If the Blues do well in Playoffs, who looks Worse Army or ASOGG?

[-Blueski-]

My dream scenario...
The Blues do well, and Army leaves town, and I leave BluesTalk.

Well, one out of the three is in your control.

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If Blues do well in playoffs, who looks worse, Army or yours truly (ASOGG)?

Army wanted to trade away the Blues Captain at the trade deadline, and would have done so if Schenn had agreed to it. Seiously, what GM would trade away their Captain if they thought a CUP was even remotely possible?

If we do well in the Playoffs, will you all agree with me that Army has to go because of poor talent evaluation? You are stuck with me forever unfortunately.

Go Blues.

Army has stolen your lunch money and smacked his lips right in your face. Binnington as well. You should be embarrassed by your stupidity. I love the line about that in the movie "Flight of the Phoenix." The German guy trying to engineer the stranded bunch out of the desert says to Jimmy Stewart's character: "Mr. Towns, you behave as if stupidity were a virtue. Why is that?"

But many stupid people have big mouths. I have little doubt you will continue to show off your stupidity.

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Love the third person tactic.

I'm sure he wishes there was a third person he could be.

Clever.

[a smell of green grass]

Not one person has acknowledged that "Army did give up on the team in 2025" based on his attempting to trade Captain Schenn. That's OK. I'll keep pounding home the facts. I'm confident that there are some who find the truth refreshing.

The next questions are....
1. So how uncomfortable is Army getting with each WIN? He is looking worse and worse with each WIN.

2. Is the team happy to make Army look like a fool?

[Absolut]

Once is a stl legend. Will never buy his own beer in this town again. Brought us the impossible.

The other is Doug Armstrong.


In your mind.

[sdaltons]

If Blues do well in playoffs, who looks worse, Army or yours truly (ASOGG)?

Army wanted to trade away the Blues Captain at the trade deadline, and would have done so if Schenn had agreed to it. Seiously, what GM would trade away their Captain if they thought a CUP was even remotely possible?

If we do well in the Playoffs, will you all agree with me that Army has to go because of poor talent evaluation? You are stuck with me forever unfortunately.

Go Blues.

So if Army puts together a team capable of making a deep cup run when we were all expecting a few rebuilding years that to you is evidence of a lack of talent evaluation? Because he considered trading one player away it undoes the fact that he put the rest of the roster together? Seriously that's your point?

Insanity isn't it? The implication that if the Blues do well in the playoffs, Army may look worse ... ???

What is worse?
a) A GM that believes and publicly says that the team is great, and they flop.
b) A GM that believes and publicly says the team is a flop, and they do great.

I'll take A all day, every day. A GM that doesn't even know how good the talent is that he is sitting on is worthless.

Do you even understand what you wrote here?

[Mr Nice Guy]

If Blues do well in playoffs, who looks worse, Army or yours truly (ASOGG)?

Army wanted to trade away the Blues Captain at the trade deadline, and would have done so if Schenn had agreed to it. Seiously, what GM would trade away their Captain if they thought a CUP was even remotely possible?

If we do well in the Playoffs, will you all agree with me that Army has to go because of poor talent evaluation? You are stuck with me forever unfortunately.

Go Blues.

So if Army puts together a team capable of making a deep cup run when we were all expecting a few rebuilding years that to you is evidence of a lack of talent evaluation? Because he considered trading one player away it undoes the fact that he put the rest of the roster together? Seriously that's your point?

Insanity isn't it? The implication that if the Blues do well in the playoffs, Army may look worse ... ???

What is worse?
a) A GM that believes and publicly says that the team is great, and they flop.
b) A GM that believes and publicly says the team is a flop, and they do great.

I'll take A all day, every day. A GM that doesn't even know how good the talent is that he is sitting on is worthless.

Army never publicly said that the team was a flop. He knows there's talent there but thought it may not be ready for another year or so. Regardless give me the guy that puts together a talented roster capable of doing great. You actually would want a guy that can't identify talent but thinks his teams are great when they aren't. Seriously?

[Mr Nice Guy]

If Blues do well in playoffs, who looks worse, Army or yours truly (ASOGG)?

Army wanted to trade away the Blues Captain at the trade deadline, and would have done so if Schenn had agreed to it. Seiously, what GM would trade away their Captain if they thought a CUP was even remotely possible?

If we do well in the Playoffs, will you all agree with me that Army has to go because of poor talent evaluation? You are stuck with me forever unfortunately.

Go Blues.

So if Army puts together a team capable of making a deep cup run when we were all expecting a few rebuilding years that to you is evidence of a lack of talent evaluation? Because he considered trading one player away it undoes the fact that he put the rest of the roster together? Seriously that's your point?

