Faulk only reason last night was close. Playoffs- I'd sit him for Tucker

[blackinkbiz]

Okay not the ONLY reason as the Blues played terrible most of the game, but...

Justin Faulk added to his team worst -6 rating on the year by recording another -2 last night.

-The Pens first goal, Faulk stood there and watched as Rust skated right by him to score with no more than a halfhearted hook slowing him down
-The Pens PP goal that got them back into the game, the PP occured beause Faulk took a mental mistake high sticking penalty at, yet again, a crucial time
-The GTG, Faulk tripped over the ice and as he got his footing drifted too far away from the crease, leaving the rookie with enough room to build a house and also, score a goal.

I've just seen enough. It's nothing personal. As a pragmatist, if Faulk reverted to his near-Norris form I'd be screaming for him to be out there every night, every PP, every shift. But that player is a distant memory.

At this point, I almost want him to keep failing in the regular season, not out of any kind of spite, but in hopes the freakin' coaching staff will finally see what the rest of us are seeing. Faulk is the biggest liability on this team.

Tucker has really grown on me. He's much better and smarter than I thought. When Colton comes back, I sure hope they either sit Justin down and tell him he has to improve, or just give Tucker the spot if he keeps playing solid.

[Natl20]

I said the same last night when my friend asked me who sits when Parayko comes back.

This was after his screw up on the 1st goal and his multiple passes to the red wings on Tuesday that almost cost us that game.

[Army's Mom]

Faulk is playing much tougher minutes than before, and excelling in them actually. The eye-test suffers from confirmation bias, the advanced stats don't lie. Sure, he's a team worst +/-, but that's because he's facing tougher minutes.

Since the break, he has 13 pts.

On the season, he's 7th leaguewide in fewest GA per 60 minutes at 5v5 at 1.76 (Broberg leads the league).

1 Philip Broberg 1.34
2 Mikey Anderson 1.47
3 Jonas Siegenthaler1.56
4 Drew Doughty 1.68
5 Brayden McNabb 1.71
6 Erik Cernak 1.72
7 Justin Faulk 1.76
8 Vladislav Gavrikov 1.76
9 Chris Tanev 1.82
10 MacKenzie Weegar 1.82

He hasn't been perfect, and he's made some definite mistakes. But Parayko hopefully coming back sooner than later should lessen some of those. IMO, he's gone from one of my favorite whipping boys earlier in the year to holding his own during the streak.

[blackinkbiz]

Faulk is playing much tougher minutes than before, and excelling in them actually. The eye-test suffers from confirmation bias, the advanced stats don't lie. Sure, he's a team worst +/-, but that's because he's facing tougher minutes.

Since the break, he has 13 pts.

On the season, he's 7th leaguewide in fewest GA per 60 minutes at 5v5 at 1.76 (Broberg leads the league).

1 Philip Broberg 1.34
2 Mikey Anderson 1.47
3 Jonas Siegenthaler1.56
4 Drew Doughty 1.68
5 Brayden McNabb 1.71
6 Erik Cernak 1.72
7 Justin Faulk 1.76
8 Vladislav Gavrikov 1.76
9 Chris Tanev 1.82
10 MacKenzie Weegar 1.82

He hasn't been perfect, and he's made some definite mistakes. But Parayko hopefully coming back sooner than later should lessen some of those. IMO, he's gone from one of my favorite whipping boys earlier in the year to holding his own during the streak.

I do realize he's been asked to step up and play a bigger role with Colton out, which is why, at the very least, I'd hope the team has a sit down with him.

Because it doesn't matter how good you are for 59 minutes of the game, if you have a propensity to completely lose your sh*t and cost the team big during that final minute.

And that's what he's done repeatedly this season.

[STL fan in MN]

Faulk hasn’t been great lately but I bet he’d be just fine once Parayko is back and Faulk can be slotted properly in the lineup. Faulk had by far the most ice time last night. He should be around 3rd or 4th in D ice time. Father Time is clearly catching up to him but get his back to the 2nd pairing and I bet he’s fine.

