Liberatore is not a SP

[CardsBest]

Literally, Mo is an idiot. How many times does he have to have Liberatore in the starting rotation and fail before he accepts that he has more value in the BP? I mean WTF Gus?

Is Mo trying to completely destroy his value? Still if it's between him and Mikolas... we'll good knowing you lizard man, don't let the door hit your (bleep) on the way out.

At this point I would rather see Matz and McGreevy starting than Mikolas and Lib.

[An Old Friend]

Literally, Mo is an idiot. How many times does he have to have Liberatore in the starting rotation and fail before he accepts that he has more value in the BP? I mean WTF Gus?

Is Mo trying to completely destroy his value? Still if it's between him and Mikolas... we'll good knowing you lizard man, don't let the door hit your (bleep) on the way out.

At this point I would rather see Matz and McGreevy starting than Mikolas and Lib.

Matz over Liberatore is goofy AF.

[woofy25]

Literally, Mo is an idiot. How many times does he have to have Liberatore in the starting rotation and fail before he accepts that he has more value in the BP? I mean WTF Gus?

Is Mo trying to completely destroy his value? Still if it's between him and Mikolas... we'll good knowing you lizard man, don't let the door hit your (bleep) on the way out.

At this point I would rather see Matz and McGreevy starting than Mikolas and Lib.

After two starts. Ok

[blackinkbiz]

If you don't care about winning and are willing to accept a 100 loss season, then sure, might as well as give Libby yet another shot.

[Dazepster]

Literally, Mo is an idiot. How many times does he have to have Liberatore in the starting rotation and fail before he accepts that he has more value in the BP? I mean WTF Gus?

Is Mo trying to completely destroy his value? Still if it's between him and Mikolas... we'll good knowing you lizard man, don't let the door hit your (bleep) on the way out.

11 strikeouts, 0 walks, 2.36 FIP / 2.54 xFIP through 2 starts.

Yeah, he should get a long leash.

Tied to the doghouse.

Back to the pen with him. He ain't got it. Not the make up nor the stuff for repeated looks by a line up.

Not many lefties amount to much. So not a big shocker. Yet, he can carve himself out a solid career as mid reliever / spot starter. And at the end a Choate role. Come in to face that one batter. Walk him, give up a hit, maybe hit him and back to the bench. A good gig if you can get it. I'm too old or I would apply. Also, not a lefty.

[11WSChamps]

Literally, Mo is an idiot. How many times does he have to have Liberatore in the starting rotation and fail before he accepts that he has more value in the BP? I mean WTF Gus?

Is Mo trying to completely destroy his value? Still if it's between him and Mikolas... we'll good knowing you lizard man, don't let the door hit your (bleep) on the way out.

11 strikeouts, 0 walks, 2.36 FIP / 2.54 xFIP through 2 starts.

Yeah, he should get a long leash.

Tied to the doghouse.

Back to the pen with him. He ain't got it. Not the make up nor the stuff for repeated looks by a line up.

Not many lefties amount to much. So not a big shocker. Yet, he can carve himself out a solid career as mid reliever / spot starter. And at the end a Choate role. Come in to face that one batter. Walk him, give up a hit, maybe hit him and back to the bench. A good gig if you can get it. I'm too old or I would apply. Also, not a lefty.

Except you have to face three batters now.

[Wattage]

I disagree. And I didn't think I'd say that. Libby's been about as good as you could hope for our #5

Name me all the teams that have 5th starters with 5.84 eras that start a full year. No a near 6 era is not as good as you can hope for from a 5th starter. Good grief. Bit would rank as bottim 3 in the league most years. Plenty of teams have 5th starters with sub 5 eras

[Ozziesfan41]

I disagree. And I didn't think I'd say that. Libby's been about as good as you could hope for our #5

Name me all the teams that have 5th starters with 5.84 eras that start a full year. No a near 6 era is not as good as you can hope for from a 5th starter. Good grief. Bit would rank as bottim 3 in the league most years. Plenty of teams have 5th starters with sub 5 eras

It’s two starts lol

[Wattage]

I disagree. And I didn't think I'd say that. Libby's been about as good as you could hope for our #5

Name me all the teams that have 5th starters with 5.84 eras that start a full year. No a near 6 era is not as good as you can hope for from a 5th starter. Good grief. Bit would rank as bottim 3 in the league most years. Plenty of teams have 5th starters with sub 5 eras

It’s two starts lol

Thats fine. But sayijg thaz 5.84 era is as good as you can hope from a 5th starter is absolutely a ridiculous statement. I said nothing about how i thought lubby would finish year

[An Old Friend]

I disagree. And I didn't think I'd say that. Libby's been about as good as you could hope for our #5

Name me all the teams that have 5th starters with 5.84 eras that start a full year. No a near 6 era is not as good as you can hope for from a 5th starter. Good grief. Bit would rank as bottim 3 in the league most years. Plenty of teams have 5th starters with sub 5 eras

Judging a pitcher by their ERA after two starts is nonsensical.

