Game is tied and not being aggressive

[OldRed]

When the game was tied Donovan should have been sent from third. You are either out or if you are safe you win. I hate it when they are not aggressive. I said it at the time. Also why did it take so many pitches before Scott took second in the 11th? What happened to being aggressive?

[Ozziesfan41]

When the game was tied Donovan should have been sent from third. You are either out or if you are safe you win. I hate it when they are not aggressive. I said it at the time. Also why did it take so many pitches before Scott took second in the 11th? What happened to being aggressive?

If the throw was decent and he went he would have been out and it wouldn’t have even been close and everyone would be saying that was the worst base running anyone has ever seen and the third base coach should be fired. Aggression is good dumb aggression is dumb

[ramfandan]

When the game was tied Donovan should have been sent from third. You are either out or if you are safe you win. I hate it when they are not aggressive. I said it at the time. Also why did it take so many pitches before Scott took second in the 11th? What happened to being aggressive?

If the throw was decent and he went he would have been out and it wouldn’t have even been close and everyone would be saying that was the worst base running anyone has ever seen and the third base coach should be fired. Aggression is good dumb aggression is dumb

So true.. plus whrn next guy gets game winning hit, the forum says
Thank God Donnie wasn’t sent home to be dead duck,

[ramfandan]

When the game was tied Donovan should have been sent from third. You are either out or if you are safe you win. I hate it when they are not aggressive. I said it at the time. Also why did it take so many pitches before Scott took second in the 11th? What happened to being aggressive?

Why should Scott take 2nd ? Thr Cards we’re down multiple runs not one behind. Scott’s run is meaningless.

[Carp4Cy]

When the game was tied Donovan should have been sent from third. You are either out or if you are safe you win. I hate it when they are not aggressive. I said it at the time. Also why did it take so many pitches before Scott took second in the 11th? What happened to being aggressive?

If the throw was decent and he went he would have been out and it wouldn’t have even been close and everyone would be saying that was the worst base running anyone has ever seen and the third base coach should be fired. Aggression is good dumb aggression is dumb

So true.. plus whrn next guy gets game winning hit, the forum says
Thank God Donnie wasn’t sent home to be dead duck,

That wouldn't have been the worst baserunning play ever. The rule is - never make the 3rd out at 3rd base or the 2nd out at HP. If you make the 3rd out trying to score, that's just being normal agressing, not stupid, because once the 2nd out was caught, a sac fly by the next batter no longer can score you and it takes a basehit, which is a lot less likely than a 1 out situation at 3rd where either a hit or a SF can score you.

[No-Mo-Mo]

When the game was tied Donovan should have been sent from third. You are either out or if you are safe you win. I hate it when they are not aggressive. I said it at the time. Also why did it take so many pitches before Scott took second in the 11th? What happened to being aggressive?

Aggression is good. You make the fielder make a throw to get the out. You also have to read the circumstances. Runners speed, where the ball is hit, fielders arm, etc. In this case, you have a ball hit to the line which takes Trout in and off to foul line and not in a straight line. He then would have to catch and after the momentum plant his feet and throw. Donovan isn't fast but he might have made it.

Also, go back to the World Series with KC and SF where in the deciding game and last inning the 3rd base coach held up the tying run on a two throw relay at 3rd base only for the next out to be a pop up to the third baseman.

Sometimes you just have to take your chances. It wouldn't have been a mistake to have sent Donovan in this game.

[Boooyah]

When the game was tied Donovan should have been sent from third. You are either out or if you are safe you win. I hate it when they are not aggressive. I said it at the time. Also why did it take so many pitches before Scott took second in the 11th? What happened to being aggressive?

It’s easy to say after the fact. It the throw was perfect, you probably wouldn’t have started this thread. By sending Donovan there you’re basically hoping for a bad throw. It’s a tough call either way.

[OldRed]

In my opinion and it was not a second guess, he should have been sent. It still takes a good throw, a catch by the catcher and a tag. You are home, the game is tied, you go for the win.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ow0m1f_sT4c

[12xu]

I agree with Ricky Horton on the post game. The pop up down the first base line to Trout was way too shallow. Trout has a helluva strong arm. The right decision was not to send Donovan. If the throw was on line Donovan would have been out by 5 feet. Even as high and off target as Trout's throw was, as Horton said last night, he may still have been tagged out.

Most of the folks calling Donovan a moron, and Warner an idiot, would have been just as critical after the game if Donovan would have gotten thrown out trying to score on such a pop up.

[OldRed]

I agree with Ricky Horton on the post game. The pop up down the first base line to Trout was way too shallow. Trout has a helluva strong arm. The right decision was not to send Donovan. If the throw was on line Donovan would have been out by 5 feet. Even as high and off target as Trout's throw was, as Horton said last night, he may still have been tagged out.

Most of the folks calling Donovan a moron, and Warner an idiot, would have been just as critical after the game if Donovan would have gotten thrown out trying to score on such a pop up.

I prefer being aggressive and forcing the play. They would still been tied even if tagged out. Be aggressive and try to win the game. Of course, Horton would agree, that is his job not to be objective.

[Ozziesfan41]

There have been a lot of cardinals players thrown out at home by a lot and never once did any one on cards talk say good baserunning lol its always how dumb can he be he had no chance worst baserunning ever blah blah blah and that's what would have happened if he had been sent and it was anything but a bad throw. To hear people on here say it if there's a single to the outfield and a runner on first send them home sure 99% of the time they will be thrown out but hey there's a slight chance they may be safe so just send them. Not one person would have defended it if he was thrown out just like they dont defend the runners thrown out at home any other time. Stupid aggressive is never a good strategy it would have been embarrassing how far he would have been thrown out by on anything but a bad throw

[OldRed]

A huge difference on the road and being at home. Just a big mistake in two games.

[Ozziesfan41]

A huge difference on the road and being at home. Just a big mistake in two games.

No running into easy outs is dumb no matter the situation and not one person would have defended it when he was thrown out by a mile

[Dewey Kuey]

A huge difference on the road and being at home. Just a big mistake in two games.

This was a total blunder today. That ball was in Pham's glove before Siani ever got to third. Warner should have stopped him. It was an easy call in this game situation, a no brainer. The incompetence that I see just amazes me. How some of these guys keep their jobs is unreal.

[12xu]

A huge difference on the road and being at home. Just a big mistake in two games.

This was a total blunder today. That ball was in Pham's glove before Siani ever got to third. Warner should have stopped him. It was an easy call in this game situation, a no brainer. The incompetence that I see just amazes me. How some of these guys keep their jobs is unreal.

yes it was totally wrong to send Siani on that one hop liner to Pham. There was nobody out. Warner should have held Siani at third, and the Cardinals then would've had 3 AB to get him home with the go ahead run. His decision was aggressive, but stupid.

[OldRed]

A huge difference on the road and being at home. Just a big mistake in two games.

This was a total blunder today. That ball was in Pham's glove before Siani ever got to third. Warner should have stopped him. It was an easy call in this game situation, a no brainer. The incompetence that I see just amazes me. How some of these guys keep their jobs is unreal.

yes it was totally wrong to send Siani on that one hop liner to Pham. There was nobody out. Warner should have held Siani at third, and the Cardinals then would've had 3 AB to get him home with the go ahead run. His decision was aggressive, but stupid.

My point from the beginning it is totally different being aggressive at home than on the road. To me it was two mistakes made by Warner.