[TheJackBurton]

No. Tucker isn't remotely close to being able to play unsheltered top 4 minutes.

[callitwhatyouwant]

Faulk is playing much tougher minutes than before, and excelling in them actually. The eye-test suffers from confirmation bias, the advanced stats don't lie. Sure, he's a team worst +/-, but that's because he's facing tougher minutes.

Since the break, he has 13 pts.

On the season, he's 7th leaguewide in fewest GA per 60 minutes at 5v5 at 1.76 (Broberg leads the league).

1 Philip Broberg 1.34
2 Mikey Anderson 1.47
3 Jonas Siegenthaler1.56
4 Drew Doughty 1.68
5 Brayden McNabb 1.71
6 Erik Cernak 1.72
7 Justin Faulk 1.76
8 Vladislav Gavrikov 1.76
9 Chris Tanev 1.82
10 MacKenzie Weegar 1.82

He hasn't been perfect, and he's made some definite mistakes. But Parayko hopefully coming back sooner than later should lessen some of those. IMO, he's gone from one of my favorite whipping boys earlier in the year to holding his own during the streak.

People have chosen Faulk to be the whipping boy, and its completely unjustified. Over the last 20 games he has been playing excellent hockey. In fact, he literally was rated as a top 3 RD last week by the league. But fans like you said suffer from confirmation bias. They see 1 bad play by a player they already have a preconceived notion of being bad, and they extrapolate that it must have happened 10 times. Faulk is playing excellent lately. And the Blues wouldn't be doing what they are doing without him and Leddy. Again Faulk had to go over 25 minutes yesterday. He's 2nd on the team in average minutes for the year. And he's leading the team in minutes since Parayko went down. People need to ease up off him.

[dhsux]

Faulk hasn’t been great lately but I bet he’d be just fine once Parayko is back and Faulk can be slotted properly in the lineup. Faulk had by far the most ice time last night. He should be around 3rd or 4th in D ice time. Father Time is clearly catching up to him but get his back to the 2nd pairing and I bet he’s fine.

Good point but his play has dropped off in general. I guess I'll trust Monty on this kind of decision.

I'm curious if any of you think Broberg belongs on the PP. Again, opposite handed but Faulk has not been making any hay on that special team either.

[callitwhatyouwant]

Faulk hasn’t been great lately but I bet he’d be just fine once Parayko is back and Faulk can be slotted properly in the lineup. Faulk had by far the most ice time last night. He should be around 3rd or 4th in D ice time. Father Time is clearly catching up to him but get his back to the 2nd pairing and I bet he’s fine.

Good point but his play has dropped off in general. I guess I'll trust Monty on this kind of decision.

I'm curious if any of you think Broberg belongs on the PP. Again, opposite handed but Faulk has not been making any hay on that special team either.

What specifically is Faulk doing that is making you guys upset? HIs offense has dropped pretty significantly this season compared to the last 4, but he is playing better defense then he was the last 2 seasons. Is it possible he's filling a specific role monty is asking him to do because we acquired guys like Fowler and broberg and Parayko has been playing better offense this season? I think it was Vitale who talked about this (maybe rivers), but you have one defensemen who will jump up in the play more than the other and in a perfect world those two will take turns so they can keep their legs. Maybe Faulks being asked to drop a bit when Broberg goes? I'm not some hockey guru, but Faulk's defense is more stifling than it's been since 3 years ago.

[STL fan in MN]

Faulk hasn’t been great lately but I bet he’d be just fine once Parayko is back and Faulk can be slotted properly in the lineup. Faulk had by far the most ice time last night. He should be around 3rd or 4th in D ice time. Father Time is clearly catching up to him but get his back to the 2nd pairing and I bet he’s fine.

Good point but his play has dropped off in general. I guess I'll trust Monty on this kind of decision.

