These last 2 extra inning losses ring familiar

[Baseball Savant]

So last night Romero spit the bit in 10th inning and tonight Fernandez in 10th and Roycroft in -11th (Oli’s new toy) added their own mess

All walked hitters that scored in extra innings.

These last two losses reveal the pen weakness (beyond Helsley) and Oli’s incompetence navigating extra innings.

You need more swing and miss from a bullpen to compete in extra innings.

[ICCFIM2]

So last night Romero spit the bit in 10th inning and tonight Fernandez in 10th and Roycroft in -11th (Oli’s new toy) added their own mess

All walked hitters that scored in extra innings.

These last two losses reveal the pen weakness (beyond Helsley) and Oli’s incompetence navigating extra innings.

You need more swing and miss from a bullpen to compete in extra innings.

Maybe it makes more sense to use Helsley in the top of the tenth. In terms of what we have other than Helsley, this year is about going with the young guys...

[Baseball Savant]

Angels rolled out a Bunch of young pitchers from their pen with game on line, with strikeout stuff too and they attacked hitters.

MIght wanna get more K's in that pen. cause you need them in extra innings.

[Strummer Jones]

So last night Romero spit the bit in 10th inning and tonight Fernandez in 10th and Roycroft in -11th (Oli’s new toy) added their own mess

All walked hitters that scored in extra innings.

These last two losses reveal the pen weakness (beyond Helsley) and Oli’s incompetence navigating extra innings.

You need more swing and miss from a bullpen to compete in extra innings.

Fernandez averaged 9.6 K/9 last year. Roycroft averaged 8.7 K/9--which was better than Liberatore, Romero, and Kittredge. In fact, among relief pitchers with over 25 games, he was third best on the team. A team with a danged good bullpen last year. Fourth best if you want to include the Ghost of Gio Gallegos and his 21 games.

The lack of strike-out stuff wasn't the problem here. Sometimes you just don't have your stuff. It happens. Last night it happened in extra innings.

[Futuregm2]

So last night Romero spit the bit in 10th inning and tonight Fernandez in 10th and Roycroft in -11th (Oli’s new toy) added their own mess

All walked hitters that scored in extra innings.

These last two losses reveal the pen weakness (beyond Helsley) and Oli’s incompetence navigating extra innings.

You need more swing and miss from a bullpen to compete in extra innings.

Fernandez averaged 9.6 K/9 last year. Roycroft averaged 8.7 K/9--which was better than Liberatore, Romero, and Kittredge. In fact, among relief pitchers with over 25 games, he was third best on the team. A team with a danged good bullpen last year. Fourth best if you want to include the Ghost of Gio Gallegos and his 21 games.

The lack of strike-out stuff wasn't the problem here. Sometimes you just don't have your stuff. It happens. Last night it happened in extra innings.

The problem is still there though. They may have been our best relievers other than Helsley but Fernandez was 117th in K/9 among relievers with 20 innings and Roycroft was 178th. If you spread relievers evenly among the 30 teams they would be 3rd best on one of the worst teams and 5th best on one of the worst teams. They are 2nd and 3rd on us. And we all know that isn’t how it works being spread evenly.

[BrummerStealsHome]

It seems to me that if you are going to bring your closer into a tie game, do it in the 10th rather than the 9th. Why? Because starting with a runner in 2nd raises the importance of the strikeout.

[rockondlouie]

So last night Romero spit the bit in 10th inning and tonight Fernandez in 10th and Roycroft in -11th (Oli’s new toy) added their own mess

All walked hitters that scored in extra innings.

These last two losses reveal the pen weakness (beyond Helsley) and Oli’s incompetence navigating extra innings.

You need more swing and miss from a bullpen to compete in extra innings.

[Strummer Jones]

So last night Romero spit the bit in 10th inning and tonight Fernandez in 10th and Roycroft in -11th (Oli’s new toy) added their own mess

All walked hitters that scored in extra innings.

These last two losses reveal the pen weakness (beyond Helsley) and Oli’s incompetence navigating extra innings.

You need more swing and miss from a bullpen to compete in extra innings.

