I hope Binner isn’t hurt. He seemed off after the Perry hit

[seattleblue]

Yep that's my point. Overreaction to extremely foreseeable circumstance. It looks like it's part of the human condition tbh

The frustration and emotion is universal. The behavior and decision making are not … yup

That is not true.

Of course it’s true. You talking about one time for someone doesn’t make it universal. People respond to stimuli in different ways based on numerous variables/factors and and also learn through experience.

yep it's just me who has overreacted to foreseeable circumstances in his life.
You have never done that, my bad, I apologize for including you in the human condition

You’re saying something totally irrelevant. Of course I’ve overreacted and acted poorly. That has nothing to do with the fact that people respond differently based on their past, upbringing, temperament/disposition, hormones, fatigue …. On and on and on. Plus, experience is a factor as stated.

If your boss tells you that you need to stop acting like an in idiot … most people change their behavior or deal with the consequences because they 1 are incapable or 2 choose not to.

We don't need to waste a sunny PNW Sunday with this but I'm actually not saying something irrelevant nor am I singling you out in any way.
If anything, I stand for the idea that a pack of hyenas is every bit as bad as a bad actor, for the very reason that everybody's guilty. That is consistent with my perspective on Binnington. I've articulated my point, it's fine.

[Harry York 37]

We are here to discuss major league professional Ice Hockey, where a goddanged bare knuckle fistfight will not get an assault and battery arrest, even if it breaks bones, teeth, or ligaments, and/or and requires stitches. You sit in a box for five minutes and feel shame.'
Then you are free.

I wonder if 15% of the posters here played contact team sports at any level...much less a high-level.

The Blues team on the ice with Binner were a shell of what they were a month earlier, and the guts and courage and faith that had carried them so very far was almost drained. Binner saw it...like anyone who knows the game saw it.
Suddenly, a Giant of a Goon, who earned a Hart Trophy, an Art Ross, a Stanley Cup, two Olympic Gold and a few other assorted World Hockey Championship trophies in his prime.... decides to, literally, kick them in the face while they are down. With a hockey boot and skate blade.

You don't win 16 Playoff games as a rookie, or bring home Continental Tournament Trophies if you take it without a giant push back. Especially from an ice hockey player with Corey Perry's cred. Most especially from a guy with Corey Perry's cred. I bet Snuggerud's mom wouldn't take him for ice cream after the game if he took abuse like that and backed down.
Does anyone think Binner should have just taken it lying down?
He retaliated.
Vigorously.

His team had to kill the ensuing two minute power play. They did that with a vengeance and scored their first goal of the night, short-handed, which proved how much that encounter meant to them. Watching our oldest and most devious player put the puck in their net was the cherry on top.
Did Binner go "too far"? Not in my book.
What if he had taken it lying down? Perhaps he could have milked it a bit to see if Perry got a major penalty?
That is far from a certainty. And it would have left the door open for more of the same calculated, dangerous, punk-azzed cheapshots.
He responded in kind, and added an extra measure to be sure he was heard.
And his team, for as long as they were able, responded.

That team was on a wing and a prayer.
He did the right thing.
They would have lost 8-0 if he lets Perry get away with it. He night have been yanked, and then where would we be?
And, if we still made the playoffs , every head-hunter in the Western Conference would have a bounty on one of the Best Money Goalies in the NHL.

Did it put him off his game?
Yes.
I don't think he had any better options than to level that dirty pice of [shirt].
He will get over it.

[Harry York 37]

How many Cups did Hank win, again?
I forget.

[seattleblue]

I agree, let's remove the proposition that Hank agreed with Binnington. He don't even lift bro!

Every vet coach knows the route to the Cup is always by avenging wrongs after the whistle in front of the refs, I think it was Bowman who lit the way and they all followed. Bowman said gotta do it or else it's 8-0.

[Harry York 37]

I agree, let's remove the proposition that Hank agreed with Binnington. He don't even lift bro!

Every vet coach knows the route to the Cup is always by avenging wrongs after the whistle in front of the refs, I think it was Bowman who lit the way and they all followed. Bowman said gotta do it or else it's 8-0.

