Liberatore is not a SP

[Talkin' Baseball]

I disagree. And I didn't think I'd say that. Libby's been about as good as you could hope for our #5

Name me all the teams that have 5th starters with 5.84 eras that start a full year. No a near 6 era is not as good as you can hope for from a 5th starter. Good grief. Bit would rank as bottim 3 in the league most years. Plenty of teams have 5th starters with sub 5 eras

If these are the numbers after 20-30 starts, I may come around to your way of thinking because as has been mentioned- he is good in the pen. I want to see if he can be good as a starter, and now is the time to see. I think he can be. If so, he is much more valuable as a starter.

[Futuregm2]

Best FIP in our rotation and a nice WHIP right now at 1.14. If he can manage to miss the big inning, he will be good. The good news is he hasn’t been walking anyone. 11 K-0 BB in 12.1 IP is good. They need to stick with him this year in the rotation.

[Ronnie Dobbs]

He settled in very well and was hitting mid 90s in the 7th

Leave him alone and let’s see what we got.

This is the correct answer. That's what this year should be for. Did everyone forget that? We have to see what we have got in these guys.

Yea, Libertore has had a couple of big blow up innings against RHH. He's looked pretty decent otherwise. He has to figure out how to get RHH out. He may never be as high celling as we thought when we got him, but he can be a good rotation piece.

It's not these young guys we should be giving up on, it's guys like Mikolas and Matz.

[JDW]

He settled in very well and was hitting mid 90s in the 7th

Leave him alone and let’s see what we got.

+1

[Chubbs0910]

I only caught the 5th inning on but I thought he looked alright.

His problem is he has 0 demeanor on the mound. Hitters are ways too comfortable. Give him a little Hrabosky and you'd have something.

[cardz357]

I don't think anyone expected him to start off the season throwing like a top SP.
He's still young and will need time to improve and fine tune things to become a dependable starter. I think it's the right decision giving him the chance to become a solid starter that we need for the future.

[blackinkbiz]

I disagree. And I didn't think I'd say that. Libby's been about as good as you could hope for our #5

Name me all the teams that have 5th starters with 5.84 eras that start a full year. No a near 6 era is not as good as you can hope for from a 5th starter. Good grief. Bit would rank as bottim 3 in the league most years. Plenty of teams have 5th starters with sub 5 eras

If these are the numbers after 20-30 starts, I may come around to your way of thinking because as has been mentioned- he is good in the pen. I want to see if he can be good as a starter, and now is the time to see. I think he can be. If so, he is much more valuable as a starter.

You really need to see more? Last night was his 26th MLB start spread over 4 seasons. He's been awful the majority of them and it's always the same thing: prone to the big inning or two.

On the other hand, he's a LH force out of the pen. I'd be beyond p*ssed if I were McGreevy.

[Futuregm2]

I disagree. And I didn't think I'd say that. Libby's been about as good as you could hope for our #5

Name me all the teams that have 5th starters with 5.84 eras that start a full year. No a near 6 era is not as good as you can hope for from a 5th starter. Good grief. Bit would rank as bottim 3 in the league most years. Plenty of teams have 5th starters with sub 5 eras

If these are the numbers after 20-30 starts, I may come around to your way of thinking because as has been mentioned- he is good in the pen. I want to see if he can be good as a starter, and now is the time to see. I think he can be. If so, he is much more valuable as a starter.

You really need to see more? Last night was his 26th MLB start spread over 4 seasons. He's been awful the majority of them and it's always the same thing: prone to the big inning or two.

On the other hand, he's a LH force out of the pen. I'd be beyond p*ssed if I were McGreevy.

McGreevy should be (upset) at Mikolas, who has had the 2nd worst ERA in baseball the last 2 years and is off to another wonderful start with an 11.25 ERA and 2.00 WHIP.

It’s a reset year. Starting Libby makes sense, starting Mikolas doesn’t.

[redbird1.2.3.4]

Libby needs to be in the rotation the whole year. Sink or swim. MM needs to be DFA'd and just move on. You throw 81 pitches in less than three innings and only miss two bats? Holy [shirt]

[Chubbs0910]

Libby needs to be in the rotation the whole year. Sink or swim. MM needs to be DFA'd and just move on. You throw 81 pitches in less than three innings and only miss two bats? Holy [shirt]

Yeah that is crazy. I think his mechanics are too vanilla, with no deception and little movement on the fastball.