I'm curious if any of you think Broberg belongs on the PP. Again, opposite handed but Faulk has not been making any hay on that special team either.

I can only assume Faulk is on the PP for his handedness as this team severely lacks righties. But I’d try Leddy or Broberg some on the PP too as yeah, Faulk hasn’t been very effective there.

[blackinkbiz]

Faulk is playing much tougher minutes than before, and excelling in them actually. The eye-test suffers from confirmation bias, the advanced stats don't lie. Sure, he's a team worst +/-, but that's because he's facing tougher minutes.

Since the break, he has 13 pts.

On the season, he's 7th leaguewide in fewest GA per 60 minutes at 5v5 at 1.76 (Broberg leads the league).

1 Philip Broberg 1.34
2 Mikey Anderson 1.47
3 Jonas Siegenthaler1.56
4 Drew Doughty 1.68
5 Brayden McNabb 1.71
6 Erik Cernak 1.72
7 Justin Faulk 1.76
8 Vladislav Gavrikov 1.76
9 Chris Tanev 1.82
10 MacKenzie Weegar 1.82

He hasn't been perfect, and he's made some definite mistakes. But Parayko hopefully coming back sooner than later should lessen some of those. IMO, he's gone from one of my favorite whipping boys earlier in the year to holding his own during the streak.

People have chosen Faulk to be the whipping boy, and its completely unjustified. Over the last 20 games he has been playing excellent hockey. In fact, he literally was rated as a top 3 RD last week by the league. But fans like you said suffer from confirmation bias. They see 1 bad play by a player they already have a preconceived notion of being bad, and they extrapolate that it must have happened 10 times. Faulk is playing excellent lately. And the Blues wouldn't be doing what they are doing without him and Leddy. Again Faulk had to go over 25 minutes yesterday. He's 2nd on the team in average minutes for the year. And he's leading the team in minutes since Parayko went down. People need to ease up off him.

Haha!

This is the same argument of every Faulk apologist. He could be responsible for the oppo scoring 5 goals in one game and the response would be, "Yeah, but he was out there more than other defensemen!" I don't pick on "whipping boys." It goes against my pragmatic nature. Faulk has earned every bit of critique he receieves.

When he took that shot that hit Jarry in the jugular last night, I was hoping he'd get another shot to bury one in the net. I WANT him to succeed and play like the guy he used to be. But he fails at that time and time again.

He makes several okay plays per game but he's making too many crucial mistakes at crucial times. If no one else will, maybe I'll show up to a game earily and have a little talk with him myself.

[callitwhatyouwant]

Faulk is playing much tougher minutes than before, and excelling in them actually. The eye-test suffers from confirmation bias, the advanced stats don't lie. Sure, he's a team worst +/-, but that's because he's facing tougher minutes.

Since the break, he has 13 pts.

On the season, he's 7th leaguewide in fewest GA per 60 minutes at 5v5 at 1.76 (Broberg leads the league).

1 Philip Broberg 1.34
2 Mikey Anderson 1.47
3 Jonas Siegenthaler1.56
4 Drew Doughty 1.68
5 Brayden McNabb 1.71
6 Erik Cernak 1.72
7 Justin Faulk 1.76
8 Vladislav Gavrikov 1.76
9 Chris Tanev 1.82
10 MacKenzie Weegar 1.82

He hasn't been perfect, and he's made some definite mistakes. But Parayko hopefully coming back sooner than later should lessen some of those. IMO, he's gone from one of my favorite whipping boys earlier in the year to holding his own during the streak.

People have chosen Faulk to be the whipping boy, and its completely unjustified. Over the last 20 games he has been playing excellent hockey. In fact, he literally was rated as a top 3 RD last week by the league. But fans like you said suffer from confirmation bias. They see 1 bad play by a player they already have a preconceived notion of being bad, and they extrapolate that it must have happened 10 times. Faulk is playing excellent lately. And the Blues wouldn't be doing what they are doing without him and Leddy. Again Faulk had to go over 25 minutes yesterday. He's 2nd on the team in average minutes for the year. And he's leading the team in minutes since Parayko went down. People need to ease up off him.