[Cusecards]

He absolutely should be starting this year. We need to give him every opportunity to see if he can start. If after an extended chance he is not succeeding he can always go back to the bullpen. He has actually pitched a lot of good innings this year as a starter, but has had the two hiccup innings. Part of the learning experience.

You people and your overreactions to things are really lame. Look up the first couple of years for several very good starting pitchers in history and you will see many struggles. Tom Glavine was considered a bust by many Braves fans when he has a terrible year before he started his streak of 20 win seasons. There are many examples of this. Young pitchers sometimes take time to develop especially lefties.

Soon Mikalas should be shelved and McGreevey should be up and then Fedde can be moved in July and Matthews can come up. It is the proper plan for this year.

+1
If you claim that the team “isn’t destined to go anywhere” this year or even next then why overreact to games in early April.
Don’t get me wrong....I’m not drinking the kool-aid but let’s wait and see what unfolds?

[Dazepster]

Literally, Mo is an idiot. How many times does he have to have Liberatore in the starting rotation and fail before he accepts that he has more value in the BP? I mean WTF Gus?

Is Mo trying to completely destroy his value? Still if it's between him and Mikolas... we'll good knowing you lizard man, don't let the door hit your (bleep) on the way out.

11 strikeouts, 0 walks, 2.36 FIP / 2.54 xFIP through 2 starts.

Yeah, he should get a long leash.

Tied to the doghouse.

Back to the pen with him. He ain't got it. Not the make up nor the stuff for repeated looks by a line up.

Not many lefties amount to much. So not a big shocker. Yet, he can carve himself out a solid career as mid reliever / spot starter. And at the end a Choate role. Come in to face that one batter. Walk him, give up a hit, maybe hit him and back to the bench. A good gig if you can get it. I'm too old or I would apply. Also, not a lefty.

Except you have to face three batters now.

Yeah, that's a problem.

So, he may have to retire a bit earlier. He will be alright. Lol

[Wattage]

I disagree. And I didn't think I'd say that. Libby's been about as good as you could hope for our #5

Name me all the teams that have 5th starters with 5.84 eras that start a full year. No a near 6 era is not as good as you can hope for from a 5th starter. Good grief. Bit would rank as bottim 3 in the league most years. Plenty of teams have 5th starters with sub 5 eras

Judging a pitcher by their ERA after two starts is nonsensical.

Im not judging him from 2 starts. Im judging the statement that "this is all and the best you can expect from a 5th starter" statement that i replied to.

If you want to argue this is a short sample soze and he deserves an extended look since competing isnt the goal this year but developing youth, im fine with that.

But saying thats this is as good as youncan hopenfor from a 5th starter is still a nonsensical statement. You are arguing a completely different point that i wasnt arguing.

[Ozziesfan41]

I hope he gets 30 starts they jerked his and many other pitchers development around by jerking them between rotation and bullpen. The cardinals aren’t going anywhere give him 30 starts see what happens. He gave up 3 in 6 his first start and 4 in 6 1/3 tonight should have just given up the 4 but dumb oli happened. Most of the ones who are screaming to pull him after two starts will be the same ones screaming about how stupid the cardinals are for trading him and how they don’t know how to recognize their own talent if they trade him and he has a few good starts for another team

[CardsBest]

Literally, Mo is an idiot. How many times does he have to have Liberatore in the starting rotation and fail before he accepts that he has more value in the BP? I mean WTF Gus?

Is Mo trying to completely destroy his value? Still if it's between him and Mikolas... we'll good knowing you lizard man, don't let the door hit your (bleep) on the way out.

At this point I would rather see Matz and McGreevy starting than Mikolas and Lib.

Matz over Liberatore is goofy AF.

You have always been for Lib as starter and this is his 4th year falling at it. He is better in the pen. You are goody AF thinking he is going to be a good starter. Liberatore had career 5.79 ERA coming into tonight and it went up after tonight. Matz has career 4.35ERA and in 2023 started 17 games with 4.04ERA. This is a lost season and they already talked about having Matz as a starter. If Matz is a starter and performs as he can they can flip him at the deadline.

[Ozziesfan41]

Literally, Mo is an idiot. How many times does he have to have Liberatore in the starting rotation and fail before he accepts that he has more value in the BP? I mean WTF Gus?

Is Mo trying to completely destroy his value? Still if it's between him and Mikolas... we'll good knowing you lizard man, don't let the door hit your (bleep) on the way out.

At this point I would rather see Matz and McGreevy starting than Mikolas and Lib.

Matz over Liberatore is goofy AF.

You have always been for Lib as starter and this is his 4th year falling at it. He is better in the pen. You are goody AF thinking he is going to be a good starter. Liberatore had career 5.79 ERA coming into tonight and it went up after tonight. Matz has career 4.35ERA and in 2023 started 17 games with 4.04ERA. This is a lost season and they already talked about having Matz as a starter. If Matz is a starter and performs as he can they can flip him at the deadline.

This is the first year hes getting a legitimate chance to start