blues are going to be quickly contending again. On the horizon Snuggerud, Dvorsky, Stenberg and of course we acquired 8th in 2019, Broberg as well. So....what else do you want this quality from the amateur scouting and development crew has allowed the franchise to skip the nasty long term futility that tanking requires. In fact its very unlikely that the team could fiscally withstand a long term drop in attendance. So be thankful the Blues have exceeded all expectations over and over again in the draft.
Hooking wrote: ↑20 Apr 2025 13:37 pmPlayoff hockey is more entertaining than watching the draft.
This thread is just bait.
"What do you want to accomplish?" is a loaded question for someone who values draft picks more than playoff runs because only one team is going to win the cup. If the Blues don't win it all you can easily bump this thread and say "SEE! Wouldn't a higher draft pick be better than winning nothing?"
To which I would still say no. I have more fun watching playoff hockey than the draft. If it takes some high draft picks to get in then so be it - this team doesn't NEED high draft picks to be a contender right now.
What's silly is thinking you will only have a great team and win cups if you have high draft picks every year or something. Ask EDM about all the cups they have won since having what seemed like decades of top 10 picks.
+1 I agree
Watching 2 weeks of Playoff Hockey is much more Entertaining even if your Team loses , then watching 2 days of a NHL draft that most people don,t watch and alot of fans don, t even remember who was drafted except maybe the Number 1 Overall pick.
JoshInFenton wrote: ↑21 Apr 2025 00:12 am
a top 5 draft picks gets you a really solid chance to get a good player
However, i can think of two organizations right now that have multiple of them in their lineup and are sitting on the sidelines still trying to get back into the big dance. So, a big prospect can help you get further, but it doesn't get you a guaranteed playoff team either.
I still think if we had failed to make the playoffs, at best we're picking 8th or 9th. Top 7 would've required us to lose 12 in a row rather than win 12 in a row. So the real question isn't "would you rather a top 5 pick" it's "would you rather a top 10 pick or a playoff birth?". I'd rather lose the 8-10 picks and have a chance to make some noise. if we had a legit chance at a top pick maybe i'd think differently.
The fork in the road was much sooner!
Where would the Blues be right now in draft position if they had played their prospects instead of Fowler, Faksa, and Suter for the whole year?
The options as I see it
1) prop up the team with older players that have no chance to be on a cup run with you, but make the playoffs
2) miss the playoffs and select the next Ovechkin
Id rather have an Ovechkin for 20 years than 10 alternating sets of Fowlers and Faksas.
Option 2 sounds good but there’s no Ovechkin available this year…or almost any year for that matter..
Ok. Let's grab the next Brandon Saad instead because he is sure to be available. Let's give him a NTC that we have not intention of honoring, and let's grossly overpay him for results, let's give him a contract 2 years beyond his usefulness date, and then finally let's trade him away to get back some of the money that we should have never promised to begin with.
As disappointing as a TOP5 can be, bringing in the wrong veteran can be way more costly and detrimental to results, and Army has already shown an ugly tendency for getting those picks wrong.
Pick your poison... The wrong TOP 5. The wrong Saad or Krug.
JoshInFenton wrote: ↑21 Apr 2025 00:12 am
a top 5 draft picks gets you a really solid chance to get a good player
However, i can think of two organizations right now that have multiple of them in their lineup and are sitting on the sidelines still trying to get back into the big dance. So, a big prospect can help you get further, but it doesn't get you a guaranteed playoff team either.
I still think if we had failed to make the playoffs, at best we're picking 8th or 9th. Top 7 would've required us to lose 12 in a row rather than win 12 in a row. So the real question isn't "would you rather a top 5 pick" it's "would you rather a top 10 pick or a playoff birth?". I'd rather lose the 8-10 picks and have a chance to make some noise. if we had a legit chance at a top pick maybe i'd think differently.
The fork in the road was much sooner!
Where would the Blues be right now in draft position if they had played their prospects instead of Fowler, Faksa, and Suter for the whole year?
The options as I see it
1) prop up the team with older players that have no chance to be on a cup run with you, but make the playoffs
2) miss the playoffs and select the next Ovechkin
Id rather have an Ovechkin for 20 years than 10 alternating sets of Fowlers and Faksas.
There has been ONE Ovechkin in the history of the NHL. One! Your lack of knowledge on hockey or simple statistics is duly noted.
JoshInFenton wrote: ↑21 Apr 2025 00:12 am
a top 5 draft picks gets you a really solid chance to get a good player
However, i can think of two organizations right now that have multiple of them in their lineup and are sitting on the sidelines still trying to get back into the big dance. So, a big prospect can help you get further, but it doesn't get you a guaranteed playoff team either.
I still think if we had failed to make the playoffs, at best we're picking 8th or 9th. Top 7 would've required us to lose 12 in a row rather than win 12 in a row. So the real question isn't "would you rather a top 5 pick" it's "would you rather a top 10 pick or a playoff birth?". I'd rather lose the 8-10 picks and have a chance to make some noise. if we had a legit chance at a top pick maybe i'd think differently.
The fork in the road was much sooner!
Where would the Blues be right now in draft position if they had played their prospects instead of Fowler, Faksa, and Suter for the whole year?
The options as I see it
1) prop up the team with older players that have no chance to be on a cup run with you, but make the playoffs
2) miss the playoffs and select the next Ovechkin
Id rather have an Ovechkin for 20 years than 10 alternating sets of Fowlers and Faksas.
There has been ONE Ovechkin in the history of the NHL. One! Your lack of knowledge on hockey or simple statistics is duly noted.
To his credit, Ovie has one Stanley Cup, so do the Blues. Ovie has 72 goals in 151 GP which is great i think hes 2nd in the NHL in playoff goals over that time but he has the one Cup. Drafting Ovie hasnt guaranteed the Caps much more playoff success than the Blues. More playoff GP for sure but again the one Cup, so far