Haha!

This is the same argument of every Faulk apologist. He could be responsible for the oppo scoring 5 goals in one game and the response would be, "Yeah, but he was out there more than other defensemen!" I don't pick on "whipping boys." It goes against my pragmatic nature. Faulk has earned every bit of critique he receieves.

When he took that shot that hit Jarry in the jugular last night, I was hoping he'd get another shot to bury one in the net. I WANT him to succeed and play like the guy he used to be. But he fails at that time and time again.

He makes several okay plays per game but he's making too many crucial mistakes at crucial times. If no one else will, maybe I'll show up to a game earily and have a little talk with him myself.

Hey I get it, we all have our favorites and least favorites. Faulk a few seasons ago was one of my favorites. I'm not saying he's that guy anymore. But how quickly we forget that he literally saved 2 taps in the last game. The guy is making plays. Him and Leddy saved 3 goals the other day. That Detroit game should have been a L. But Faulk was a prime reason it wasn't.

[dhsux]

Faulk is playing much tougher minutes than before, and excelling in them actually. The eye-test suffers from confirmation bias, the advanced stats don't lie. Sure, he's a team worst +/-, but that's because he's facing tougher minutes.

Since the break, he has 13 pts.

On the season, he's 7th leaguewide in fewest GA per 60 minutes at 5v5 at 1.76 (Broberg leads the league).

1 Philip Broberg 1.34
2 Mikey Anderson 1.47
3 Jonas Siegenthaler1.56
4 Drew Doughty 1.68
5 Brayden McNabb 1.71
6 Erik Cernak 1.72
7 Justin Faulk 1.76
8 Vladislav Gavrikov 1.76
9 Chris Tanev 1.82
10 MacKenzie Weegar 1.82

He hasn't been perfect, and he's made some definite mistakes. But Parayko hopefully coming back sooner than later should lessen some of those. IMO, he's gone from one of my favorite whipping boys earlier in the year to holding his own during the streak.

People have chosen Faulk to be the whipping boy, and its completely unjustified. Over the last 20 games he has been playing excellent hockey. In fact, he literally was rated as a top 3 RD last week by the league. But fans like you said suffer from confirmation bias. They see 1 bad play by a player they already have a preconceived notion of being bad, and they extrapolate that it must have happened 10 times. Faulk is playing excellent lately. And the Blues wouldn't be doing what they are doing without him and Leddy. Again Faulk had to go over 25 minutes yesterday. He's 2nd on the team in average minutes for the year. And he's leading the team in minutes since Parayko went down. People need to ease up off him.

Haha!

This is the same argument of every Faulk apologist. He could be responsible for the oppo scoring 5 goals in one game and the response would be, "Yeah, but he was out there more than other defensemen!" I don't pick on "whipping boys." It goes against my pragmatic nature. Faulk has earned every bit of critique he receieves.

When he took that shot that hit Jarry in the jugular last night, I was hoping he'd get another shot to bury one in the net. I WANT him to succeed and play like the guy he used to be. But he fails at that time and time again.

He makes several okay plays per game but he's making too many crucial mistakes at crucial times. If no one else will, maybe I'll show up to a game earily and have a little talk with him myself.

I'm going to agree....all players make mistakes but Faulk's seem to come at critical times and for the most part uncharacteristic of himself....ie dumb.

[blackinkbiz]

What specifically is Faulk doing that is making you guys upset? HIs offense has dropped pretty significantly this season compared to the last 4, but he is playing better defense then he was the last 2 seasons. Is it possible he's filling a specific role monty is asking him to do because we acquired guys like Fowler and broberg and Parayko has been playing better offense this season? I think it was Vitale who talked about this (maybe rivers), but you have one defensemen who will jump up in the play more than the other and in a perfect world those two will take turns so they can keep their legs. Maybe Faulks being asked to drop a bit when Broberg goes? I'm not some hockey guru, but Faulk's defense is more stifling than it's been since 3 years ago.