Fernandez averaged 9.6 K/9 last year. Roycroft averaged 8.7 K/9--which was better than Liberatore, Romero, and Kittredge. In fact, among relief pitchers with over 25 games, he was third best on the team. A team with a danged good bullpen last year. Fourth best if you want to include the Ghost of Gio Gallegos and his 21 games.

The lack of strike-out stuff wasn't the problem here. Sometimes you just don't have your stuff. It happens. Last night it happened in extra innings.

The problem is still there though. They may have been our best relievers other than Helsley but Fernandez was 117th in K/9 among relievers with 20 innings and Roycroft was 178th. If you spread relievers evenly among the 30 teams they would be 3rd best on one of the worst teams and 5th best on one of the worst teams. They are 2nd and 3rd on us. And we all know that isn’t how it works being spread evenly.

And how many in those rankings were barely ahead of those guys? Sure, you're going to have your guys with gaudy K/9 totals, but how many pitchers ahead of Fernandez had K/9 ratios of 9.7/9.8/9.9 numbers not appreciably higher. Same for Roycroft.

I also think it should be known that both of those guys had significantly higher k/9 than Emmanuel Clase, who had 47 saves, an ERA WELL under 1, was an all-star, 3rd in the AL Cy race, and got down ballot MVP support. His k/9 was well under what Roycroft got.

We're doing fine with our relief pitching and how many guys they K. We're 5 games in, neither of these guys have pitched even five innings yet.

[Futuregm2]

So last night Romero spit the bit in 10th inning and tonight Fernandez in 10th and Roycroft in -11th (Oli’s new toy) added their own mess

All walked hitters that scored in extra innings.

These last two losses reveal the pen weakness (beyond Helsley) and Oli’s incompetence navigating extra innings.

You need more swing and miss from a bullpen to compete in extra innings.

Fernandez averaged 9.6 K/9 last year. Roycroft averaged 8.7 K/9--which was better than Liberatore, Romero, and Kittredge. In fact, among relief pitchers with over 25 games, he was third best on the team. A team with a danged good bullpen last year. Fourth best if you want to include the Ghost of Gio Gallegos and his 21 games.

The lack of strike-out stuff wasn't the problem here. Sometimes you just don't have your stuff. It happens. Last night it happened in extra innings.

The problem is still there though. They may have been our best relievers other than Helsley but Fernandez was 117th in K/9 among relievers with 20 innings and Roycroft was 178th. If you spread relievers evenly among the 30 teams they would be 3rd best on one of the worst teams and 5th best on one of the worst teams. They are 2nd and 3rd on us. And we all know that isn’t how it works being spread evenly.

And how many in those rankings were barely ahead of those guys? Sure, you're going to have your guys with gaudy K/9 totals, but how many pitchers ahead of Fernandez had K/9 ratios of 9.7/9.8/9.9 numbers not appreciably higher. Same for Roycroft.

I also think it should be known that both of those guys had significantly higher k/9 than Emmanuel Clase, who had 47 saves, an ERA WELL under 1, was an all-star, 3rd in the AL Cy race, and got down ballot MVP support. His k/9 was well under what Roycroft got.

We're doing fine with our relief pitching and how many guys they K. We're 5 games in, neither of these guys have pitched even five innings yet.

70 were at least 10.65, or a full K/9 higher than Fernandez. Another 20 were at least 10. So there were 26 pitchers between Fernandez and 10 K/9.

Relievers in general are higher in K/9. The Cardinals relievers were 23rd in baseball in K/9 last year, so I’m not sure I would say we are doing “fine” there.

[Absolut]

What about the awful route victor scott 2 took on the triple?

[scoutyjones2]

So last night Romero spit the bit in 10th inning and tonight Fernandez in 10th and Roycroft in -11th (Oli’s new toy) added their own mess

All walked hitters that scored in extra innings.

These last two losses reveal the pen weakness (beyond Helsley) and Oli’s incompetence navigating extra innings.

You need more swing and miss from a bullpen to compete in extra innings.

How doesa manager navigate his relievers walking hitters? Asking for a friend...

[Bob39]

The home team especially just needs to start an extra inning by ignoring the runner on second as much as possible. If you can get to one out and he is still on second, then maybe you change your approach. What you really need to avoid is giving up two runs, and walking guys because you are being too fine is a good way to give up a crooked number.

