When everybody is back, what's your lineup?

[JuanAgosto]

The lineup will constantly change regardless of who is available. dumb[shirt]s Mo & the game strategist will order their errand boy oli to turn in one ridiculous lineup after another.

[Melville]

If the goal is to use 2025 to make decisions for 2026 and belong, nothing has changed other than the fact Saggese should get more time and Mootbaar less.

Against RH starting pitchers:
Scott - CF
Winn - SS
Donovan - LF
Contreras -1B
Burleson - DH
Saggese - 2B
Gorman - 3B
Pages/Herrera - C
Walker - RF

Bench:
Arenado
Mootbaar
Siani
Note: N/A and Moot could start against LH pitching until each is traded.

Easy.
Obvious.
Correct.

Current rank among Card's qualified hitters for Noot:

OPS - 3rd
HR - 2nd
RBI - 2nd
Runs - 2nd
Hits - 3rd
BB - 1st
OBP - 2nd
SLG - 3rd

Now...why does he go to the bench?

For the same reason as N/A.
STL needs the lineup this year to play for future considerations - and Mootbaar simply does not belong in that equation.
He is the same as he has always been - profiles best as a 4th outfielder/platoon/bench player.
Winn, Scott, Saggese, Gorman, Walker must get the PA's.
No choice but to find out what those 5 can do in 2025.
Donovan - as I alone correctly said for years - is and will always be better than Moot.
Which leaves Moot (with his April .212 BA and .303 SLG) odd man out - competing primarily with Burleson for playing time, getting match-up starts, coming off the bench (a good fit for his "walk first" mentality), etc.
Plenty of AB's for him - but not as a starter.
STL should have traded him when I advised.
Easy.
Obvious.
Correct.

[Melville]

The lineup will constantly change regardless of who is available. dumb[shirt]s Mo & the game strategist will order their errand boy oli to turn in one ridiculous lineup after another.

He doesn't need help with his incompetence.

[JuanAgosto]

The lineup will constantly change regardless of who is available. dumb[shirt]s Mo & the game strategist will order their errand boy oli to turn in one ridiculous lineup after another.

He doesn't need help with his incompetence.

No, he doesn't. But gets it anyway.

[Melville]

The lineup will constantly change regardless of who is available. dumb[shirt]s Mo & the game strategist will order their errand boy oli to turn in one ridiculous lineup after another.

He doesn't need help with his incompetence.

No, he doesn't. But gets it anyway.

Excellent point.

[Monsieur De Treville]

If the goal is to use 2025 to make decisions for 2026 and belong, nothing has changed other than the fact Saggese should get more time and Mootbaar less.

Against RH starting pitchers:
Scott - CF
Winn - SS
Donovan - LF
Contreras -1B
Burleson - DH
Saggese - 2B
Gorman - 3B
Pages/Herrera - C
Walker - RF

Bench:
Arenado
Mootbaar
Siani
Note: N/A and Moot could start against LH pitching until each is traded.

Easy.
Obvious.
Correct.

Current rank among Card's qualified hitters for Noot:

OPS - 3rd
HR - 2nd
RBI - 2nd
Runs - 2nd
Hits - 3rd
BB - 1st
OBP - 2nd
SLG - 3rd

Now...why does he go to the bench?

For the same reason as N/A.
STL needs the lineup this year to play for future considerations - and Mootbaar simply does not belong in that equation.
He is the same as he has always been - profiles best as a 4th outfielder/platoon/bench player.
Winn, Scott, Saggese, Gorman, Walker must get the PA's.
No choice but to find out what those 5 can do in 2025.
Donovan - as I alone correctly said for years - is and will always be better than Moot.
Which leaves Moot (with his April .212 BA and .303 SLG) odd man out - competing primarily with Burleson for playing time, getting match-up starts, coming off the bench (a good fit for his "walk first" mentality), etc.
Plenty of AB's for him - but not as a starter.
STL should have traded him when I advised.
Easy.
Obvious.
Correct.

You're so wrong. Sad you can't admit it.

Difficult.
Oblivious.
Incorrect.

[Shady]

Right now, there are quite a few #6 place type hitters in the lineup. Saggese is starting to look worthy of a top five spot in the batting order. Preferably #2 or #5.

[Melville]

If the goal is to use 2025 to make decisions for 2026 and belong, nothing has changed other than the fact Saggese should get more time and Mootbaar less.