I apologize for hitting a nerve…

The 8-0 loss with Binner yanked was a supposition.
The fact that he woke his team up enough to not only kill the ( foolish, foolish!!!) power play his retaliation caused, and score a shorty in celebration … should be considered, eh?
Or do you discount that entirely?

please, spare me the”every coach knows” hyperbole, as I backed off from my supposition of what happens if Binner takes that attack lying down.

[seattleblue]

I agree, let's remove the proposition that Hank agreed with Binnington. He don't even lift bro!

Every vet coach knows the route to the Cup is always by avenging wrongs after the whistle in front of the refs, I think it was Bowman who lit the way and they all followed. Bowman said gotta do it or else it's 8-0.

I apologize for hitting a nerve…

The 8-0 loss with Binner yanked was a supposition.
The fact that he woke his team up enough to not only kill the ( foolish, foolish!!!) power play his retaliation caused, and score a shorty in celebration … should be considered, eh?
Or do you discount that entirely?

please, spare me the”every coach knows” hyperbole, as I backed off from my supposition of what happens if Binner takes that attack lying down.

You neither hit a nerve nor are you apologizing. it's fine. You were invoking my argument because I mentioned Hank. The thing you said about Hank made me laugh because it was just such a rant that you didn't even notice he was mentioned to agree with you which is kind of sad my friend. It's ok maybe you won't do it tomorrow, I give everyone second chances if they simply take them.

[theograce]

what happens if Binner takes that attack lying down.

Binnington was attacked? Sounds serious

[Harry York 37]

I agree, let's remove the proposition that Hank agreed with Binnington. He don't even lift bro!

Every vet coach knows the route to the Cup is always by avenging wrongs after the whistle in front of the refs, I think it was Bowman who lit the way and they all followed. Bowman said gotta do it or else it's 8-0.

I apologize for hitting a nerve…

The 8-0 loss with Binner yanked was a supposition.
The fact that he woke his team up enough to not only kill the ( foolish, foolish!!!) power play his retaliation caused, and score a shorty in celebration … should be considered, eh?
Or do you discount that entirely?

please, spare me the”every coach knows” hyperbole, as I backed off from my supposition of what happens if Binner takes that attack lying down.

You neither hit a nerve nor are you apologizing. it's fine. You were invoking my argument because I mentioned Hank. The thing you said about Hank made me laugh because it was just such a rant that you didn't even notice he was mentioned to agree with you which is kind of sad my friend. It's ok maybe you won't do it tomorrow, I give everyone second chances if they simply take them.

Bull.

I understood that Hank agreed with retaliating. I felt that his response was a weak half- measure and would be absolutely ineffective against Corey Perry or Kadri or Pronger….

Save your condolences for Hank. If he had more fire in his belly he might have an extra ring on his fingers.

Playoffs are where goalies get run and players get criminally dirty.
If that displeases you, you should concentrate on low stakes ice hockey.

[seattleblue]

I agree, let's remove the proposition that Hank agreed with Binnington. He don't even lift bro!

Every vet coach knows the route to the Cup is always by avenging wrongs after the whistle in front of the refs, I think it was Bowman who lit the way and they all followed. Bowman said gotta do it or else it's 8-0.

I apologize for hitting a nerve…

The 8-0 loss with Binner yanked was a supposition.
The fact that he woke his team up enough to not only kill the ( foolish, foolish!!!) power play his retaliation caused, and score a shorty in celebration … should be considered, eh?
Or do you discount that entirely?

please, spare me the”every coach knows” hyperbole, as I backed off from my supposition of what happens if Binner takes that attack lying down.

You neither hit a nerve nor are you apologizing. it's fine. You were invoking my argument because I mentioned Hank. The thing you said about Hank made me laugh because it was just such a rant that you didn't even notice he was mentioned to agree with you which is kind of sad my friend. It's ok maybe you won't do it tomorrow, I give everyone second chances if they simply take them.

Bull.

I understood that Hank agreed with retaliating. I felt that his response was a weak half- measure and would be absolutely ineffective against Corey Perry or Kadri or Pronger….

Save your condolences for Hank. If he had more fire in his belly he might have an extra ring on his fingers.

