Save This Season, Fire The Marmot NOW

[Ozziesfan41]

Keeping an incompetent manager to manage the team isn’t part of the solution it’s part of the problem. Sure a good manager will still have the same players but at least it’s getting the ball rolling in the right direction. Keeping an incompetent manager doesn’t help at all. It’s weird people would even say hey keep the bad manger because a new manager will have the same players if that’s true no manager should ever be fired because the new manager gets the same players

[Viking29]

It seems the minute he had the problem with Oneil, then had him traded, it went straight downhill like they don't want to play for him. 3 extra inning losses so far to become losers. The division was being handed to them if they could have won those games=pothetic.

[jcgmoi]

"Pothetic". Love it.

At a glance the Cards lost today primarily because Helsley walked the house. How could Marmol have avoided that?

[riff raff]

"Pothetic". Love it.

At a glance the Cards lost today primarily because Helsley walked the house. How could Marmol have avoided that?

By leaving Maton in to finish the game

[Banner29]

"Pothetic". Love it.

At a glance the Cards lost today primarily because Helsley walked the house. How could Marmol have avoided that?

He couldn’t have. This was on Helsley

That said. Oli needs to be fired AF

[cardinalsfever44]

"Pothetic". Love it.

At a glance the Cards lost today primarily because Helsley walked the house. How could Marmol have avoided that?

By leaving Maton in to finish the game

Haha. Genius!

Hindsight managing at its finest.

#RiffRaff4Manager

[riff raff]

"Pothetic". Love it.

At a glance the Cards lost today primarily because Helsley walked the house. How could Marmol have avoided that?

By leaving Maton in to finish the game

Haha. Genius!

20/20 managing at its finest.

#RiffRaff4Manager

Whatever. Maton was razor sharp and threw hardly any pitches. Oli overmanages a lot.

[cardinalsfever44]

"Pothetic". Love it.

At a glance the Cards lost today primarily because Helsley walked the house. How could Marmol have avoided that?

By leaving Maton in to finish the game

Haha. Genius!

20/20 managing at its finest.

#RiffRaff4Manager

Whatever. Maton was razor sharp and threw hardly any pitches. Oli overmanages a lot.

So your managerial decision is to NOT pitch your closer, who is one of the best in MLB, in a 4-2 lead in Boston?

I think you should apply to be an MLB manager ASAP. Seriously. Absolute genius in the making.

[blackinkbiz]

"Pothetic". Love it.

At a glance the Cards lost today primarily because Helsley walked the house. How could Marmol have avoided that?

By replacing Contreras (who is clearly lost at the plate) with someone who can actually make contact with the ball, thus scoring more runs, thus not needing Helsley to close out a 2-run lead.

Anything BUT moving the league's biggest rally killer into the 3-hole!

EDIT- also, how about pulling Helsley after his 2nd or 3rd walk and saving him for Game 2 when he might actually have it?

[Melville]

Keeping an incompetent manager to manage the team isn’t part of the solution it’s part of the problem. Sure a good manager will still have the same players but at least it’s getting the ball rolling in the right direction. Keeping an incompetent manager doesn’t help at all. It’s weird people would even say hey keep the bad manger because a new manager will have the same players if that’s true no manager should ever be fired because the new manager gets the same players

Solid post.
The Marmot is a bad manager.
Zero doubt.
And you make the salient point - a good manager can get the ball rolling in the right direction.
Case in point.
1-0 lead, 1 out, Scott on 3B and Walker on 2B.
Mootbaar- with one of the fastest runners in MLB 90 feet from another run - needs only a ground ball in play anywhere other than straight back to the pitcher.
Instead, with a huge uppercut swing, he hits an easy pop-up to the SS.
2 outs - Boston out of danger.
Poor game awareness, poor situational approach.
And yes, that is where a quality manager can make a difference over the course of a full season.

[riff raff]

"Pothetic". Love it.

At a glance the Cards lost today primarily because Helsley walked the house. How could Marmol have avoided that?

By leaving Maton in to finish the game

Haha. Genius!

20/20 managing at its finest.

#RiffRaff4Manager

Whatever. Maton was razor sharp and threw hardly any pitches. Oli overmanages a lot.

So your managerial decision is to NOT pitch your closer, who is one of the best in MLB, in a 4-2 lead in Boston?

I think you should apply to be an MLB manager ASAP. Seriously. Absolute genius in the making.

Not under the circumstances. I would have ridden the hot hand. You can defend Oli all you want but he does dumb stuff all the time.
Why is he trying to sacrifice bunt with Scott? I mean that was just dumb.

[Ozziesfan41]

"Pothetic". Love it.

At a glance the Cards lost today primarily because Helsley walked the house. How could Marmol have avoided that?

By leaving Maton in to finish the game

Haha. Genius!

20/20 managing at its finest.

#RiffRaff4Manager

Whatever. Maton was razor sharp and threw hardly any pitches. Oli overmanages a lot.

