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Re: Ducks choke with 20 seconds left. Blues vs jets

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Hooking wrote: 16 Apr 2025 12:02 pm Blues have to beat the "best" teams in the playoffs to advance.

Vegas has lots of recent success including a cup. They know what it takes and they can do it.
Winnipeg has been perennial chokers and you know that will be in the backs of their minds come playoff time.


That said, I will take Binnington and the hot team over either and further into the playoffs.
Not going to take anything away from the accomplishment since it’s still the hardest trophy to win, but we had a lot break right for us in ‘19. A loaded Tampa team got bounced by the Jackets, memory fails me but something happened in the Vegas/Sharks series. I think to win again we’re really going to have to earn it, doubly so is all I mean. The path we have if we just made Conf Finals I’d throw a parade
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Re: Ducks choke with 20 seconds left. Blues vs jets

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Helleybuck choking in the playoffs is totally overblown. The teams that got into the playoffs the last couple years were not very good teams. You could argue it was below average play for him, but choking just seems misleading. And previous to last 2 seasons he has a .922 .913 .904 .931 save percentage in his playoff career.

bobrosvky last 5 playoffs .906 .915 .911 .841 .901

oetter .915 .895 .954

binner .949 .899 .851 .914

I don't see what Helleybuck is doing thats anything different than a team getting shelled in a short playoffs
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Re: Ducks choke with 20 seconds left. Blues vs jets

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Aesa wrote: 16 Apr 2025 13:53 pm
blues2112 wrote: 16 Apr 2025 13:49 pm
Aesa wrote: 16 Apr 2025 12:10 pm
Hooking wrote: 16 Apr 2025 12:02 pm Blues have to beat the "best" teams in the playoffs to advance.

Vegas has lots of recent success including a cup. They know what it takes and they can do it.
Winnipeg has been perennial chokers and you know that will be in the backs of their minds come playoff time.


That said, I will take Binnington and the hot team over either and further into the playoffs.
Vegas definitely does NOT want to play us. We scare them right now. Jets will fold like a cheap suit underestimating this team.
Over past two seasons, Blues have not beaten Vegas in regulation. This year, three losses and one shootout win. Last year, 1 OT win, 1 OT loss, 1 regulation loss.
Past history. This is NOT those teams.
Last two games were January 2025.
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Re: Ducks choke with 20 seconds left. Blues vs jets

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blues2112 wrote: 16 Apr 2025 15:11 pm
Aesa wrote: 16 Apr 2025 13:53 pm
blues2112 wrote: 16 Apr 2025 13:49 pm
Aesa wrote: 16 Apr 2025 12:10 pm
Hooking wrote: 16 Apr 2025 12:02 pm Blues have to beat the "best" teams in the playoffs to advance.

Vegas has lots of recent success including a cup. They know what it takes and they can do it.
Winnipeg has been perennial chokers and you know that will be in the backs of their minds come playoff time.


That said, I will take Binnington and the hot team over either and further into the playoffs.
Vegas definitely does NOT want to play us. We scare them right now. Jets will fold like a cheap suit underestimating this team.
Over past two seasons, Blues have not beaten Vegas in regulation. This year, three losses and one shootout win. Last year, 1 OT win, 1 OT loss, 1 regulation loss.
Past history. This is NOT those teams.
Last two games were January 2025.
Again, this is not that team. We have seen a metamorphisis recently that seems to have stuck pretty well in spite of a small regression and as evidenced by exceptional play last night.
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Re: Ducks choke with 20 seconds left. Blues vs jets

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callitwhatyouwant wrote: 16 Apr 2025 13:59 pm Helleybuck choking in the playoffs is totally overblown. The teams that got into the playoffs the last couple years were not very good teams. You could argue it was below average play for him, but choking just seems misleading. And previous to last 2 seasons he has a .922 .913 .904 .931 save percentage in his playoff career.

bobrosvky last 5 playoffs .906 .915 .911 .841 .901

oetter .915 .895 .954

binner .949 .899 .851 .914

I don't see what Helleybuck is doing thats anything different than a team getting shelled in a short playoffs
After winning the first game against the Avs the Jets lost the final by a combined score of 22-8.

Helleybuck went- 1-4 with a .864

I watched a couple of those games, and he gave up a lot of softies.