Playoffs are where goalies get run and players get criminally dirty.
If that displeases you, you should concentrate on low stakes ice hockey.

In fact I grasp your "going on the PK was good, actually" argument. I have played poker against people like you, who shove their pocket deuces against two kings because sometimes it wins. It does, occasionally! Pros wait for people like you to come to the table. They don't mind the emotional digging in and clinging to the behavior. I don't know what you want to hear. 

Coaches in the playoffs send the Perrys into the crease to get the other team to react. It's a widely used strategy; maybe you haven't ever played a contact sport (?), but in them, men contact each other to try to get them off their game as a standard competition aspect. It's up to the men who get jostled not to lose their mud just because they are right, that's what children do. They set aside being right for being correct because they're trying to win the title. 

Let's talk tomorrow, or later, or not. But in the future don't do the obviously insincere "I'm glad you're here!" bit because half the time that's all conditional on whether you disagree with me once.

[Harry York 37]

I am glad you are here. You present your posts more reasonably than most people here.

You have pretty thin skin and have shown that more than once. That is annoying, but I can deal with it as you have seen. And I do value your insights on the prospects.

It was the angst over Binner’s display which threatened to ruin your idyllic PNW afternoon that started me thinking.
I have played bloody and broken bone contact sports at a very high level until my mid forties.
I like the Sean Connery quote from the Untouchables:
They put one of yours in the hospital, you put one of theirs in the MORGUE!

Tell me your background as you have questioned mine.

If Binner doesn’t put an end to getting run now, he will face the usual criminals in the coming weeks… if he is lucky.
Petro’s incredibly pussified slash on Draisaitl two years ago ended his magical season, and knocked the Oil out of a Cup chance two years ago. Drai still played, cuz he is a stud, but the record setting scoring streak he was on was killed by that vicious and cold blooded slash.

Criminal stuff happens in the NHL.
I commend Binner for his immediate retaliation against it.

Calling what Perry did to Binner “Jostling” is inaccurate- even in a he man contact game.

[seattleblue]

I am glad you are here. You present your posts more reasonably than most people here.

You have pretty thin skin and have shown that more than once. That is annoying, but I can deal with it as you have seen. And I do value your insights on the prospects.

It was the angst over Binner’s display which threatened to ruin your idyllic PNW afternoon that started me thinking.
I have played bloody and broken bone contact sports at a very high level until my mid forties.
I like the Sean Connery quote from the Untouchables:
They put one of yours in the hospital, you put one of theirs in the MORGUE!

Tell me your background as you have questioned mine.

If Binner doesn’t put an end to getting run now, he will face the usual criminals in the coming weeks… if he is lucky.
Petro’s incredibly pussified slash on Draisaitl two years ago ended his magical season, and knocked the Oil out of a Cup chance two years ago. Drai still played, cuz he is a stud, but the record setting scoring streak he was on was killed by that vicious and cold blooded slash.

Criminal stuff happens in the NHL.
I commend Binner for his immediate retaliation against it.

Calling what Perry did to Binner “Jostling” is inaccurate- even in a he man contact game.

I have been posting for decades about the Blues and I am often opinionated and often right but plenty of times wrong but some of those times I am right I am right ahead of the curve. Here's one example, Ryan Miller.

As one would expect, I have been the target of lets call them the hyenas. The people who bristle at different opinions than they have and almost immediately manage to turn it to a conversation about the person. Then it comes in waves and bunches. You've seen this dynamic, it has been going on mostly nonstop for the many years while I wasn't posting here. It's not me, it's a dynamic.

Just because I replied to you in kind does not mean I agree to your choice of reply. I wouldn't ever use an argument like "you can't understand this issue for lack of playing a contact sport." With all due respect I reject that idea or criteria even though I mirrored it with you.

You clearly were referencing my mention of Hank, didn't quote me, used sarcasm. I literally just mirrored what you did. I didn't quote you, I used sarcasm. Then you personalized it, then I personalized it.