[sikeston bulldog2]

Literally, Mo is an idiot. How many times does he have to have Liberatore in the starting rotation and fail before he accepts that he has more value in the BP? I mean WTF Gus?

Is Mo trying to completely destroy his value? Still if it's between him and Mikolas... we'll good knowing you lizard man, don't let the door hit your (bleep) on the way out.

What is a starting pitcher anymore? Five innings max most times out. Surely the can maximize their talents four four plus innings.

[renostl]

I disagree. And I didn't think I'd say that. Libby's been about as good as you could hope for our #5

Name me all the teams that have 5th starters with 5.84 eras that start a full year. No a near 6 era is not as good as you can hope for from a 5th starter. Good grief. Bit would rank as bottim 3 in the league most years. Plenty of teams have 5th starters with sub 5 eras

If these are the numbers after 20-30 starts, I may come around to your way of thinking because as has been mentioned- he is good in the pen. I want to see if he can be good as a starter, and now is the time to see. I think he can be. If so, he is much more valuable as a starter.

You really need to see more? Last night was his 26th MLB start spread over 4 seasons. He's been awful the majority of them and it's always the same thing: prone to the big inning or two.

On the other hand, he's a LH force out of the pen. I'd be beyond p*ssed if I were McGreevy.

Shouldn't be.
What you would be doing gets paid.
He see's Pallante, Libs, even Fedde getting a shot after struggling before, while pushing Matz to the curb.

And the contracts of Gray and Miles all while being the next guy up. You should sleep well vs being p*d
all while making $2.8 million.

[ecleme22]

Literally, Mo is an idiot. How many times does he have to have Liberatore in the starting rotation and fail before he accepts that he has more value in the BP? I mean WTF Gus?

Is Mo trying to completely destroy his value? Still if it's between him and Mikolas... we'll good knowing you lizard man, don't let the door hit your (bleep) on the way out.

At this point I would rather see Matz and McGreevy starting than Mikolas and Lib.

Matz over Liberatore is goofy AF.

You have always been for Lib as starter and this is his 4th year falling at it. He is better in the pen. You are goody AF thinking he is going to be a good starter. Liberatore had career 5.79 ERA coming into tonight and it went up after tonight. Matz has career 4.35ERA and in 2023 started 17 games with 4.04ERA. This is a lost season and they already talked about having Matz as a starter. If Matz is a starter and performs as he can they can flip him at the deadline.

This is the first year hes getting a legitimate chance to start

He has gotten plenty of chances as a starter. Ask Pallante....an org shouldn't have to put a pitcher in the OD rotation and give them a 4-month tryout.

That being said though, Libby has done pretty well so far in 2025 and I'm in favor of keeping him in the rotation for now.

[rockondlouie]

Unless Libby finds a way (and he hasn't in 194.66 innings) to get right handed hitters out at a higher success rate, then he's going to struggle as a starter when opposing Managers stack their lineups w/seven, eight or even nine righthanded hitters.

Libby career vs Righthanded hitters:
602 RH Hitters
.296 .366 .509 .875

Libby 2025 vs Righthanded hitters:
41 RH Hitters
.342 .342 .488 .829

Libby 2024 vs Righthanded hitters:
220 RH Hitters
.263 .344 .479 .823

[An Old Friend]

Literally, Mo is an idiot. How many times does he have to have Liberatore in the starting rotation and fail before he accepts that he has more value in the BP? I mean WTF Gus?

Is Mo trying to completely destroy his value? Still if it's between him and Mikolas... we'll good knowing you lizard man, don't let the door hit your (bleep) on the way out.

11 strikeouts, 0 walks, 2.36 FIP / 2.54 xFIP through 2 starts.

Yeah, he should get a long leash.

Tied to the doghouse.

Back to the pen with him. He ain't got it. Not the make up nor the stuff for repeated looks by a line up.

Not many lefties amount to much. So not a big shocker. Yet, he can carve himself out a solid career as mid reliever / spot starter. And at the end a Choate role. Come in to face that one batter. Walk him, give up a hit, maybe hit him and back to the bench. A good gig if you can get it. I'm too old or I would apply. Also, not a lefty.

Yo Daze… how are we looking on this?

[thetank2]

Literally, Mo is an idiot. How many times does he have to have Liberatore in the starting rotation and fail before he accepts that he has more value in the BP? I mean WTF Gus?

Is Mo trying to completely destroy his value? Still if it's between him and Mikolas... we'll good knowing you lizard man, don't let the door hit your (bleep) on the way out.

Richie? Are you a pitching coach?