Insanity isn't it? The implication that if the Blues do well in the playoffs, Army may look worse ... ???

What is worse?
a) A GM that believes and publicly says that the team is great, and they flop.
b) A GM that believes and publicly says the team is a flop, and they do great.

I'll take A all day, every day. A GM that doesn't even know how good the talent is that he is sitting on is worthless.

Do you even understand what you wrote here?

LOL I would rather the team I root for do bad as long as the GM is delusional & thinks they're good.

[schwartzwatch]

Nobody will be more positive than me if the facts point that way.

That said, I have been harsh regarding the team, and if they do well in the playoffs, I will leave you all to your good senses and sanity. I promise to leave BluesTalk forever, and just watch the games and shut up. I'm just a drag on this place if that's the case.

I have to recommend, however, that you demand the same from Army. If our GM can't see how good the team really is, and since he was ready to give up on them at the trade deadline, then his talent evaluation skills are not nearly sufficient.

My dream scenario...
The Blues do well, and Army leaves town, and I leave BluesTalk.

This is probably unconditional

[a smell of green grass]

If Blues do well in playoffs, who looks worse, Army or yours truly (ASOGG)?

Army wanted to trade away the Blues Captain at the trade deadline, and would have done so if Schenn had agreed to it. Seiously, what GM would trade away their Captain if they thought a CUP was even remotely possible?

If we do well in the Playoffs, will you all agree with me that Army has to go because of poor talent evaluation? You are stuck with me forever unfortunately.

Go Blues.

So if Army puts together a team capable of making a deep cup run when we were all expecting a few rebuilding years that to you is evidence of a lack of talent evaluation? Because he considered trading one player away it undoes the fact that he put the rest of the roster together? Seriously that's your point?

Insanity isn't it? The implication that if the Blues do well in the playoffs, Army may look worse ... ???

What is worse?
a) A GM that believes and publicly says that the team is great, and they flop.
b) A GM that believes and publicly says the team is a flop, and they do great.

I'll take A all day, every day. A GM that doesn't even know how good the talent is that he is sitting on is worthless.

Do you even understand what you wrote here?

Perfectly.

I don't want a GM that is clueless about the real level of talent on the team.
The very worst situation is having a GM that dismantles a winning team because he is clueless.

Can you name an example of a coach in NHL history that said at the trade deadline...

"Things aren't changing, so we have to get rid of the guys who have been here the longest...." And then the GM tries to trade the Captain despite a NTC... And then they go on to win the CUP? If the Blues win the CUP, it would be the biggest FU from the players to the GM in NHL history.

At the moment, the BLUES are winning, but the GM is losing face. That is a very bad long-term situation.

[netboy65]

Nobody will be more positive than me if the facts point that way.

That said, I have been harsh regarding the team, and if they do well in the playoffs, I will leave you all to your good senses and sanity. I promise to leave BluesTalk forever, and just watch the games and shut up. I'm just a drag on this place if that's the case.

I have to recommend, however, that you demand the same from Army. If our GM can't see how good the team really is, and since he was ready to give up on them at the trade deadline, then his talent evaluation skills are not nearly sufficient.

My dream scenario...
The Blues do well, and Army leaves town, and I leave BluesTalk.

This is probably unconditional

For the good of the board right?

[TheJackBurton]

Them saying they'll leave if the Blues "do well" reminds me of Trollin stating he would eat crow if Broberg "did well" but not offering any indication of what criteria would be used to determine how "well" he had done.

Basically allowing him to leave open whatever outcome for future twisting.

If Broberg gets 30 points, he would have needed 35. Or it needed to be +10 instead of +5.

If the Blues lose in the second round, it will have needed to be the 3rd, etc.

For the record...
I never thought Broberg would be bad. In fact, I assumed that he would be great. A team that drafted McDavid and Draisitl is VERY LIKELY to have more great draft talent.

If the Blues win more than 1 game in the playoffs, I will exit.

I also believed that Army DID try to trade Schenn, and many told me that I was crazy for believing that. Now we all know that it happened.

This attempted trade of Schenn by Army told you 2 things about Army...
1) He doesn't know talent -- IF THE BLUES DO WELL IN THE PLAYOFFS.
2) He is just fine with forcing a guy out with a NTC--even if he is the Captain. Army is ruthless, but he comes across as Mr Gentile...blowing kisses to players on the way out the door.

That's your proof a team is great at drafting?

[a smell of green grass]

Nobody will be more positive than me if the facts point that way.