Because of the nature of (gestures at the hyenas), I have to have a code. I basically treat others as they treat me. You know why I do that? because that is how the world works my friend. People treat others how those people treat them. Nobody's really much better or worse at that, in the end. You judge me for literally and consciously mirroring your exact replying format. You should maybe think about that. Is my 'thin skin' you really just externalizing your own discomfort maybe? As you note with the Binnington discussion, if you don't pop someone back in the chops suddenly it's 8-0 against, right? Hyenas. But that's here. There's no huge silver Cup at stake here. Just a discussion grind. Maybe you just haven't walked in my shoes enough.

I played baseball from very early, racquetball, some HS football, and rowed some in college. Beginning 30 years ago yesterday I tested my grit and stamina by walking thousands of miles across the US alone without a weapon or cell phone for the better part of two years. Pretty stout vision quest instead of working on Wall Street like a lemming. Does that mean something as far as me remembering Berube told Binnington that getting physically involved was interfering with his game?

If you judge it one way or the other, (and I assume there'll be a reason I'm not man enough etc,) would you still act as though Berube didn't do that since he obviously meets the threshold of being a real man, thus meeting your rules of who gets to even comment? I am in agreement with Berube's take on how it affects Binnington's game to get physically involved, and I have clearly shown a willingness to think about why Binnington did what he did. Therefore continuing to convince me why he did what he did was right has nothing to do with being correct which is what I am talking about.

[Bubble4427]

I am glad you are here. You present your posts more reasonably than most people here.

You have pretty thin skin and have shown that more than once. That is annoying, but I can deal with it as you have seen. And I do value your insights on the prospects.

It was the angst over Binner’s display which threatened to ruin your idyllic PNW afternoon that started me thinking.
I have played bloody and broken bone contact sports at a very high level until my mid forties.
I like the Sean Connery quote from the Untouchables:
They put one of yours in the hospital, you put one of theirs in the MORGUE!

Tell me your background as you have questioned mine.

If Binner doesn’t put an end to getting run now, he will face the usual criminals in the coming weeks… if he is lucky.
Petro’s incredibly pussified slash on Draisaitl two years ago ended his magical season, and knocked the Oil out of a Cup chance two years ago. Drai still played, cuz he is a stud, but the record setting scoring streak he was on was killed by that vicious and cold blooded slash.

Criminal stuff happens in the NHL.
I commend Binner for his immediate retaliation against it.

Calling what Perry did to Binner “Jostling” is inaccurate- even in a he man contact game.

I have been posting for decades about the Blues and I am often opinionated and often right but plenty of times wrong but some of those times I am right I am right ahead of the curve. Here's one example, Ryan Miller.

As one would expect, I have been the target of lets call them the hyenas. The people who bristle at different opinions than they have and almost immediately manage to turn it to a conversation about the person. Then it comes in waves and bunches. You've seen this dynamic, it has been going on mostly nonstop for the many years while I wasn't posting here. It's not me, it's a dynamic.

Just because I replied to you in kind does not mean I agree to your choice of reply. I wouldn't ever use an argument like "you can't understand this issue for lack of playing a contact sport." With all due respect I reject that idea or criteria even though I mirrored it with you.

You clearly were referencing my mention of Hank, didn't quote me, used sarcasm. I literally just mirrored what you did. I didn't quote you, I used sarcasm. Then you personalized it, then I personalized it.

Because of the nature of (gestures at the hyenas), I have to have a code. I basically treat others as they treat me. You know why I do that? because that is how the world works my friend. People treat others how those people treat them. Nobody's really much better or worse at that, in the end. You judge me for literally and consciously mirroring your exact replying format. You should maybe think about that. Is my 'thin skin' you really just externalizing your own discomfort maybe? As you note with the Binnington discussion, if you don't pop someone back in the chops suddenly it's 8-0 against, right? Hyenas. But that's here. There's no huge silver Cup at stake here. Just a discussion grind. Maybe you just haven't walked in my shoes enough.

I played baseball from very early, racquetball, some HS football, and rowed some in college. Beginning 30 years ago yesterday I tested my grit and stamina by walking thousands of miles across the US alone without a weapon or cell phone for the better part of two years. Pretty stout vision quest instead of working on Wall Street like a lemming. Does that mean something as far as me remembering Berube told Binnington that getting physically involved was interfering with his game?