[Strummer Jones]

So last night Romero spit the bit in 10th inning and tonight Fernandez in 10th and Roycroft in -11th (Oli’s new toy) added their own mess

All walked hitters that scored in extra innings.

These last two losses reveal the pen weakness (beyond Helsley) and Oli’s incompetence navigating extra innings.

You need more swing and miss from a bullpen to compete in extra innings.

Fernandez averaged 9.6 K/9 last year. Roycroft averaged 8.7 K/9--which was better than Liberatore, Romero, and Kittredge. In fact, among relief pitchers with over 25 games, he was third best on the team. A team with a danged good bullpen last year. Fourth best if you want to include the Ghost of Gio Gallegos and his 21 games.

The lack of strike-out stuff wasn't the problem here. Sometimes you just don't have your stuff. It happens. Last night it happened in extra innings.

The problem is still there though. They may have been our best relievers other than Helsley but Fernandez was 117th in K/9 among relievers with 20 innings and Roycroft was 178th. If you spread relievers evenly among the 30 teams they would be 3rd best on one of the worst teams and 5th best on one of the worst teams. They are 2nd and 3rd on us. And we all know that isn’t how it works being spread evenly.

And how many in those rankings were barely ahead of those guys? Sure, you're going to have your guys with gaudy K/9 totals, but how many pitchers ahead of Fernandez had K/9 ratios of 9.7/9.8/9.9 numbers not appreciably higher. Same for Roycroft.

I also think it should be known that both of those guys had significantly higher k/9 than Emmanuel Clase, who had 47 saves, an ERA WELL under 1, was an all-star, 3rd in the AL Cy race, and got down ballot MVP support. His k/9 was well under what Roycroft got.

We're doing fine with our relief pitching and how many guys they K. We're 5 games in, neither of these guys have pitched even five innings yet.

70 were at least 10.65, or a full K/9 higher than Fernandez. Another 20 were at least 10. So there were 26 pitchers between Fernandez and 10 K/9.

Relievers in general are higher in K/9. The Cardinals relievers were 23rd in baseball in K/9 last year, so I’m not sure I would say we are doing “fine” there.

So would you have liked for us to have gotten Craig Kimbrel? He was high on that list. How about Fernando Cruz? There's 10 guys alone in the top 30 of this list that had seasons EASILY worse than Fernandez, with ERA's at 4 and above. Some of them were well above 5. If you expand it out to the top sixty, there's 20 guys that had much worse seasons than Fernandez.

https://www.fangraphs.com/leaders/major ... geitems=30

I'm not worried about the bullpen. One bad game on April 1st ain't gonna change that. If this is still an issue into May, then we can talk.

[Dazepster]

So last night Romero spit the bit in 10th inning and tonight Fernandez in 10th and Roycroft in -11th (Oli’s new toy) added their own mess

All walked hitters that scored in extra innings.

These last two losses reveal the pen weakness (beyond Helsley) and Oli’s incompetence navigating extra innings.

You need more swing and miss from a bullpen to compete in extra innings.

How doesa manager navigate his relievers walking hitters? Asking for a friend...

There is no navigation to be had once you are in the ditch.

Throw strikes when you come out of the pen. And if not throwing strikes prior to coming out of the pen then you don't get brought out of the pen.

Come out of the pen and fail to throw strikes then you need to be replaced.

Further to that point..you come to the plate... Be prepared to swing at strikes and not simply watch pitches go right down the middle.

It is a Mindset that needs to be instilled from the Top Down. And there needs to be repercussions for failure to follow the script. Repercussions being a reduction in playing time and or opportunity.

This is The Pros. Put up or Get Out.

[hmoss859]

The home team especially just needs to start an extra inning by ignoring the runner on second as much as possible. If you can get to one out and he is still on second, then maybe you change your approach. What you really need to avoid is giving up two runs, and walking guys because you are being too fine is a good way to give up a crooked number.

Bingo walks in extra innings lead to cricket numbers

[Red7]

If the Cardinals lose in 9 without Helsley getting in, this place would go knucking futs. It should be pointed out that Helsley gave up a hit in the 9th Monday. Had that been the 10th a run would have scored.

It was set up for the Cardinals to walk it off in the B9 both nights and they failed to do so. At some point, the players bear the responsibility.