Against RH starting pitchers:
Scott - CF
Winn - SS
Donovan - LF
Contreras -1B
Burleson - DH
Saggese - 2B
Gorman - 3B
Pages/Herrera - C
Walker - RF

Bench:
Arenado
Mootbaar
Siani
Note: N/A and Moot could start against LH pitching until each is traded.

Easy.
Obvious.
Correct.

Current rank among Card's qualified hitters for Noot:

OPS - 3rd
HR - 2nd
RBI - 2nd
Runs - 2nd
Hits - 3rd
BB - 1st
OBP - 2nd
SLG - 3rd

Now...why does he go to the bench?

For the same reason as N/A.
STL needs the lineup this year to play for future considerations - and Mootbaar simply does not belong in that equation.
He is the same as he has always been - profiles best as a 4th outfielder/platoon/bench player.
Winn, Scott, Saggese, Gorman, Walker must get the PA's.
No choice but to find out what those 5 can do in 2025.
Donovan - as I alone correctly said for years - is and will always be better than Moot.
Which leaves Moot (with his April .212 BA and .303 SLG) odd man out - competing primarily with Burleson for playing time, getting match-up starts, coming off the bench (a good fit for his "walk first" mentality), etc.
Plenty of AB's for him - but not as a starter.
STL should have traded him when I advised.
Easy.
Obvious.
Correct.

You're so wrong. Sad you can't admit it.

Difficult.
Oblivious.
Incorrect.

No team serious about being a contender would put Mootbaar into any consideration for a key role.
I was right about The Paper Tyler.
Right about The Poser.
And I am 100% correct about Lars the Human Sushi-baar.
Time after time the team puts its blind hope in the wrong players wanting them to be more than they are capable of.
They keep getting it wrong.
I never do.

[Shady]

If the goal is to use 2025 to make decisions for 2026 and belong, nothing has changed other than the fact Saggese should get more time and Mootbaar less.

Against RH starting pitchers:
Scott - CF
Winn - SS
Donovan - LF
Contreras -1B
Burleson - DH
Saggese - 2B
Gorman - 3B
Pages/Herrera - C
Walker - RF

Bench:
Arenado
Mootbaar
Siani
Note: N/A and Moot could start against LH pitching until each is traded.

Easy.
Obvious.
Correct.

Current rank among Card's qualified hitters for Noot:

OPS - 3rd
HR - 2nd
RBI - 2nd
Runs - 2nd
Hits - 3rd
BB - 1st
OBP - 2nd
SLG - 3rd

Now...why does he go to the bench?

For the same reason as N/A.
STL needs the lineup this year to play for future considerations - and Mootbaar simply does not belong in that equation.
He is the same as he has always been - profiles best as a 4th outfielder/platoon/bench player.
Winn, Scott, Saggese, Gorman, Walker must get the PA's.
No choice but to find out what those 5 can do in 2025.
Donovan - as I alone correctly said for years - is and will always be better than Moot.
Which leaves Moot (with his April .212 BA and .303 SLG) odd man out - competing primarily with Burleson for playing time, getting match-up starts, coming off the bench (a good fit for his "walk first" mentality), etc.
Plenty of AB's for him - but not as a starter.
STL should have traded him when I advised.
Easy.
Obvious.
Correct.

You're so wrong. Sad you can't admit it.

Difficult.
Oblivious.
Incorrect.

No team serious about being a contender would put Mootbaar into any consideration for a key role.
I was right about The Paper Tyler.
Right about The Poser.
And I am 100% correct about Lars the Human Sushi-baar.
Time after time the team puts its blind hope in the wrong players wanting them to be more than they are capable of.
They keep getting it wrong.
I never do.

Melville, do you feel Saggese is the real deal? If so, won't it be Saggese at 2B, Wetherholt at 3B and Winn at SS for the next number of seasons? With Donovan moving to LF. Any chance the Cardinals would consider moving Gorman to 1B to try to fit all the talented young infielders into the lineup?

[Cusecards]

If the goal is to use 2025 to make decisions for 2026 and belong, nothing has changed other than the fact Saggese should get more time and Mootbaar less.

Against RH starting pitchers:
Scott - CF
Winn - SS
Donovan - LF
Contreras -1B
Burleson - DH
Saggese - 2B
Gorman - 3B
Pages/Herrera - C
Walker - RF

Bench:
Arenado
Mootbaar
Siani
Note: N/A and Moot could start against LH pitching until each is traded.

Easy.
Obvious.
Correct.