If you judge it one way or the other, (and I assume there'll be a reason I'm not man enough etc,) would you still act as though Berube didn't do that since he obviously meets the threshold of being a real man, thus meeting your rules of who gets to even comment? I am in agreement with Berube's take on how it affects Binnington's game to get physically involved, and I have clearly shown a willingness to think about why Binnington did what he did. Therefore continuing to convince me why he did what he did was right has nothing to do with being correct which is what I am talking about.

I have no problem with what Binnington did.
Berube was Binnington’s coach…but he is not the coach now. If Monty has a problem with what Binnington did, I’m sure he will have that discussion. Billy Smith, Ron Hextall….some goalies are known to be hot heads. It doesn’t mean that it takes away from their game either.
Right or wrong, I have a ton of respect for someone that at least “pushes back” when he feels someone has taken liberties against them.

I don’t agree with EVERY decision that Binnington has made during some of his altercations…but this one?, he was 100% right in what he did.

[Harry York 37]

[quote="Harry York 37" post_id=12998537 time=<a href="tel:1744750295">1744750295</a> user_id=335529]
I am glad you are here. You present your posts more reasonably than most people here.

You have pretty thin skin and have shown that more than once. That is annoying, but I can deal with it as you have seen. And I do value your insights on the prospects.

It was the angst over Binner’s display which threatened to ruin your idyllic PNW afternoon that started me thinking.
I have played bloody and broken bone contact sports at a very high level until my mid forties.
I like the Sean Connery quote from the Untouchables:
They put one of yours in the hospital, you put one of theirs in the MORGUE!

Tell me your background as you have questioned mine.

If Binner doesn’t put an end to getting run now, he will face the usual criminals in the coming weeks… if he is lucky.
Petro’s incredibly pussified slash on Draisaitl two years ago ended his magical season, and knocked the Oil out of a Cup chance two years ago. Drai still played, cuz he is a stud, but the record setting scoring streak he was on was killed by that vicious and cold blooded slash.

Criminal stuff happens in the NHL.
I commend Binner for his immediate retaliation against it.

Calling what Perry did to Binner “Jostling” is inaccurate- even in a he man contact game.

I have been posting for decades about the Blues and I am often opinionated and often right but plenty of times wrong but some of those times I am right I am right ahead of the curve. Here's one example, Ryan Miller.

As one would expect, I have been the target of lets call them the hyenas. The people who bristle at different opinions than they have and almost immediately manage to turn it to a conversation about the person. Then it comes in waves and bunches. You've seen this dynamic, it has been going on mostly nonstop for the many years while I wasn't posting here. It's not me, it's a dynamic.

Just because I replied to you in kind does not mean I agree to your choice of reply. I wouldn't ever use an argument like "you can't understand this issue for lack of playing a contact sport." With all due respect I reject that idea or criteria even though I mirrored it with you.

You clearly were referencing my mention of Hank, didn't quote me, used sarcasm. I literally just mirrored what you did. I didn't quote you, I used sarcasm. Then you personalized it, then I personalized it.

Because of the nature of (gestures at the hyenas), I have to have a code. I basically treat others as they treat me. You know why I do that? because that is how the world works my friend. People treat others how those people treat them. Nobody's really much better or worse at that, in the end. You judge me for literally and consciously mirroring your exact replying format. You should maybe think about that. Is my 'thin skin' you really just externalizing your own discomfort maybe? As you note with the Binnington discussion, if you don't pop someone back in the chops suddenly it's 8-0 against, right? Hyenas. But that's here. There's no huge silver Cup at stake here. Just a discussion grind. Maybe you just haven't walked in my shoes enough.

I played baseball from very early, racquetball, some HS football, and rowed some in college. Beginning 30 years ago yesterday I tested my grit and stamina by walking thousands of miles across the US alone without a weapon or cell phone for the better part of two years. Pretty stout vision quest instead of working on Wall Street like a lemming. Does that mean something as far as me remembering Berube told Binnington that getting physically involved was interfering with his game?

