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Cranny wrote: 13 Apr 2025 07:39 am
OldRed wrote: 13 Apr 2025 07:35 am
Cranny wrote: 13 Apr 2025 07:29 am A shining light for the future. Does he play 2B, or replace Arenado?
My guess would be 2B.
Who replaces Arenado when the time comes? Saggese?
Gorman to third and JJ to second. Saggese eventually fills the Hurdy Gurdy role.
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craviduce wrote: 13 Apr 2025 10:00 am I respect all the opinions. That being said, I want to hopefully help erase some if not all of the myths going on here.

First, Saggese's arm isn't made for the left side of the infield. The loopty-loop throw is extremely weak/slow. That should eliminate him from 3B, but if you're not convinced, his footwork is atrocious. Maybe hard work in the offseason would make the foot work average, but his arm will never improve.

Second. Wetherholt as a "middle of the order bat". He has line drive power, not HR power. Maybe the in game power over the wall will come? I'm not convinced on that....at max he could be Tre Turner ~ one could dream.

Third. "Screwing over Wetherholt by playing him at SS in the minors" He can play anywhere on the diamond and play it well. Please, backseat another player and his Future Defensive failures brought upon by the Front Office.... Wetherholt will be fine. They sometimes make athletes like this, he can and has done it. 2B and 3B aren't foreign to him.

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I challenge you all to think outside the box...there's a possibility that Gorman or Winn or Saggese won't be here next season. It blows our minds, yes, but It's Chaim's show and rebuild come 2026.

It happens....be prepared for anything
I’d be shocked if Winn is traded.
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craviduce wrote: 13 Apr 2025 10:00 am I respect all the opinions. That being said, I want to hopefully help erase some if not all of the myths going on here.

First, Saggese's arm isn't made for the left side of the infield. The loopty-loop throw is extremely weak/slow. That should eliminate him from 3B, but if you're not convinced, his footwork is atrocious. Maybe hard work in the offseason would make the foot work average, but his arm will never improve.

Second. Wetherholt as a "middle of the order bat". He has line drive power, not HR power. Maybe the in game power over the wall will come? I'm not convinced on that....at max he could be Tre Turner ~ one could dream.

Third. "Screwing over Wetherholt by playing him at SS in the minors" He can play anywhere on the diamond and play it well. Please, backseat another player and his Future Defensive failures brought upon by the Front Office.... Wetherholt will be fine. They sometimes make athletes like this, he can and has done it. 2B and 3B aren't foreign to him.

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I challenge you all to think outside the box...there's a possibility that Gorman or Winn or Saggese won't be here next season. It blows our minds, yes, but It's Chaim's show and rebuild come 2026.

It happens....be prepared for anything
What about SS, he looks more than capable of playing SS. He has excellent body control and makes elite throws, he slings like a pro. Maysn has to stop and plant and leverage the big arm. IMO Saggese fielding strictly looks much better SSS.
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Alex Reyes Cy Young wrote: 13 Apr 2025 11:15 am
craviduce wrote: 13 Apr 2025 10:00 am I respect all the opinions. That being said, I want to hopefully help erase some if not all of the myths going on here.

First, Saggese's arm isn't made for the left side of the infield. The loopty-loop throw is extremely weak/slow. That should eliminate him from 3B, but if you're not convinced, his footwork is atrocious. Maybe hard work in the offseason would make the foot work average, but his arm will never improve.

Second. Wetherholt as a "middle of the order bat". He has line drive power, not HR power. Maybe the in game power over the wall will come? I'm not convinced on that....at max he could be Tre Turner ~ one could dream.

Third. "Screwing over Wetherholt by playing him at SS in the minors" He can play anywhere on the diamond and play it well. Please, backseat another player and his Future Defensive failures brought upon by the Front Office.... Wetherholt will be fine. They sometimes make athletes like this, he can and has done it. 2B and 3B aren't foreign to him.

-------

I challenge you all to think outside the box...there's a possibility that Gorman or Winn or Saggese won't be here next season. It blows our minds, yes, but It's Chaim's show and rebuild come 2026.