When I think about Helleybuck I always think of game 1 and 2 in 2019. The Blues just took the lead and Winnipeg is trying to tie and with 20 seconds left Binner makes this save:

https://youtu.be/8Jz54HLiq0U?si=GK_-ofbnOAyju0Wt&t=275

In Game 2 after Winnipeg came back to tie Helleybuck gives this one up:

https://youtu.be/AD7Xi5d4KQI?si=9I-Rk5zF7NOZvGn-&t=231

Tale of 2 different goalers.
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Re: Ducks choke with 20 seconds left. Blues vs jets

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netboy65 wrote: 16 Apr 2025 13:56 pm
Hooking wrote: 16 Apr 2025 12:02 pm Blues have to beat the "best" teams in the playoffs to advance.

Vegas has lots of recent success including a cup. They know what it takes and they can do it.
Winnipeg has been perennial chokers and you know that will be in the backs of their minds come playoff time.


That said, I will take Binnington and the hot team over either and further into the playoffs.
Not going to take anything away from the accomplishment since it’s still the hardest trophy to win, but we had a lot break right for us in ‘19. A loaded Tampa team got bounced by the Jackets, memory fails me but something happened in the Vegas/Sharks series. I think to win again we’re really going to have to earn it, doubly so is all I mean. The path we have if we just made Conf Finals I’d throw a parade
A lot went wrong too. Remember the Sharks obvious handpass? The announcers knew it, the fans knew it, everyone in the stadium knew it, even the Sharks knew it. Everyone but the refs on the ice saw it.

You can take ANY SC run and find lots of breaks that go each way for all teams. More of that stuff will happen this year too.
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Re: Ducks choke with 20 seconds left. Blues vs jets

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Hooking wrote: 17 Apr 2025 10:55 am
netboy65 wrote: 16 Apr 2025 13:56 pm
Hooking wrote: 16 Apr 2025 12:02 pm Blues have to beat the "best" teams in the playoffs to advance.

Vegas has lots of recent success including a cup. They know what it takes and they can do it.
Winnipeg has been perennial chokers and you know that will be in the backs of their minds come playoff time.


That said, I will take Binnington and the hot team over either and further into the playoffs.
Not going to take anything away from the accomplishment since it’s still the hardest trophy to win, but we had a lot break right for us in ‘19. A loaded Tampa team got bounced by the Jackets, memory fails me but something happened in the Vegas/Sharks series. I think to win again we’re really going to have to earn it, doubly so is all I mean. The path we have if we just made Conf Finals I’d throw a parade
A lot went wrong too. Remember the Sharks obvious handpass? The announcers knew it, the fans knew it, everyone in the stadium knew it, even the Sharks knew it. Everyone but the refs on the ice saw it.

You can take ANY SC run and find lots of breaks that go each way for all teams. More of that stuff will happen this year too.
All true, but I was mostly referring to the teams we had to face. We caught some breaks there for sure.
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Re: Ducks choke with 20 seconds left. Blues vs jets

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netboy65 wrote: 17 Apr 2025 11:31 am
Hooking wrote: 17 Apr 2025 10:55 am
netboy65 wrote: 16 Apr 2025 13:56 pm
Hooking wrote: 16 Apr 2025 12:02 pm Blues have to beat the "best" teams in the playoffs to advance.

Vegas has lots of recent success including a cup. They know what it takes and they can do it.
Winnipeg has been perennial chokers and you know that will be in the backs of their minds come playoff time.


That said, I will take Binnington and the hot team over either and further into the playoffs.
Not going to take anything away from the accomplishment since it’s still the hardest trophy to win, but we had a lot break right for us in ‘19. A loaded Tampa team got bounced by the Jackets, memory fails me but something happened in the Vegas/Sharks series. I think to win again we’re really going to have to earn it, doubly so is all I mean. The path we have if we just made Conf Finals I’d throw a parade
A lot went wrong too. Remember the Sharks obvious handpass? The announcers knew it, the fans knew it, everyone in the stadium knew it, even the Sharks knew it. Everyone but the refs on the ice saw it.

You can take ANY SC run and find lots of breaks that go each way for all teams. More of that stuff will happen this year too.
All true, but I was mostly referring to the teams we had to face. We caught some breaks there for sure.
True. They did get some help there. Boston was no joke though. Would TB have been tougher? Maybe. It did take 7.

I think Boston whining about the call that led to a Blues goal was a big one. If they all didnt stop playing the game to whine about the non-call maybe Perron doesn't score there. Who knows.
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