So your managerial decision is to NOT pitch your closer, who is one of the best in MLB, in a 4-2 lead in Boston?

I think you should apply to be an MLB manager ASAP. Seriously. Absolute genius in the making.

It’s not that crazy of an idea. It’s doubtful he would have used maton in both games he certainty wouldnt have used helsely in both and if he would have used maton in the second game it would have been to close instead of helsely so why not just let maton Finish this one and save helsely for the second? In double headers you can’t just paint by numbers which is the only way oli can win.

[cardinalsfever44]

"Pothetic". Love it.

At a glance the Cards lost today primarily because Helsley walked the house. How could Marmol have avoided that?

By leaving Maton in to finish the game

Haha. Genius!

20/20 managing at its finest.

#RiffRaff4Manager

Whatever. Maton was razor sharp and threw hardly any pitches. Oli overmanages a lot.

So your managerial decision is to NOT pitch your closer, who is one of the best in MLB, in a 4-2 lead in Boston?

I think you should apply to be an MLB manager ASAP. Seriously. Absolute genius in the making.

It’s not that crazy of an idea. It’s doubtful he would have used maton in both games he certainty wouldnt have used helsely in both and if he would have used maton in the second game it would have been to close instead of helsely so why not just let maton Finish this one? In double headers you have to sometimes you can’t just paint by numbers which is the only way oli can win.

There isn't a single coach in the history of MLB that doesn't bring Helsley in with a 4-2 lead in the 9th. Just stop.

[riff raff]

"Pothetic". Love it.

At a glance the Cards lost today primarily because Helsley walked the house. How could Marmol have avoided that?

By leaving Maton in to finish the game

Haha. Genius!

20/20 managing at its finest.

#RiffRaff4Manager

Whatever. Maton was razor sharp and threw hardly any pitches. Oli overmanages a lot.

So your managerial decision is to NOT pitch your closer, who is one of the best in MLB, in a 4-2 lead in Boston?

I think you should apply to be an MLB manager ASAP. Seriously. Absolute genius in the making.

It’s not that crazy of an idea. It’s doubtful he would have used maton in both games he certainty wouldnt have used helsely in both and if he would have used maton in the second game it would have been to close instead of helsely so why not just let maton Finish this one? In double headers you have to sometimes you can’t just paint by numbers which is the only way oli can win.

There isn't a single coach in the history of MLB that doesn't bring Helsley in with a 4-2 lead in the 9th. Just stop.

He effectively burned his best relievers in one fell swoop. Who closes tonight? Roycroft you're up.

[Ozziesfan41]

"Pothetic". Love it.

At a glance the Cards lost today primarily because Helsley walked the house. How could Marmol have avoided that?

By leaving Maton in to finish the game

Haha. Genius!

20/20 managing at its finest.

#RiffRaff4Manager

Whatever. Maton was razor sharp and threw hardly any pitches. Oli overmanages a lot.

So your managerial decision is to NOT pitch your closer, who is one of the best in MLB, in a 4-2 lead in Boston?

I think you should apply to be an MLB manager ASAP. Seriously. Absolute genius in the making.

It’s not that crazy of an idea. It’s doubtful he would have used maton in both games he certainty wouldnt have used helsely in both and if he would have used maton in the second game it would have been to close instead of helsely so why not just let maton Finish this one? In double headers you have to sometimes you can’t just paint by numbers which is the only way oli can win.

There isn't a single coach in the history of MLB that doesn't bring Helsley in with a 4-2 lead in the 9th. Just stop.

lol you can’t speak for every coach in the history of MLB just stop. You’re a paint by numbers guy also cool

[cardinalsfever44]

"Pothetic". Love it.

At a glance the Cards lost today primarily because Helsley walked the house. How could Marmol have avoided that?

By leaving Maton in to finish the game

Haha. Genius!

20/20 managing at its finest.

#RiffRaff4Manager

Whatever. Maton was razor sharp and threw hardly any pitches. Oli overmanages a lot.

So your managerial decision is to NOT pitch your closer, who is one of the best in MLB, in a 4-2 lead in Boston?

I think you should apply to be an MLB manager ASAP. Seriously. Absolute genius in the making.

It’s not that crazy of an idea. It’s doubtful he would have used maton in both games he certainty wouldnt have used helsely in both and if he would have used maton in the second game it would have been to close instead of helsely so why not just let maton Finish this one? In double headers you have to sometimes you can’t just paint by numbers which is the only way oli can win.

There isn't a single coach in the history of MLB that doesn't bring Helsley in with a 4-2 lead in the 9th. Just stop.

He effectively burned his best relievers in one fell swoop. Who closes tonight? Roycroft you're up.

Maton threw 6 pitches.

Just for the record, you are still sticking with the "Phil Maton should have closed this game out" narrative.

My god this place is so freaking dumb.