It happens....be prepared for anything
What about SS, he looks more than capable of playing SS. He has excellent body control and makes elite throws, he slings like a pro. Maysn has to stop and plant and leverage the big arm. IMO Saggese fielding strictly looks much better SSS.
he plays SS pretty well. I wouldn't be completely surprised if he sticks there. He's leaps and bounds better than Saggese at SS, but that's easy to do.

we have to remember that Winn gets to balls that Saggese will never get to, and that Wetherholt may have trouble getting to....yes, Winn has to stop and pivot but that's b/c his speed is taking him that way.
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I have no doubt he is going to hit. I just hope they don’t rush him. This year and next are probably rebuild years so no need to rush him.

As far as his position, I don’t see Winn going anywhere so JJ is ticketed for 2B. I don’t see a problem with him playing SS at AA. If he can play SS he can play 2B.

3B depends on trades. I can see Bloom making some trades next offseason to free up playing time. Probably should trade two of Arenado Gorman Donovan Burly to make room for playing time for the other two. If I could pick I would trade Gorman and Burly. Arenado would retire a Cardinal and Donovan is my super utility and DH playing every day.

2026
C Herrera
1B WC
2B JJ
SS Winn
3B NA
LF Noot
CF Scott
RF Walker
DH Utility Donovan
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kid is a stud, only issue was that shoulder, he stays healthy, it fully healed and he will be a cardinal for a long time
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AtillaTheBlue1 wrote: 13 Apr 2025 11:32 am kid is a stud, only issue was that shoulder, he stays healthy, it fully healed and he will be a cardinal for a long time
Shoulder?
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craviduce wrote: 13 Apr 2025 10:00 am I respect all the opinions. That being said, I want to hopefully help erase some if not all of the myths going on here.

First, Saggese's arm isn't made for the left side of the infield. The loopty-loop throw is extremely weak/slow. That should eliminate him from 3B, but if you're not convinced, his footwork is atrocious. Maybe hard work in the offseason would make the foot work average, but his arm will never improve.

Second. Wetherholt as a "middle of the order bat". He has line drive power, not HR power. Maybe the in game power over the wall will come? I'm not convinced on that....at max he could be Tre Turner ~ one could dream.

Third. "Screwing over Wetherholt by playing him at SS in the minors" He can play anywhere on the diamond and play it well. Please, backseat another player and his Future Defensive failures brought upon by the Front Office.... Wetherholt will be fine. They sometimes make athletes like this, he can and has done it. 2B and 3B aren't foreign to him.

-------

I challenge you all to think outside the box...there's a possibility that Gorman or Winn or Saggese won't be here next season. It blows our minds, yes, but It's Chaim's show and rebuild come 2026.

It happens....be prepared for anything
First, thx duce for your educated response

Second, I agree w/you 100% that one of those three could (will) be gone this coming offseason.

And I'll break shady's heart by saying I could also see Bumble's, as a throw in, if Bloom makes a BIG deal.

BIG changes are coming, including bye-bye to Oli (sorry scouty).
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It is good to see Wetherholt having some success hitting at AA. Keep in mind Wetherholt's current BA is .286 at AA. Another 23 year old infielder, Saggese, currently has a .471 BA at the MLB level. It is nice that both of these fine young hitters are now doing well.
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rockondlouie wrote: 13 Apr 2025 11:46 am
craviduce wrote: 13 Apr 2025 10:00 am I respect all the opinions. That being said, I want to hopefully help erase some if not all of the myths going on here.

First, Saggese's arm isn't made for the left side of the infield. The loopty-loop throw is extremely weak/slow. That should eliminate him from 3B, but if you're not convinced, his footwork is atrocious. Maybe hard work in the offseason would make the foot work average, but his arm will never improve.

Second. Wetherholt as a "middle of the order bat". He has line drive power, not HR power. Maybe the in game power over the wall will come? I'm not convinced on that....at max he could be Tre Turner ~ one could dream.