If you judge it one way or the other, (and I assume there'll be a reason I'm not man enough etc,) would you still act as though Berube didn't do that since he obviously meets the threshold of being a real man, thus meeting your rules of who gets to even comment? I am in agreement with Berube's take on how it affects Binnington's game to get physically involved, and I have clearly shown a willingness to think about why Binnington did what he did. Therefore continuing to convince me why he did what he did was right has nothing to do with being correct which is what I am talking about.
[/quote]

I am glad you are here. You present your posts more reasonably than most people here.

You have pretty thin skin and have shown that more than once. That is annoying, but I can deal with it as you have seen. And I do value your insights on the prospects.

It was the angst over Binner’s display which threatened to ruin your idyllic PNW afternoon that started me thinking.
I have played bloody and broken bone contact sports at a very high level until my mid forties.
I like the Sean Connery quote from the Untouchables:
They put one of yours in the hospital, you put one of theirs in the MORGUE!

Tell me your background as you have questioned mine.

If Binner doesn’t put an end to getting run now, he will face the usual criminals in the coming weeks… if he is lucky.
Petro’s incredibly pussified slash on Draisaitl two years ago ended his magical season, and knocked the Oil out of a Cup chance two years ago. Drai still played, cuz he is a stud, but the record setting scoring streak he was on was killed by that vicious and cold blooded slash.

Criminal stuff happens in the NHL.
I commend Binner for his immediate retaliation against it.

Calling what Perry did to Binner “Jostling” is inaccurate- even in a he man contact game.

I have been posting for decades about the Blues and I am often opinionated and often right but plenty of times wrong but some of those times I am right I am right ahead of the curve. Here's one example, Ryan Miller.

As one would expect, I have been the target of lets call them the hyenas. The people who bristle at different opinions than they have and almost immediately manage to turn it to a conversation about the person. Then it comes in waves and bunches. You've seen this dynamic, it has been going on mostly nonstop for the many years while I wasn't posting here. It's not me, it's a dynamic.

Just because I replied to you in kind does not mean I agree to your choice of reply. I wouldn't ever use an argument like "you can't understand this issue for lack of playing a contact sport." With all due respect I reject that idea or criteria even though I mirrored it with you.

You clearly were referencing my mention of Hank, didn't quote me, used sarcasm. I literally just mirrored what you did. I didn't quote you, I used sarcasm. Then you personalized it, then I personalized it.

Because of the nature of (gestures at the hyenas), I have to have a code. I basically treat others as they treat me. You know why I do that? because that is how the world works my friend. People treat others how those people treat them. Nobody's really much better or worse at that, in the end. You judge me for literally and consciously mirroring your exact replying format. You should maybe think about that. Is my 'thin skin' you really just externalizing your own discomfort maybe? As you note with the Binnington discussion, if you don't pop someone back in the chops suddenly it's 8-0 against, right? Hyenas. But that's here. There's no huge silver Cup at stake here. Just a discussion grind. Maybe you just haven't walked in my shoes enough.

I played baseball from very early, racquetball, some HS football, and rowed some in college. Beginning 30 years ago yesterday I tested my grit and stamina by walking thousands of miles across the US alone without a weapon or cell phone for the better part of two years. Pretty stout vision quest instead of working on Wall Street like a lemming. Does that mean something as far as me remembering Berube told Binnington that getting physically involved was interfering with his game?

If you judge it one way or the other, (and I assume there'll be a reason I'm not man enough etc,) would you still act as though Berube didn't do that since he obviously meets the threshold of being a real man, thus meeting your rules of who gets to even comment? I am in agreement with Berube's take on how it affects Binnington's game to get physically involved, and I have clearly shown a willingness to think about why Binnington did what he did. Therefore continuing to convince me why he did what he did was right has nothing to do with being correct which is what I am talking about.

Your skin is, sadly, even thinner than I thought.

I hit a giant nerve….

I neither quoted you, nor did I mention your name. I heard what Hank said, myself, and disagreed with it then. Whacking at Perry’s legs is weak sauce for getting booted in the face as you lie defenseless on the ice in a critical game.

Calling that jostling is disingenuous and I would have thought, beneath you.
I was wrong about that.


You were dead nuts wrong on this one partner.
Binner did exactly the right thing.


I have admitted being dead wrong at least twice on this forum this year.
I have no need to apologize for a goddanged thing tonight.