Current rank among Card's qualified hitters for Noot:

OPS - 3rd
HR - 2nd
RBI - 2nd
Runs - 2nd
Hits - 3rd
BB - 1st
OBP - 2nd
SLG - 3rd

Now...why does he go to the bench?

For the same reason as N/A.
STL needs the lineup this year to play for future considerations - and Mootbaar simply does not belong in that equation.
He is the same as he has always been - profiles best as a 4th outfielder/platoon/bench player.
Winn, Scott, Saggese, Gorman, Walker must get the PA's.
No choice but to find out what those 5 can do in 2025.
Donovan - as I alone correctly said for years - is and will always be better than Moot.
Which leaves Moot (with his April .212 BA and .303 SLG) odd man out - competing primarily with Burleson for playing time, getting match-up starts, coming off the bench (a good fit for his "walk first" mentality), etc.
Plenty of AB's for him - but not as a starter.
STL should have traded him when I advised.
Easy.
Obvious.
Correct.

You're so wrong. Sad you can't admit it.

Difficult.
Oblivious.
Incorrect.

LMFAO
I almost spit my coffee out when I read this latest masterpiece from ME-ville the Sideshow Clown.

[scoutyjones2]

Does it matter what the lineup is? No matter who is on the field or on the bench they will not score enough overcome MO’s roster and Oli’s managing. The players know those two suck.

That makes no sense..the roster and lineup doesn't matter but Oli mismanages and the roster is no good?

[rockondlouie]

Noot - RF
Hererra - DH
Donny - LF
NADO - 3B
WillyC - 1B
Saggese - 2B
Pages/Pozo - C
Winn - SS
VSII - CF

[sikeston bulldog2]

Noot - RF
Hererra - DH
Donny - LF
NADO - 3B
WillyC - 1B
Saggese - 2B
Pages/Pozo - C
Winn - SS
VSII - CF

Not bad. Can Herrera handle the two spot. After the first inning, the possibility exists that Scott could be on second base four more times per game.

[rockondlouie]

Noot - RF
Hererra - DH
Donny - LF
NADO - 3B
WillyC - 1B
Saggese - 2B
Pages/Pozo - C
Winn - SS
VSII - CF

Not bad. Can Herrera handle the two spot. After the first inning, the possibility exists that Scott could be on second base four more times per game.

Absolutely, not only handle but (IMO) Hererra would thrive in the #2 hole!

It's time to stop wasting too many PA's on Burleson, he's nothing but a LHPH'er (I'd deal him).

I know this goes counter to giving Gorman & Walker 500 PA's but, again JMO but we may know who they are and they're not going to get much better.

[sikeston bulldog2]

Noot - RF
Hererra - DH
Donny - LF
NADO - 3B
WillyC - 1B
Saggese - 2B
Pages/Pozo - C
Winn - SS
VSII - CF

Not bad. Can Herrera handle the two spot. After the first inning, the possibility exists that Scott could be on second base four more times per game.

Absolutely, not only handle but (IMO) Hererra would thrive in the #2 hole!

It's time to stop wasting too many PA's on Burleson, he's nothing but a LHPH'er (I'd deal him).

I know this goes counter to giving Gorman & Walker 500 PA's but, again JMO but we may know who they are and they're not going to get much better.

It’s possible they are and will only be who they have become. Is that enough? That’s a real tough cut.

[rockondlouie]

Noot - RF
Hererra - DH
Donny - LF
NADO - 3B
WillyC - 1B
Saggese - 2B
Pages/Pozo - C
Winn - SS
VSII - CF

Not bad. Can Herrera handle the two spot. After the first inning, the possibility exists that Scott could be on second base four more times per game.

Absolutely, not only handle but (IMO) Hererra would thrive in the #2 hole!

It's time to stop wasting too many PA's on Burleson, he's nothing but a LHPH'er (I'd deal him).

I know this goes counter to giving Gorman & Walker 500 PA's but, again JMO but we may know who they are and they're not going to get much better.

It’s possible they are and will only be who they have become. Is that enough? That’s a real tough cut.

Every team has player like Gorman & Walker, hyped up but never live up to it.

How much time is enough? or Too much?

Who knows but I'm not seeing any improvement at the plate (although Walkers defense in RF has dramatically improved to where he's now league average and not hurting the team).

Unfortunately Walker's ceiling (IMO) is J. Heyward w/o the great defense in RF.

Gorman just doesn't make enough contact any more, not sure where he's going.