Third. "Screwing over Wetherholt by playing him at SS in the minors" He can play anywhere on the diamond and play it well. Please, backseat another player and his Future Defensive failures brought upon by the Front Office.... Wetherholt will be fine. They sometimes make athletes like this, he can and has done it. 2B and 3B aren't foreign to him.

-------

I challenge you all to think outside the box...there's a possibility that Gorman or Winn or Saggese won't be here next season. It blows our minds, yes, but It's Chaim's show and rebuild come 2026.

It happens....be prepared for anything
First, thx duce for your educated response

Second, I agree w/you 100% that one of those three could (will) be gone this coming offseason.

And I'll break shady's heart by saying I could also see Bumble's, as a throw in, if Bloom makes a BIG deal.

BIG changes are coming, including bye-bye to Oli (sorry scouty).
You ain't "breaking my heart" lol I'm disappointed in Burleson's current power production. But he has company in that concern.
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Shady wrote: 13 Apr 2025 12:05 pm
rockondlouie wrote: 13 Apr 2025 11:46 am
craviduce wrote: 13 Apr 2025 10:00 am I respect all the opinions. That being said, I want to hopefully help erase some if not all of the myths going on here.

First, Saggese's arm isn't made for the left side of the infield. The loopty-loop throw is extremely weak/slow. That should eliminate him from 3B, but if you're not convinced, his footwork is atrocious. Maybe hard work in the offseason would make the foot work average, but his arm will never improve.

Second. Wetherholt as a "middle of the order bat". He has line drive power, not HR power. Maybe the in game power over the wall will come? I'm not convinced on that....at max he could be Tre Turner ~ one could dream.

Third. "Screwing over Wetherholt by playing him at SS in the minors" He can play anywhere on the diamond and play it well. Please, backseat another player and his Future Defensive failures brought upon by the Front Office.... Wetherholt will be fine. They sometimes make athletes like this, he can and has done it. 2B and 3B aren't foreign to him.

-------

I challenge you all to think outside the box...there's a possibility that Gorman or Winn or Saggese won't be here next season. It blows our minds, yes, but It's Chaim's show and rebuild come 2026.

It happens....be prepared for anything
First, thx duce for your educated response

Second, I agree w/you 100% that one of those three could (will) be gone this coming offseason.

And I'll break shady's heart by saying I could also see Bumble's, as a throw in, if Bloom makes a BIG deal.

BIG changes are coming, including bye-bye to Oli (sorry scouty).
You ain't "breaking my heart" lol I'm disappointed in Burleson's current power production. But he has company in that concern.
What!

You've broken up w/The Bison? 8O
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Shady wrote: 13 Apr 2025 12:00 pm It is good to see Wetherholt having some success hitting at AA. Keep in mind Wetherholt's current BA is .286 at AA. Another 23 year old infielder, Saggese, currently has a .471 BA at the MLB level. It is nice that both of these fine young hitters are now doing well.
A couple other 23 year-olds are showing some nice potential at AA, Roby and Davis.
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First, Gorman gets the first shot at 3B.

Second, JJ has played both sides of 2B, so keeping him at SS for now makes sure the arm stays strong. Defensively, SS is the athletic position, while 2B is the skill set position. Having an athletic guy who knows how to play 2B is a big plus.

Third, Donovan's best defensive position has been 3B, if Gorman doesn't work out.
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Cranny wrote: 13 Apr 2025 07:39 am
OldRed wrote: 13 Apr 2025 07:35 am
Cranny wrote: 13 Apr 2025 07:29 am A shining light for the future. Does he play 2B, or replace Arenado?
My guess would be 2B.
Who replaces Arenado when the time comes? Saggese?
Um Gorman? Or trade Gorman for a Troy Glaus type?
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Another good game for Wetherholt today. On base 3 times, two hits including a double. Current BA is .313.
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Cranny wrote: 13 Apr 2025 07:29 am A shining light for the future. Does he play 2B, or replace Arenado?
Maybe Winn.
Gorman 3B
Donovan/Saggese 2B
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