Okay, I've played hockey for more than 25 years, and my primary position was right-handed defenseman. I prefer the left side for one-timers and I use a fairly flat blade (Modano curve) so pulling pucks off the boards on my backhand isn't that difficult. Never played pro, but played ice leagues with guys like Courtnall and played roller with Perry Turnbull, Rob Ramage, Maroon and I held my own against them.

I guess I'm as close to a non-pro guru as you can be.

What specifically is Faulk doing that's making me upset? Look at the original post and watch the replays.

Goal 1: Rust walks right by Faulk as Justin just looks at him and Rust scores
Goal 2: Faulk takes a dumb high sticking penalty, giving Pens the PP that got them back in the game
Goal 4: Faulk trips over the ice and drifts out of position which allowed the rookie all the room in the world to accept the pass and swing straight through the crease for an easy goal.

That's just one game! He's doing this almost on a nightly basis!

He's been trrrrble!

[2forDiving]

Faulk is playing much tougher minutes than before, and excelling in them actually. The eye-test suffers from confirmation bias, the advanced stats don't lie. Sure, he's a team worst +/-, but that's because he's facing tougher minutes.

Since the break, he has 13 pts.

On the season, he's 7th leaguewide in fewest GA per 60 minutes at 5v5 at 1.76 (Broberg leads the league).

1 Philip Broberg 1.34
2 Mikey Anderson 1.47
3 Jonas Siegenthaler1.56
4 Drew Doughty 1.68
5 Brayden McNabb 1.71
6 Erik Cernak 1.72
7 Justin Faulk 1.76
8 Vladislav Gavrikov 1.76
9 Chris Tanev 1.82
10 MacKenzie Weegar 1.82

He hasn't been perfect, and he's made some definite mistakes. But Parayko hopefully coming back sooner than later should lessen some of those. IMO, he's gone from one of my favorite whipping boys earlier in the year to holding his own during the streak.

People have chosen Faulk to be the whipping boy, and its completely unjustified. Over the last 20 games he has been playing excellent hockey. In fact, he literally was rated as a top 3 RD last week by the league. But fans like you said suffer from confirmation bias. They see 1 bad play by a player they already have a preconceived notion of being bad, and they extrapolate that it must have happened 10 times. Faulk is playing excellent lately. And the Blues wouldn't be doing what they are doing without him and Leddy. Again Faulk had to go over 25 minutes yesterday. He's 2nd on the team in average minutes for the year. And he's leading the team in minutes since Parayko went down. People need to ease up off him.

Haha!

This is the same argument of every Faulk apologist. He could be responsible for the oppo scoring 5 goals in one game and the response would be, "Yeah, but he was out there more than other defensemen!" I don't pick on "whipping boys." It goes against my pragmatic nature. Faulk has earned every bit of critique he receieves.

When he took that shot that hit Jarry in the jugular last night, I was hoping he'd get another shot to bury one in the net. I WANT him to succeed and play like the guy he used to be. But he fails at that time and time again.

He makes several okay plays per game but he's making too many crucial mistakes at crucial times. If no one else will, maybe I'll show up to a game earily and have a little talk with him myself.

I'm going to agree....all players make mistakes but Faulk's seem to come at critical times and for the most part uncharacteristic of himself....ie dumb.

They’ve almost all been at 5 on 6 at the worst possible times. Like you mentioned previously, give Broberg his PP mins and save Faulk’s mins so he is stronger in the final minutes. He is just making really bad mental mistakes late in games, so why not expand Broberg’s role, while keeping Faulk fresher? They say that’s why they don’t use Parayko on the PP (to keep his mins manageable), so since Faulk has assumed 55’s role, apply the same logic.

[TBone]

They’ve almost all been at 5 on 6 at the worst possible times. .

The anti-Mike Hoffman who always seemed to score on 6 on 5