Let’s go Blues.

[Wattage]

I am glad you are here. You present your posts more reasonably than most people here.

You have pretty thin skin and have shown that more than once. That is annoying, but I can deal with it as you have seen. And I do value your insights on the prospects.

It was the angst over Binner’s display which threatened to ruin your idyllic PNW afternoon that started me thinking.
I have played bloody and broken bone contact sports at a very high level until my mid forties.
I like the Sean Connery quote from the Untouchables:
They put one of yours in the hospital, you put one of theirs in the MORGUE!

Tell me your background as you have questioned mine.

If Binner doesn’t put an end to getting run now, he will face the usual criminals in the coming weeks… if he is lucky.
Petro’s incredibly pussified slash on Draisaitl two years ago ended his magical season, and knocked the Oil out of a Cup chance two years ago. Drai still played, cuz he is a stud, but the record setting scoring streak he was on was killed by that vicious and cold blooded slash.

Criminal stuff happens in the NHL.
I commend Binner for his immediate retaliation against it.

Calling what Perry did to Binner “Jostling” is inaccurate- even in a he man contact game.

I have been posting for decades about the Blues and I am often opinionated and often right but plenty of times wrong but some of those times I am right I am right ahead of the curve. Here's one example, Ryan Miller.

As one would expect, I have been the target of lets call them the hyenas. The people who bristle at different opinions than they have and almost immediately manage to turn it to a conversation about the person. Then it comes in waves and bunches. You've seen this dynamic, it has been going on mostly nonstop for the many years while I wasn't posting here. It's not me, it's a dynamic.

Just because I replied to you in kind does not mean I agree to your choice of reply. I wouldn't ever use an argument like "you can't understand this issue for lack of playing a contact sport." With all due respect I reject that idea or criteria even though I mirrored it with you.

You clearly were referencing my mention of Hank, didn't quote me, used sarcasm. I literally just mirrored what you did. I didn't quote you, I used sarcasm. Then you personalized it, then I personalized it.

Because of the nature of (gestures at the hyenas), I have to have a code. I basically treat others as they treat me. You know why I do that? because that is how the world works my friend. People treat others how those people treat them. Nobody's really much better or worse at that, in the end. You judge me for literally and consciously mirroring your exact replying format. You should maybe think about that. Is my 'thin skin' you really just externalizing your own discomfort maybe? As you note with the Binnington discussion, if you don't pop someone back in the chops suddenly it's 8-0 against, right? Hyenas. But that's here. There's no huge silver Cup at stake here. Just a discussion grind. Maybe you just haven't walked in my shoes enough.

I played baseball from very early, racquetball, some HS football, and rowed some in college. Beginning 30 years ago yesterday I tested my grit and stamina by walking thousands of miles across the US alone without a weapon or cell phone for the better part of two years. Pretty stout vision quest instead of working on Wall Street like a lemming. Does that mean something as far as me remembering Berube told Binnington that getting physically involved was interfering with his game?

If you judge it one way or the other, (and I assume there'll be a reason I'm not man enough etc,) would you still act as though Berube didn't do that since he obviously meets the threshold of being a real man, thus meeting your rules of who gets to even comment? I am in agreement with Berube's take on how it affects Binnington's game to get physically involved, and I have clearly shown a willingness to think about why Binnington did what he did. Therefore continuing to convince me why he did what he did was right has nothing to do with being correct which is what I am talking about.

I have no problem with what Binnington did.
Berube was Binnington’s coach…but he is not the coach now. If Monty has a problem with what Binnington did, I’m sure he will have that discussion. Billy Smith, Ron Hextall….some goalies are known to be hot heads. It doesn’t mean that it takes away from their game either.
Right or wrong, I have a ton of respect for someone that at least “pushes back” when he feels someone has taken liberties against them.

I don’t agree with EVERY decision that Binnington has made during some of his altercations…but this one?, he was 100% right in what he did.

Alao worth noting that while binnington has had a history of blowing up several times a season, hes actually been pretty calm and not had a blowup since about the 2021-2022 season. This was an exception. He phased that out of his game mostly but took anger to that hit to the mask