That said, I have been harsh regarding the team, and if they do well in the playoffs, I will leave you all to your good senses and sanity. I promise to leave BluesTalk forever, and just watch the games and shut up. I'm just a drag on this place if that's the case.

I have to recommend, however, that you demand the same from Army. If our GM can't see how good the team really is, and since he was ready to give up on them at the trade deadline, then his talent evaluation skills are not nearly sufficient.

My dream scenario...
The Blues do well, and Army leaves town, and I leave BluesTalk.

This is probably unconditional

For the good of the board right?

Just settle down, guys. Don't kill the messenger. If you don't understand the messenger, or can't grasp the facts, just crawl off the ice to the other threads. Maybe the speed of the game more matches your skating over there.

[Mr Nice Guy]

If Blues do well in playoffs, who looks worse, Army or yours truly (ASOGG)?

Army wanted to trade away the Blues Captain at the trade deadline, and would have done so if Schenn had agreed to it. Seiously, what GM would trade away their Captain if they thought a CUP was even remotely possible?

If we do well in the Playoffs, will you all agree with me that Army has to go because of poor talent evaluation? You are stuck with me forever unfortunately.

Go Blues.

So if Army puts together a team capable of making a deep cup run when we were all expecting a few rebuilding years that to you is evidence of a lack of talent evaluation? Because he considered trading one player away it undoes the fact that he put the rest of the roster together? Seriously that's your point?

Insanity isn't it? The implication that if the Blues do well in the playoffs, Army may look worse ... ???

What is worse?
a) A GM that believes and publicly says that the team is great, and they flop.
b) A GM that believes and publicly says the team is a flop, and they do great.

I'll take A all day, every day. A GM that doesn't even know how good the talent is that he is sitting on is worthless.

Do you even understand what you wrote here?

Perfectly.

I don't want a GM that is clueless about the real level of talent on the team.
The very worst situation is having a GM that dismantles a winning team because he is clueless.

Can you name an example of a coach in NHL history that said at the trade deadline...

"Things aren't changing, so we have to get rid of the guys who have been here the longest...." And then the GM tries to trade the Captain despite a NTC... And then they go on to win the CUP? If the Blues win the CUP, it would be the biggest FU from the players to the GM in NHL history.

At the moment, the BLUES are winning, but the GM is losing face. That is a very bad long-term situation.

If GM A has a bad team & thinks it's good & GM B has a good team but thinks it's bad & dismantles the team to where it's bad what exactly is the difference? At the end you have a bad team either way. If it makes you feel better about your GM having positive vibes on his way yo building a bad team OK, but you still have a bad team.

At the end of the day if the Blues do well literally no one but you will say "but he wanted to trade away his captain". They'll just look at all the additions he made as positives that helped create a good team. You're the only person (possibly in the world) who thinks Army is "losing face" as his team is surging.

[TheJackBurton]

Not one person has acknowledged that "Army did give up on the team in 2025" based on his attempting to trade Captain Schenn. That's OK. I'll keep pounding home the facts. I'm confident that there are some who find the truth refreshing.

The next questions are....
1. So how uncomfortable is Army getting with each WIN? He is looking worse and worse with each WIN.

2. Is the team happy to make Army look like a fool?

Being open to listening to offers that may greatly improve your team is in fact not giving up on the team, it is the exact opposite of that.

What it is, is him being an open minded GM who if the opportunity arises to make his team better, and if it doesn't meet his ask then he stays pat and lets the team show him he was right.

That's exactly what happened here. THE TEAM HE BUILT is making a run for the playoffs and has quickly become a very feared team to play in a playoff round.

[Mr Nice Guy]

Not one person has acknowledged that "Army did give up on the team in 2025" based on his attempting to trade Captain Schenn. That's OK. I'll keep pounding home the facts. I'm confident that there are some who find the truth refreshing.

The next questions are....
1. So how uncomfortable is Army getting with each WIN? He is looking worse and worse with each WIN.

2. Is the team happy to make Army look like a fool?

Being open to listening to offers that may greatly improve your team is in fact not giving up on the team, it is the exact opposite of that.

What it is, is him being an open minded GM who if the opportunity arises to make his team better, and if it doesn't meet his ask then he stays pat and lets the team show him he was right.

That's exactly what happened here. THE TEAM HE BUILT is making a run for the playoffs and has quickly become a very feared team to play in a playoff round.

That's another thing the OP seems to be inferring that Army had a trade in place & Schenn vetoed it. I never heard that Schenn trade talks ever really got serious. Honestly it would have been malpractice not to at least see what the market for Schenn was, especially given where we were in the standings at the time.